Audyssey MultEQ Editor App

[dramitpc]

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[elangoas]

Frequency response curve is plotted for every speaker. Attached only one image for reference. Unfortunately no crossovers can be selected on this app.

I guess your set-up is 5.1.4.. Sub-woofer after correction seems to be much better after Audyssey..I was referring to the crossover you have set after calibration as i see all speakers are satellites..

 

[Murlidher]

hi elango - i am hoping you would write a dummy - how to understand these graphs and correct it further doc so that more people can use it

 

[elangoas]

hi elango - i am hoping you would write a dummy - how to understand these graphs and correct it further doc so that more people can use it

Sure Murali.. Am yet to take measurements again with the mobile app.. Will share the steps..Me too am amateur with these graphs, but will try..

 

[elangoas]

Ok.. I tried calibrating my system using the "Audyssey Multi EQ Editor app"..

You will need to purchase this app from playstore (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dmholdings.AudysseyMultEq&hl=en)for Rs 1,600/- as mentioned in earlier post..

I tried to capture detailed steps using mobile screenshots..

Note : App works only with Denon X x300 series models & Marantz SR xx11, NR 1607 models only..

Make sure both the AVR & mobile is connected to same wi-fi network..

I had hardwired the AVR..

Here are detailed steps for reference..

- On opening the mobile app, you are prompted with below screen.. (I had already completed the calibration when i took the screen shots) Hence you find "17jun2017" with a freq response graph.. Else it would display "Create new"..

- Multi EQ detects the AVR connected to Network..(In my case it is Denon X 3300)..

- You must have completed the speaker config/layout before using this app.. So it displays the connected speakers.. Once you have verified it, click "Next" on the top right hand corner..

- it prompts you to connect the microphone.. Once done, click "Next"..

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- App displays on how to measure from seating area.. 8 point calibration..

- Some information reqd when placing the microphone.. My listening position is very close to the rear wall, so kept it 50 cms away from rear wall..I didn't use 3 rows of calibration points as shown in picture.. Used two rows..
First row with 1,2,3,4,5 & second row with 6,7,8 calibration position..

- I closed all windows in my living room, to cut down the ambient noise..

- final screen before the calibration begins..

- i had dual subwoofer, so it starts checking them and then the chirps start to play on all the speakers..

- The above step is repeated for all the 8 calibration points..

Note : App might prompt some errors after the 1st round of calibration.. It had two errors displayed when calibrating..
- Front Left speaker reversed polarity..But i had connected the speaker correctly, so i skipped the error and continued with the rest of calibration process.. So please check your error and act accordingly..
- The 2nd error was with surround speaker, but i couldn't recollect it now..

Hope this helps..

 

[elangoas]

Here is the in-room response captured thru the app..

Speaker Detection Results..

I measures the tip of the microphone from the floor, it was 38.5 inches off the floor..

I have a 5.2.2 layout, running front heights..

Room Correction Results - Before & After..(Note : Untreated, living room..)

Fronts - Klipsch RP 160 M (BS), slightly tilted towards listening position (On-axis position to mic, may be slightly missing due to less toe in)

Center - Klipsch RP 440 C (The center speaker height was lower than Mic, so i guess off-axis)

Surrounds & Front heights - Onida Satellite speakers..

Surrounds were not aimed to listening position, due to lack of speaker brackets..(off axis position to mic)

Front heights were fairly aimed to listening position, had brackets for them..(Fairly on-axis to mic position)

Subwoofer - Dual Taga Harmony Platinum SW V 10.2

Target Sound options - I think you can choose between the two.. But i didn't alter anything, just left it as it is..
Are these Audyssey Refernce & Flat curves..

Midrange compensation - It was enabled by default.. From the notes section of the app, Audyssey has mentioned that this adjustment makes the sound bright..

Curve Editor - Didn't edit anything..

MultiEq Filter Frequency Range - I guess these are the filters applied to each speaker location..

Any inputs to improve the results are appreciated..

 

[elangoas]

I have sub's on front corners of the room, tried moving the dual subwoofers few inches away from back & side walls and did the 8 point calibration again..

Each sub is now positioned 18cms from front wall & side walls.. earlier it was very close to walls..

From the graphs below (green), the dip has reduced slightly..

Today calibration results on the top of the picture.. Bottom results are old one..

The subwoofer's db values have dropped by half by moving few inches from boundaries..

I will try moving them further away from boundaries and check if the green graphs get any better with minimal dip...

 

[elangoas]

Here is very slightly improved response, after moving the subs.. Think 30Hz at -5db is the lowest in my room..

 

[captainrizal]

Hi Elonga,
Thanks for sharing your results. I tried to calibrate my Marantz SR5011 with Audyssey MultEQ Editor app but somewhat not satisfied with the performance after the calibration.
Did you export the settings after the calibration to the AVR?
After calibration, app detected Sub very far. My sub is located at about 9.5 ft from listening position but app detected at 24 ft.
Also the levels were set to very low db. All in negative.
After carrying out calibration with the Audyssey App i tweaked the settings manually. However, the sub is still very loud and boomy. The app had set sub to -12.0 db. I changed it to -3.5db. I increased the levels of other speakers as well. Did you change any settings manually after calibration with the app?

