Favourite speakers under INR 20k

that's useful information. In the event that I default to the BR2 being my top choice, I will head straight to the Audio People on Monday and haggle my head off and see. If they still don't come to 22k or below...hmmm....maybe i'll listen to more speakers :)

and thevortex, i am really sorry i haevn't taken up your offer with regard to the PSBs, i've just not had any free time.

I can attest to that. It is all about bargaining and haggling there.
 
that's useful information. In the event that I default to the BR2 being my top choice, I will head straight to the Audio People on Monday and haggle my head off and see. If they still don't come to 22k or below...hmmm....maybe i'll listen to more speakers :)

and thevortex, i am really sorry i haevn't taken up your offer with regard to the PSBs, i've just not had any free time.

Hi Psychotropic,

If u dont get your usher, how about some joint haggling for 18k or so for BR2. Only caveat is i'm not sure how it sounds with vocal driven indian music.(esp south indian classical)
 
Hi Psychotropic,

If u dont get your usher, how about some joint haggling for 18k or so for BR2. Only caveat is i'm not sure how it sounds with vocal driven indian music.(esp south indian classical)

Oh, its a very good speaker for that kind of music. I enjoy a lot of carnatic and hindustani classical music as well.

But my first choice for such music - focusing on vocals - is EPOS. In your case maybe a shootout between the ELS8 and the BR2 is called for. Unfortunately I have heard the ELS8 only for a fairly limited duration. Not enough to categorically say whether it is better or worse than the BR2.
 
and thevortex, i am really sorry i haevn't taken up your offer with regard to the PSBs, i've just not had any free time.

That is OK, psychotropic. My suggestion would be to take the time out to do a home audition on the PSB's before you take the final call. Have a great trip to Bangalore.

One small favour if it is possible - Could you also listen to the X series bookshelf and the V602 while at ARN and let us know what you make of it vis a vis the other speakers you have heard. I had considerable interest in those speakers before I settled down with my EPOS.
 
Oh, its a very good speaker for that kind of music. I enjoy a lot of carnatic and hindustani classical music as well.

But my first choice for such music - focusing on vocals - is EPOS. In your case maybe a shootout between the ELS8 and the BR2 is called for. Unfortunately I have heard the ELS8 only for a fairly limited duration. Not enough to categorically say whether it is better or worse than the BR2.

Vortex, I too liked the epos, but the 20k price tag apart, problem is my varied genre preference from rock to classical ,instrumental and indian classical, hence the confusion.And i want the sound to be smooth with certain genres which i'm not sure if BR2 is.
 
Vortex, I too liked the epos, but the 20k price tag apart, problem is my varied genre preference from rock to classical ,instrumental and indian classical, hence the confusion.And i want the sound to be smooth with certain genres which i'm not sure if BR2 is.

I would not describe the BR2 as smoother than the EPOS ELS8. The latter is smoother - in terms of taking out the rough edges in music and imbuing it with the sort of warmth that makes for long term listening.

Obviously this comes at the cost of some detail and sometimes even some energy and vitality from the music. The best thing is to listen and compare and see which one is your poison:)
 
hehe, like thevortex said, you'll have to pick on what compromises you want to make:

BR2 - you will compromise a bit of smoothness and coherence of the mid-range compared to the ELS8, but gain more detail

ELS8 - you will compromise a bit of detail, but you will get good mids, and a smooth, polite presentation.

At these price points, I am not sure you'll be able to get something that can combine these attributes.

The closest you can get may possibly be the Wharfedale 10.1, it's smoother than the BR2, has a lovely mid-range (though as thevortex said it might be 'sweetened'), great (if not the tightest) bass for rock music etc., It's a superb budget speaker simply because it does a lot of things reasonably well, even if it doesn't excel in any department. Of course the fact that it looks better than anything else around definitely counts in its favour.

Bargaining the Audio People down to 18k for the BR2 would be an impossible task I am fairly sure. Even my target of 22k would be an uphill battle.

How about this? If I do like and pick up the Ushers, you can come home and listen to them with all your music, and maybe the Ushers will be your answer. In case they are not, do definitely consider the Wharfedale. That might be my choice as well, if the Usher doesn't float my boat, and the BR2 doesn't come for 22k or less.

Of course the PSB Alpha B1 is an excellent option as well, but "smoothness" you'll sacrifice.

Vortex, I too liked the epos, but the 20k price tag apart, problem is my varied genre preference from rock to classical ,instrumental and indian classical, hence the confusion.And i want the sound to be smooth with certain genres which i'm not sure if BR2 is.
 
Hi Psychotropic,

If u dont get your usher, how about some joint haggling for 18k or so for BR2. Only caveat is i'm not sure how it sounds with vocal driven indian music.(esp south indian classical)

Cooltoad, the BR2s sound amazing with Indian music (both classical and contemporary). They really empahasize the vocals in Indian music!

