Hi Dr. Bass,
Today I auditioned Dali ikon 6 dali zensor
Zensor was paired with Yamaha and ikon6 was matched with Denon amplifier.
Dali ikon 6- 90,000
Zensor--40,000
What amplifier model was the denon which was connected to the ikon 6
Both the combinations were average and nothing was special. Denon with Ikon 6 was little more open sounding.
Well I'm not surprised, most Denon amplifiers readily on display at stores use cheap class ab amplification with cheap low quality parts.
Class ab amplifiers tend to do better on lower quality speakers by giving the illusion of clarity through artificial brightness.
The ikon 6 is a bright speaker, when you pair it with a bright amplifier, the result will be very poor.
That is what you experienced first hand.
I found my woodstock is far better in detail, clarity, bass, low volume sound, specially if I compare the price. Dali ikon6 with denon would cost approx 1.30 k.
Well, obviously, you've been listening to it for almost a decade. Your neural pathways have evolved to receive sonic detail through that tonality. What did you expect?
I cant understand either I am looking for some extraordinary product OR manufacturers have started providing highly AVERAGE, ORDINARY products in extraordinary prices.
Refer to my comment above.
You don't know what you're looking for. Anything you're saying beyond this point is just rambling.
You need to first understand what you're looking for in your mind. What your mind wants. Because if you don't, everything else will sound like crap and you will call it crap.
Yamaha with Dali Zensor was atleast acceptable( however below average in my terms). If this is the way for quality products it means a good audio system will cost approx 10 lakhs to somebody.
10 Lakhs to somebody, 10 hours of education to others.
Dr. Bass, when I asked about DYNAUDIO with dealer he showed that he has listened to a new name in audio world and gave the expression like he is not aware with name.
Then he told me that the kind of product I want for me, could only be auditioned in Mumbai, not in delhi. He told me to go to mumbai for good quality products.
What is this Dr.Bass reference you're consistently using, if you wanted to talk to Dr.Bass you should have pm'ed him instead of making this post public.
Right,
This is exactly what I think Hari ji,
May be I have heard a lot better sound than this dali ikon.
Define what is better sound for us please.
I had purchased woodstock aw602 in 2004 and when i am out for new hunt since then, I found that woodstock is still far ahead than these crap audio systems.
Big words, for someone who hasn't even written down what type of sound he prefers and calls everything else crap.
Only the prices have been increased. Qualities have been getting low.
For eg- Paradigm studio60, earlier rates were 1.10 lakhs approx with 7 inch drivers.
Now--1.35 lakhs with 5.5 inch drivers.WHY? This is only & only money making. Nothing else.
Companies change, competitions change, management changes, cost of production changes, the world is not a static place.
Also bigger driver cones mean nothing without knowing whats behind them.
People who are appreciating dali ikon , I think have not heard the quality sound ever, otherwise they would have not said this.
Ever heard of the word preference? People have different preferences, choices make things interesting. I would hate to live in a world with just one choice of music because I for one sure know I've gone through 3 different sound quality preference changes.
Even if the amplifier would be different, how much difference would have come?Could that be 100% different. Only some %. Bass was totally lacking. I had raised the bass to full. No punch felt.
Amplifier makes 100% difference and so does an open mind.
Do you even know what frequency that bass knob changes? 30hz? 60hz? 120hz? 240hz?
And as for punch, larger driver does not equate to punch and neither does a punch mean it's bass.
Punch is measured by the amount of air displaced by a woofer. This equates to the speed of the driver. The speed of a driver is measured by it's waterfall plot diagram. Two 5" drivers which has an excursion equal to one 10" driver will generate the same amount of punch but this is not bass either.
Bass is low frequencies. And the lower you go, the less you hear. You go down to 20hz and your clothes will flutter without any sound or punch, THAT is true low frequency. It's not something you hear at all below 20hz.
You're calling everything crap without even educating yourself or asking people.
I am sorry to say however it is not the reality. Just I can say it is average speaker
The rest of the world thinks otherwise.
Hi Thirthankar,
Thank you for your reply,
First of all sorry for being rude about the audiophiles who said good to Dali,
Actually I am very frustrated.
First I auditioned Paradigm studio100 with rotel 1550 and that became the horrible experince.
TOTAL HARSH SOUND, JUST LIKE DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS.
Did you even check what type of amplification it was? Class a or class ab or class b?
What's harsh to you may be clarity to others.
No way they were sounding like 1.90 lakh of speakers. I straight away thought that--" is this the product for which people pay 1.9 lakh rupes".
If it's their preference, yes it is.
If this the product then I am far better with my woodstock I had purchased in 2004 for 40,000 rs(speakers, amplifier, equalizer).
If you don't know what kind of sound you prefer or can't define it, then yes you are indeed better off sticking to the woodstock setup which your neural pathways have evolved around.
U can easily understand in just one week day, somebody try to take out the time to audition something and found that either people are not aware themseves(dealers), or products are not good OR are over priced like b&w speakers OR are not available for Demo.
I'm not trying to attack you but honestly, the only person who seems oblivious and unaware here is you.
Being an audiophile isn't window shopping.
It's a journey of self reflection through educating oneself and understanding one's preferences and finding a setup that appeals to that self reflected understanding to find a sonic quality that best appeals to us.
When we reach that pinnacle of understanding which pleases our minds, we will achieve it by hook or by crook and nothing can stop you from getting your hands on it.
It took me 2 years to understand that I like the sound of Pre-klipsch Jamo configurations and I went through 3 different phases and dozens of auditions till I reached this conclusion. When I came to that realization I searched online for 1 year to find the speaker model that I wanted until I finally found it.
Whatever we people are doing, doing on the basis of our own knowledge,whether I am taking whole lot of time in writing to you people OR ruining my weekly off for the audition, but dealers are just making the profit and selling crap products .
You consider auditions a ruining of your holiday??
I FOUND ONLY ONE PERSON WHO IS NOT ONLY A DEALER BUT PASSIONATE ABOUT MUSIC TOO. THAT IS DANNY IN BASS AND TERBLE GURGAON.
If you have to rely on someone else's passion to justify your own, you need to rethink your priorities. Passion is a reflection of self understanding.
Today when i auditioned dali , i asked him about DYNAUDIO and dealer started giving different face expression like i am asking about an ordinary product or he just listened to a new name in audio world which does not have any speciality.
Which dealer? where? when? Also there are hundreds of thousands of brands, why are you even expecting a dealer to know every brand?
DYNAUDIO is already recommended to me by many people in this forum.
I don't..why?
Because you have not done any real research or any self reflection. Understand yourself before you try to understand anything else.
Everything is within one's reach, it's just a matter of how much priority you want to assign to it. If you know what you want, you can even find a 2,00,000 inr pair of speakers for 30,000 inr.