 

[elangoas]

Hi Elonga,
Thanks for sharing your results. I tried to calibrate my Marantz SR5011 with Audyssey MultEQ Editor app but somewhat not satisfied with the performance after the calibration.
Did you export the settings after the calibration to the AVR?

Yes.. I did export, but didn't make any changes to the results..

After calibration, app detected Sub very far. My sub is located at about 9.5 ft from listening position but app detected at 24 ft.
Also the levels were set to very low db. All in negative.
After carrying out calibration with the Audyssey App i tweaked the settings manually. However, the sub is still very loud and boomy. The app had set sub to -12.0 db. I changed it to -3.5db

From what i have read, here are few reasons why the app has set your sub level to -12db..

- Initially Audyssey, would ping the sub and check the volume before calibration begins.. If you had missed that, try to reduce the volume on the sub (or) set it to Audyssey recommended level before you begin the calibration..

- Either your sub positioning to the room boundaries (walls) are close.. I had also positioned my subs, too close to the walls and Audyssey set it to -12db.. Try moving it away from the walls a lil further and re-run the calibration..

- Hope your rest of the speaker distances were correct..

I increased the levels of other speakers as well. Did you change any settings manually after calibration with the app?

Nope.. I didn't modify speaker level after Audyssey calibration, except the crossover which i raised to 120Hz for fronts & center..

 

[captainrizal]

Thanks for quick reply. I think you may be right regarding the sub. My sub is cramped between left floor standing speaker and HT rack. My HT room is small to move my sub. I think I will reduce my sub level further to -8db or -10 db and check the sound.
Another thing I noticed the centre speaker volume was set to very low. I could barely hear the dialogues coming from centre speaker. I increased centre speaker to +3db.
What settings were you using before calibrating with the app?
What is target sound option? Did you use the 2nd option?



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[elangoas]

Thanks for quick reply. I think you may be right regarding the sub. My sub is cramped between left floor standing speaker and HT rack.

I think I will reduce my sub level further to -8db or -10 db and check the sound.

Try positioning the sub in a place where it at-least have some space to breathe to the sides & from the front wall.. I would suggest you to do the calibration again and check for results, tweak if necessary..

My HT room is small to move my sub.

From the speaker distance, i guess you room should be at-least 10 - 15 feet long, width of 11 - 12 feet..

Another thing I noticed the centre speaker volume was set to very low. I could barely hear the dialogues coming from centre speaker. I increased centre speaker to +3db.

I think, your center values are fine at -3.5 db.. Try engaging Audyssey "Flat" curve, with Dynamic EQ & Vol.. Check if this improves your center channel without tweaking the levels..

What settings were you using before calibrating with the app?

I had calibrated the AVR without the app, so used that setting..

What is target sound option? Did you use the 2nd option?

I didn't use custom target curve's.. Didn't try as am naive to it.. Will give a try at some-point and share my observation in this thread..

For Movies thru PC, STB & you tube videos - i use Audyssey Flat curve, Dynamic EQ (0 db)& Dynamic Vol (light) Engaged..

For stereo - i use Audyssey Flat curve with Dynamic EQ (0 db) only..

Try to measure you ear height in your listening position and then place the mic at the same height during 8 point calibration.. I did the same..You might get better results..

 

[captainrizal]

Try positioning the sub in a place where it at-least have some space to breathe to the sides & from the front wall.. I would suggest you to do the calibration again and check for results, tweak if necessary..







From the speaker distance, i guess you room should be at-least 10 - 15 feet long, width of 11 - 12 feet..







I think, your center values are fine at -3.5 db.. Try engaging Audyssey "Flat" curve, with Dynamic EQ & Vol.. Check if this improves your center channel without tweaking the levels..







I had calibrated the AVR without the app, so used that setting..







I didn't use custom target curve's.. Didn't try as am naive to it.. Will give a try at some-point and share my observation in this thread..



For Movies thru PC, STB & you tube videos - i use Audyssey Flat curve, Dynamic EQ (0 db)& Dynamic Vol (light) Engaged..



For stereo - i use Audyssey Flat curve with Dynamic EQ (0 db) only..



Try to measure you ear height in your listening position and then place the mic at the same height during 8 point calibration.. I did the same..You might get better results..

Thanks. My room is 12 ft x 14 ft. I moved both front FS speakers a little and made some space for sub. Then re calibrated with the app.
The app still detected sub at 21.5ft and set level at -12.5 db. All other speakers distances detected correctly. But front speakers were set as large. I changed to small then increased centre channel to make dialogues more audible and clear.
Did you change crossover settings? I changed crossover settings of all speakers. Please see the photos.
Rest left to same settings as calibrated by Auddessy.
As suggested by you, changed to Auddessy flat curve with Dynamic Eq and light volume.

The result is much better now but still bit boomy to my likings. I reduced bass in sub settings still it is boomy.


