Buying Western Classical Music

Ajay, Joshua, thatguy and others,

I have decided to learn to play the piano. I am hoping to master it within a few weeks and after that, Sax my friend, here I come !!! I have a friend who teaches many instruments including the piano. I have to try and convince him to take me in as a student. Making the time for it will be a problem though. Not because of a lack of time but due to my reluctance to sacrifice Rum & Coke time for Piano. I wonder if my friend will allow me to do both.

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Searching for a good introduction to Igor Stravinsky is relatively easy, as there is an excellent box set by Pierre Boulez. I seldom look beyond Pierre Boulez for recordings of music by twentieth century composers. I admire his cool, unassuming and unruffled air. His lack of histrionics and dramatic gestures. The clarity, precision and sense of discovery that he brings to the work he is conducting.

Personally I consider the Boulez recordings of major works by Debussy, Stravinsky, Bartok, Schoenberg, Webern and Berg pretty much definitive. I could live with them without feeling the urge to buy any other version. The icing on the cake is that ALL his recordings are of audiophile quality. Pick any recording from any Pierre Boulez box set and it would be good enough to be used as a reference CD for HI FI auditions. I had to pay through the nose for all the Boulez CD's I have bought. But currently two of his finest sets, Boulez/Stravinsky and Boulez/Bartok, are available at decent prices from Amazon UK. The same boxes are being quoted for crazy, stratospheric prices on Amazon US!

Boulez conducts Stravinsky: Pierre Boulez: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Bartok: Pierre Boulez: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Today I placed an order for a 22CD set of Stravinsky from Sony Classical. The pricing and the reviews on Amazon made it an irresistible buy. Check out the reviews for details of the 22 CD's on this set as Amazon has not mentioned them. Most of the recordings have been conducted by Stravinsky himself. Therefore the price being quoted is absolutely amazing! Recently I have discovered that Sony Classical is offering great packaging, recordings and music at very affordable prices. Amazon UK is directly selling the Stravinsky set for (app) 22 pounds after VAT deduction. I opted to buy it from one of the other sellers on Amazon because it worked out even cheaper at 19.40 pounds, after including standard shipping. Every penny counts :)

Works of Igor Stravinsky: Igor Stravinsky: Amazon.co.uk: Music
 
A Classical Music is not only well known from western countries but the eastern like China has two famous concerto that is very well known for western orchestra, two beautiful works are called Butterfly Lovers composed by Chen Gang and He Zhanhao; another one is called Huang He Piano Concerto. I am not sure if you ever heard these beautiful composition.
 
A Classical Music is not only well known from western countries but the eastern like China has two famous concerto that is very well known for western orchestra, two beautiful works are called Butterfly Lovers composed by Chen Gang and He Zhanhao; another one is called Huang He Piano Concerto. I am not sure if you ever heard these beautiful composition.

Many countries of the world have an ancient tradition of classical music. Chinese opera originated thousands of years ago. Japan has an ancient tradition of classical music. India has one of the oldest and best traditions of classical music in the world.

There are two excellent threads on the forum for Indian and Carnatic classical music.
 
Searching for the best recordings of Sergei Prokofiev would be a long and complex affair as he was a prolific composer who composed music in multiple genres. At various times he lived and worked in Russia, France and the United States. He composed 15 operas, 9 ballets, 7 symphonies, 6 piano concertos, 2 violin concertos, 11 piano sonatas, 8 film scores and many choral works, songs, orchestral suites etc.

Among his best known works are:

Romeo And Juliet (ballet)
Cinderella (ballet)
The Love For 3 Oranges (opera)
War And Peace (opera)
Lieutenant Kije (film)
Alexander Nevsky (film)
Ivan The Terrible (film)
Symphonies 1-7
Piano Concertos 1-6
Violin Sonatas 1,2
Peter And The Wolf
Eugene Onegin

A Search for Prokofiev's recordings on Amazon brings up several conductors. Neeme Jarvi, Valery Gergiev, Claudio Abbado, Herbert Von Karajan, Lorin Maazel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Andre Previn and more. Romeo And Juliet conducted by Lorin Maazel or Valery Gergiev, and Lieutenant Kije/Alexander Nevsky by Claudio Abbado would be a good introduction to Prokofiev. For the symphonies both Neeme Jarvi and Valery Gergiev are good options.