Overall they are good speakers. The only 2 negatives with the sound that I have come across are:

1. When playing genres (like rock) where there is a lot of activity in the mid-range, the vocals sometimes tend to take a back-seat / get de-emphasized.

2. The bass is very tight which is good for classical or jazz but not ideal if you're listening to hip-hop where you may want low-end bass to be a little flabby and carry forward. I guess we can't have it all.

Just my 2 cents but I am no expert....Hope this helps.
 
Hi Psychotropic, Good luck on your audition. Hope u get the speakers real soon. 10.1 is definitely on my list . I take your word since u also listen to rock. Got my amp, but yet couldnt go for the audition for some reason.Grand cinema is quoting 13.7k which looks very attractive. But wanna make sure if 1ft on the rear and 2ft on either side walls is ok and what about wall mounting with some good brackets.
 
Cooltoad, the BR2s sound amazing with Indian music (both classical and contemporary). They really empahasize the vocals in Indian music!

Overall they are good speakers. The only 2 negatives with the sound that I have come across are:

1. When playing genres (like rock) where there is a lot of activity in the mid-range, the vocals sometimes tend to take a back-seat / get de-emphasized.

2. The bass is very tight which is good for classical or jazz but not ideal if you're listening to hip-hop where you may want low-end bass to be a little flabby and carry forward. I guess we can't have it all.

Just my 2 cents but I am no expert....Hope this helps.

Thanks Deora for your 2 cents. But 22k is what puts me off from even going for an audition.
 
Why dont you guys go the DIY route?

Regards

Never been a good DIYer at anything. and dont have the tech know-how either.
But for the knowledge from web and forums like these, an average lay person would be very happy with any of the 10k to 20k speakers.
 
Psycho hope you had your audition and is on ur way to chennai eagerly awaiting for ur feedbacks

almost at the finishing line of your speaker hunt
 
And the winner by a landslide:

is the Usher S520 :)

Auditioned it at ARN Systems and bought it immediately. While I concede that various biases and extraneous conditions could have played a role in the decision, and my experience with audio equipment is very limited, and so my opinion is of limited value, it sounded like it was from a different category, from pretty much everything I've heard so far on this quest.

I started the audition with Supertramp's School, where the speakers sounded good, but not great, and I was thinking "oh, is this going to be a letdown". Then more tracks followed including "money for nothing" and "ride across the river" by dire straits, stuff from my sheffield lab and stereophile test discs, and so on, and as the speakers warmed up it markedly got better and by the time it played Donald Fagen's Morph the Cat....even Sridhar was taken aback by what these speakers were doing. Dynamic range! my god....i haven't seen this kind of dynamic range from a speaker of this size and price. The mids were liquid, highs were detailed but smooth (the amp being an NAD probably had a smoothing effect).

The coherence between the mids and the highs was superb. The sound had a wholeness to it. The bass was tight and while the cabinet and driver size limitations meant that it did not have the grunt of the BR2, the low frequences went really low (for its size) and the reproduction was accurate, authoritative and fast. The bass was exactly the opposite of the bass of the Wharfedale 10.1, which is deep but loose, this was less deep, but far more authoritative, tight and accurate. I expect the bass to shine even more in my room.

It dispatched every genre thrown at it with aplomb. Like Sachin Tendulkar on song. Jazz, classical, rock, blues, spoken word, it sounded great with everything.

Hmmmm yeah, so I loved it to bits. And I am fairly confident about the fact that none of the other speakers I've heard as part of this series of auditions can compete with the Ushers. It pretty much demolishes my previous favourite, the BR2. It is not "under" 20k, but even at around 22k it's superb value IMHO. The only reason someone would pick the BR2 was if they had a larger room and needed the extra grunt.

While I myself would not advise you to rely on my opinion for anything, I would definitely urge you to listen to these speakers if you're looking for bookshelves even up to 30-35k, because these sounds like they're worth that much.

Oh ya, afterwards I listened to the BE-718 and the Emerald Physics CS3. thevortex, i am sorry i couldn't audition the other Usher, because I was already intruding into someone else's audition appointment. The Be-718 sounded like a BIG brother of the S520. Of course, it costs some 5 times more, and it sounded at least twice as good :) the LFE was stunning, and the mids were super liquid, as were the highs.

And of course the Emerald Physics. I've heard people describe speakers by saying that "it felt like the performers were there in the room with you." I've never actually felt that before. I felt it with these. Goosebump level performance. They sounded like no speaker I've heard before. Cranked up to really really loud levels, it sounded shockingly listenable. The bass had a different quality to it compared to the box speakers I've heard. I am not 100% sure I like it this way, but ya, it's a quibble. Stunning speakers! maybe some day when I have the dough to start a thread saying "favourite speakers around Rs. 2 lakhs" I'll be seriously considering these :)
 
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Hi Psychotropic,

Congratulations on your purchase of the Usher speakers. Great description of your audition as well. Now you have everything, a source, an amp and a pair of speakers. Have you hooked them up at home? Please give us a detailed review of your entire system. BTW, what speaker cables did you get?