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[elangoas]

The app still detected sub at 21.5ft and set level at -12.5 db. All other speakers distances detected correctly.

The sub results (-12db) seem very strange.. Approx, how much of volume did you set on the subwoofer before calibration ? While calibration, Audyssey would have checked sub volume and prompted you to turn it down.. Did you reduce the volume on the sub?

But front speakers were set as large. I changed to small then increased centre channel to make dialogues more audible and clear.

You can make it to 80Hz for all speakers..

Did you change crossover settings? I changed crossover settings of all speakers. Please see the photos. Rest left to same settings as calibrated by Auddessy.

Yes.. I changed the crossover manually to 120 Hz for the fronts & center only.. Surrounds/Front heights were set to 200/250hz by Audyssey.. So didn't change them..

As suggested by you, changed to Auddessy flat curve with Dynamic Eq and light volume. The result is much better now but still bit boomy to my likings. I reduced bass in sub settings still it is boomy.

Hope under bass management, the subwoofer mode is set to LFE only..

 

[captainrizal]

The sub results (-12db) seem very strange.. Approx, how much of volume did you set on the subwoofer before calibration ? While calibration, Audyssey would have checked sub volume and prompted you to turn it down.. Did you reduce the volume on the sub?

You can make it to 80Hz for all speakers.

Yes.. I changed the crossover manually to 120 Hz for the fronts & center only.. Surrounds/Front heights were set to 200/250hz by Audyssey.. So didn't change them.
Hope under bass management, the subwoofer mode is set to LFE only..

Thanks for quick reply.
No i did not reduce the volume locally at the back of the sub. The sub woofer is set to half volume (12 O'clock) locally at the back of sub. Audyssey did not prompt to reduce the volume.
But it seems you too got sub result of -10db. Did you get sub result less than that?
Yeah I changed crossover to 80Hz for all speakers. Audyssey had set to 40Hz for all speakers and set front speakers as large. As far as I know all speakers should be set to small even if you have large FS speakers in the front.
Yeah under bass management the subwoofer mode is set to LFE only.

 

[elangoas]

The sub woofer is set to half volume (12 O'clock) locally at the back of sub. Audyssey did not prompt to reduce the volume.

You have moved only the FS speaker to make space for sub.. I think you should move the sub atleast little..

If moving the subs isn't an option, try reducing the volume on the sub to 9'o Clock position and try once more..This might bring the sub values to reasonable levels..

But it seems you too got sub result of -10db. Did you get sub result less than that?

-10db was when i placed it too close to the walls.. But after i moved them 18 cms from the front wall & side walls, it is now -5/-7 db..

Yeah I changed crossover to 80Hz for all speakers. Audyssey had set to 40Hz for all speakers and set front speakers as large. As far as I know all speakers should be set to small even if you have large FS speakers in the front. Yeah under bass management the subwoofer mode is set to LFE only.

Rest of the settings are correct..

 

[captainrizal]

You have moved only the FS speaker to make space for sub.. I think you should move the sub atleast little..



If moving the subs isn't an option, try reducing the volume on the sub to 9'o Clock position and try once more..This might bring the sub values to reasonable levels..







-10db was when i placed it too close to the walls.. But after i moved them 18 cms from the front wall & side walls, it is now -5/-7 db..







Rest of the settings are correct..

Hi! I had moved sub also with the FS but now after reducing sub vol to 9 O'clock position I got much better and realistic result for sub. It is detected at 6.5 ft but actually it's little more than that. Even level is showing -6.5db which is acceptable. But the bass was too low for action movies. I tested with movies like Furious 7 and Superman V Batman. Bass was hardly audible. I had to increase sub levels in speaker settings but left sub knob at 9 O'clock position. Then tweaked crossovers and Auddessy settings. Now the sound is much better. Do let me know if more tweaking required.

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[elangoas]

Hi! I had moved sub also with the FS but now after reducing sub vol to 9 O'clock position I got much better and realistic result for sub. It is detected at 6.5 ft but actually it's little more than that. Even level is showing -6.5db which is acceptable. But the bass was too low for action movies. I tested with movies like Furious 7 and Superman V Batman. Bass was hardly audible. I had to increase sub levels in speaker settings but left sub knob at 9 O'clock position. Then tweaked crossovers and Auddessy settings. Now the sound is much better. Do let me know if more tweaking required.

sub level looks better than it was earlier... Keep the crossover on the sub to full & phase to 0..

What are your surrounds & surround back speaker?

 

[captainrizal]

sub level looks better than it was earlier... Keep the crossover on the sub to full & phase to 0..



What are your surrounds & surround back speaker?

Okay I will try with that settings for sub tomorrow. Surround & surround back are at 80 Hz crossover frequencies though they were set at 40 Hz by Auddessy. Distances and levels are kept same as set Auddessy.


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[elangoas]

Okay I will try with that settings for sub tomorrow. Surround & surround back are at 80 Hz crossover frequencies though they were set at 40 Hz by Auddessy. Distances and levels are kept same as set Auddessy.

Nope.. I was referring to which brand & model of speakers you were using for surrounds & surrounds back..