Some good recordings to choose from:

Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet: The Cleveland Orchestra, Lorin Maazel, Sergei Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet (LSO / Gergiev): London Symphony Orchestra, Sergei Prokofiev, Valery Gergiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet: Kirov Orchestra, Valery Gergiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Complete Symphonies: Royal Scottish National Orchestra, Neeme Jarvi, Sergey Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: The Symphonies 1-7 Complete: Valery Gergiev, London Symphony Orchestra: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Symphonies no 1 & 5: Sergei Prokofiev, Herbert Von Karajan: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev - The Symphonies: Sergey Prokofiev, Dmitrji Kitajenko, Cologne Grzenich Orchestra, Grzenich-Orchester Koln: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Alexander Nevsky/Lieutenant Kij: Sergey Prokofiev, Claudio Abbado, London Symphony Chorus, London Symphony Orchestra, Elena Obraztsova: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: War And Peace: Philharmonia, Jarvi, Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Piano Concertos 1-5: Royal Concertgebouw, Jarvi, Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Operas: Valery Gergiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev - Lieutenant Kij and other Works: Sergey Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Ivan The Terrible: Philharmonia Choir & Orchestra, Jarvi, Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Prokofiev: Cinderella: Sergei Prokofiev: Amazon.co.uk: Music
 
Many countries of the world have an ancient tradition of classical music. Chinese opera originated thousands of years ago. Japan has an ancient tradition of classical music. India has one of the oldest and best traditions of classical music in the world.

There are two excellent threads on the forum for Indian and Carnatic classical music.

@Ajay,

I think you miss understanding about my statement regarding the composer from China....What I meant is, their works (butterfly violin concerto and Huang He Piano Concerto) are very frequent and well known too in western countries and play by many musician around the world. Of course there are traditional classical music from China, Japan, etc but in here I talked only the popular one that people around the world know about it.

Try to listen below, are you considering this a classical music or not, for me classical music is not only about mozart, beethoven, etc but the concept of classical music is very wide and depth (I do not know may be because I am a pianist, so I have a different view about classical music).

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THE THIRD STREAM is a new genre of music located about half way between jazz and classical music. This definition was coined by Gunther Schuller in the late 50's, to define music which had strong elements of both classical and jazz. The Third Stream, according to Schuller, was not an assault on traditional jazz or classical music. It was different from both those streams. But the introduction of 'non classical' elements into classical music probably began in the late 19th century.

The earliest attempts to infuse folk and gypsy strains into classical music were made by composers like Antonin Dvorak, Gustav Mahler and Bela Bartok. Igor Stravinsky's ballet "The Rites of Spring" which premiered in Paris in 1913 (widely considered to be one the most significant musical event of the 20th century) took this infusion further. The pounding jungle rhythms of this ballet injected a new energy and vitality into classical music. Later he wrote several compositions with a strong element of jazz music like the Preludium, Ragtime for 11 instruments and The Ebony Concerto.

In 1922 the French composer Darius Milhaud visited the United States and heard jazz music for the first time. The following year he wrote a ballet called The Creation Of The World which incorporated the music he had heard on the streets of Harlem. In 1940 he emigrated to America and his work there as a teacher and composer influenced both classical and jazz musicians.

In the 1920's radio gained in popularity, and the influence of Afro American music first started percolating into classical music. The years after WW1 until the Depression of '29 are known as the Jazz age or the roaring 20's. Perhaps best known for Scott Fitzgerald magnificent novel "The Great Gatsby". And for the music of George Gershwin. Gershwin's compositions melded the classical music of the old world with the fresh, energetic music of the new world. His brother Ira Gershwin wrote the lyrics for his songs. Among his famous compositions are Rhapsody In Blue, An American In Paris and the opera Porgy and Bess, which has been covered by jazz musicians like Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald, Miles Davis, Oscar Peterson, John Coltrane, Nina Simone and Sarah Vaughan.