Another question: these little Ushers come in all kinds of colours. Which colour did you get?

Regards.
 
Re: And the winner by a landslide:

is the Usher S520 :)

Auditioned it at ARN Systems and bought it immediately. While I concede that various biases and extraneous conditions could have played a role in the decision, and my experience with audio equipment is very limited, and so my opinion is of limited value, it sounded like it was from a different category, from pretty much everything I've heard so far on this quest.

I started the audition with Supertramp's School, where the speakers sounded good, but not great, and I was thinking "oh, is this going to be a letdown". Then more tracks followed including "money for nothing" and "ride across the river" by dire straits, stuff from my sheffield lab and stereophile test discs, and so on, and as the speakers warmed up it markedly got better and by the time it played Donald Fagen's Morph the Cat....even Sridhar was taken aback by what these speakers were doing. Dynamic range! my god....i haven't seen this kind of dynamic range from a speaker of this size and price. The mids were liquid, highs were detailed but smooth (the amp being an NAD probably had a smoothing effect).

The coherence between the mids and the highs was superb. The sound had a wholeness to it. The bass was tight and while the cabinet and driver size limitations meant that it did not have the grunt of the BR2, the low frequences went really low (for its size) and the reproduction was accurate, authoritative and fast. The bass was exactly the opposite of the bass of the Wharfedale 10.1, which is deep but loose, this was less deep, but far more authoritative, tight and accurate. I expect the bass to shine even more in my room.

It dispatched every genre thrown at it with aplomb. Like Sachin Tendulkar on song. Jazz, classical, rock, blues, spoken word, it sounded great with everything.

Hmmmm yeah, so I loved it to bits. And I am fairly confident about the fact that none of the other speakers I've heard as part of this series of auditions can compete with the Ushers. It pretty much demolishes my previous favourite, the BR2. It is not "under" 20k, but even at around 22k it's superb value IMHO. The only reason someone would pick the BR2 was if they had a larger room and needed the extra grunt.

While I myself would not advise you to rely on my opinion for anything, I would definitely urge you to listen to these speakers if you're looking for bookshelves even up to 30-35k, because these sounds like they're worth that much.

Oh ya, afterwards I listened to the BE-718 and the Emerald Physics CS2.3. thevortex, i am sorry i couldn't audition the other Usher, because I was already intruding into someone else's audition appointment. The Be-718 sounded like a BIG brother of the S520. Of course, it costs some 5 times more, and it sounded at least twice as good :) the LFE was stunning, and the mids were super liquid, as were the highs.

And of course the Emerald Physics. I've heard people describe speakers by saying that "it felt like the performers were there in the room with you." I've never actually felt that before. I felt it with these. Goosebump level performance. They sounded like no speaker I've heard before. Cranked up to really really loud levels, it sounded shockingly listenable. The bass had a different quality to it compared to the box speakers I've heard. I am not 100% sure I like it this way, but ya, it's a quibble. Stunning speakers! maybe some day when I have the dough to start a thread saying "favourite speakers around Rs. 2 lakhs" I'll be seriously considering these :)

Nice write up and congratulations Psycho, those are really nice speakers I hve heard it only with a Usher CDP and Leben CS600 it was stunning to see the least; always wanted to know how it would perform with budget partnering equipments never got the time to goto ARN for tht.

Psycho which NAD and which CDP they were playing these with.

Really happy for you that your really long search for a setup has ended with a setup like this.

Congratulations once again

cheers
Rem


Hope you got the stunning Red one
 
Hearty congratulations Pshycho! Glad to know you finally bought a speaker that meets your strict demands. Patience does pay. :)

The S520 is the only usher I've ever heard; and fell in love with them instantly. Wonder what color your went for. Glossy?

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Cheers.
 
thanks to Psycho for writing this up. I suspect the initial tracks didnt play that well for two reasons - Psycho wasnt seated in the center - we had to shift the chairs a bit so that he could be in the center. Second, the stand height wasnt adjusted for the 520 initially, once we got this done the sound improved dramatically...

The CDP was the Usher CDP to a NAD integrated

cheers
 
@Asit - not yet hooked up. Just reached back this morning by bus. Also I don't have speaker wire. Need to buy that.

@Rem - The CDP was the Usher , the amp was the NAD C372. Couldn't carry mine because I was travelling by bus. But the NADs I've heard have very similar sound signatures across the line, and this was the best approximation I could manage. Will post reports on how it sounds with my Marantz CD63SE and NAD C320BEE as soon as I hook them up.

And apologies for not giving you a buzz, it was a pretty hectic trip. Was not able to pick up the interconnects from SoundsGreat either.
 
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