The American composer Aaron Copland also fused his classical compositions like the Dance Symphony and Piano variations with whiffs of jazz. And the Russian composer Dmitri Shostokovich wrote some electrifying music which was released as "The Jazz Album".

Igor Stravinsky - Ebony Concerto - YouTube
 
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In the early 70's Charles Daellenbach and Eugene Watts formed a classical ensemble with jazz roots called Canadian Brass. Over the past four decades their unique music and sartorial style (formal black suits with white sports shoes :) ) has been heard and seen in concert halls all over the world. Since its creation the brass quintet has seen several members come and go, but Charles has remained a constant as the quintets tuba player. Currently the other members of the band are Eric Reed(french horn),Chris Colletti (trumpet),Brandon Ridenour(trumpet),Achilles Liarmakopoulos(trombone).

Their official channel on You Tube:

canadianbrass's Channel - YouTube
 
Just came back from a great performance of Pinchus Zukerman conducting and playing Richard Strauss, Schumann, Bach and Mozart. He played Bach concerto in E and he still has it :-)
Also pretty good cello solo by Amanda Forsyth(Zukerman's wife) on Schumann's cello concerto. Though late Ms Dupre still reigns supreme in my memory.
 
Cricfansd

You are lucky to be living in a region where there are plenty of live concerts happening. As I don't expect to ever have similar access to live music I have to rely on my HI FI system. Which by the way is sounding so good that I have stopped surfing HI FI sites :)

Late night when there is no ambient noise the performances in my room comes quite close to a live experience. I have recently bought a lot of new music from Amazon. Most of this music has been bought with a focus on artists, conductors and orchestras rather than on the composer. The major 50 composers and their well known works are all there. Usually when I surf my CD rack the search is no longer for a composer but for Boulez? Abbado? Gergiev? Haitink? Vanska? Jarvi? Oistrakh? Heifetz? Richter? Horowitz? Pollini? Gulda?

Great Pianists of the Twentieth Century, Classical Notes, Peter Gutmann
 
Ajay,

Yes I try to attend concerts when ever possible.
The biggest issue I find in the recorded music is the problem of the dynamic range during the recording. In great halls (I have been fortunate to visit few) you can hear "Col legno" strokes in a solo violin quite easily and not grimace when the tympani strikes. I find that is not the case for recorded music. That is why I typically listen to chamber music at home and symphony at hall. The immense soundstage generated by a symphony is something I haven't felt in my system so far, which is partly because of components and partly because of the stereo sound recording of 100 instruments on stage.
 
The biggest issue I find in the recorded music is the problem of the dynamic range during the recording.

It is obvious that an orchestra comprising of 100+ musicians should be heard in a concert hall. Since I do not have access to it I feel the next best thing is a high fidelity stereo system. I feel my present system does a pretty good job of reproducing the dynamics of orchestral music. Most of my music sessions in the last six months have focused on the orchestral music of Mahler, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Bartok, Sibelius, Shostakovich, Mussorgsky, Rimski Korsakov etc. The credit for my shift from the chamber music of Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Haydn, Handel and Schubert to orchestral music goes to M/S Vienna Acoustics/Bryston/Esoteric/Transparent. They are doing their job well.

The kind of music I love to play LOUD on my system :)

Shostakovich Symphony No.8 3rd movement - YouTube
 
Has anybody interested in buying vinyl recordings of classical music checked out this website?

ClassicalVinylRecords.Com

A quick look through their chamber music section yielded many decent recordings at affordable prices.

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Correction

I was reading some of the earlier posts in this thread. I have mentioned Beethoven's best known piano sonatas several times. The piano sonatas I had in mind were Pathetique, Moonlight, Pastorale, Tempest, Waldstein and Appasionata. Number 6,14,15,17,21,23,. I have thoughtlessly referred to them as numbers 1-6 in a couple of earlier posts :sad:

Beethoven wrote a total of 32 piano sonatas. The six mentioned above are the most popular and are usually included in a two CD set. Les Adieux (26) and Hammerklavier (29) are also very popular. Some well known versions of these sonatas are:

Beethoven: Favourite Piano Sonatas: Alfred Brendel: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: Favourite Piano Sonatas (8, 14, 15, 17, 21, 23 & 26): Vladimir Ashkenazy: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: Favourite Piano Sonatas - Pathtique; Moonlight; Tempest; Waldstein; Appassionata; Les Adieux: Maurizio Pollini: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: Piano Sonatas Op. 57 "Appassionata"; Op. 27,2 "Moonlight" & Op. 53 "Waldstein" - Sony Classical Masters: Vladimir Horowitz, Ludwig van Beethoven: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven Favourite Piano Sonatas: Stephen Kovacevich: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: Piano Sonatas Opus 109, 110 & 111: Mitsuko Uchida: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Among the pianists I really like a lot are Sviatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels, Vladimir Horowitz, Mitsuko Uchida, Maurizio Pollini. I believe the Emil Gilels box set may be the best single pianist collection of Beethoven's piano sonatas.

Beethoven: The Piano Sonatas: Emil Gilels: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Richter the Master Vol. 1: Beethoven - Piano Sonatas: Ludwig Van Beethoven, Sviatoslav Richter: Amazon.co.uk: Music
 
Ajay,

Yes I try to attend concerts when ever possible.
The biggest issue I find in the recorded music is the problem of the dynamic range during the recording. In great halls (I have been fortunate to visit few) you can hear "Col legno" strokes in a solo violin quite easily and not grimace when the tympani strikes. I find that is not the case for recorded music. That is why I typically listen to chamber music at home and symphony at hall. The immense soundstage generated by a symphony is something I haven't felt in my system so far, which is partly because of components and partly because of the stereo sound recording of 100 instruments on stage.

It depends on what Hi Fi components are you using...Definitely cables are the most important things..if you are using USD 2000+/3 feet then definitely u can hear the differences and feel every instruments in detailed like you are sitting in concert hall...I also attend the live performance regularly....
 
It depends on what Hi Fi components are you using...Definitely cables are the most important things..if you are using USD 2000+/3 feet then definitely u can hear the differences and feel every instruments in detailed like you are sitting in concert hall...I also attend the live performance regularly....

ylesmana

We have various opinions on the forum regarding which component is the most important in the HI FI chain. Would you consider cables to be the most essential component of a stereo system?
 
Dmitri Shostakovich

Shostakovich - Complete Symphonies: Dmitry Shostakovich, Rudolf Barshai, West German Radio Symphony Orchestra, Alla Simoni, Moscow Choral Academy, West German Radio Chorus: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Shostakovich: String Quartets 1-13: Dmitri Shostakovich: Amazon.co.uk: Music

The Rudolf Barshai complete symphonies box set would be a good introduction at a budget price Barshai was a fellow Russian and a contemporary of DS. The recordings are old but quite authentic. Sound quality would be good but not great. There are plenty of reviews at Amazon from actual buyers. I have only heard a couple of these recordings. I don't have any of them as I chose to buy individual CD's of later recordings at considerable expense.

The string quartet set by the original Borodin Quartet may never be bettered. Together these sets would be eligible for free shipping.

Shostakovich lived through very complex political times. His music is full of darkness, despair, anguish, horror, fear, anger. With very little of the happy and hopeful stuff which makes human life bearable! So this is definitely not easy listening music which can be played in the background :)
 
This is proving to be one of the best thread in HFV and thanks to AJAY for that. I have started to accumulate few Western Classical CD's. Have 6 CD's of Western Collection:sad:, but the number will go up in a couple of months.
But I am not able to understand many of the posts. I am reading it again and again and can follow a bit. But at end of the day , I just buy the CD's recommended by Ajay and enjoy the music;)
 
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