*Help to choose a better 2D Full HD LED Screen for home use (3D optional)*

[nanduking2]

Then its good for u bro...but majority of people will get eye strain.

 

[madhavk8]

3D causes eye strain ONLY when there is crosstalk or flicker. Newer Samsung and Panasonic 3d plasmas have successfully minimized crosstalk and flicker to almost non-existent levels. Hence question of eye strain does not arise.

I personally own a 51D550 plasma and have watched many full length 3D movies and played 3D games without any eye strain.

Last years 3D LED's was known to produce eye strain only because they had high levels of crosstalk and flicker. So don't be bogged down by myths. Active shutter does not produce eye strain, it happens only if the 3D effect is not proper and has crosstalk and/or flicker.

 

[sv5020]

Thanks for the time, all of you.
avmaxfan, I agree with you reg: the saturated colors of LED screen nowadays. hey, I too don't expect SAM 46D6000 for 75k. It was an approx amount I allocated to my selection and thought of revise it upto 1 Lakh if reqd after getting all of your valuable advise reg: the screen size and model.

Since SAM is rated in between Sony & LG in 2D/3D respects, so I prefer it.

Qn-1. No one has answered my first Qn yet ! Can I proceed my search with 46" screen size per given viewing distance ?

Qn-2. Is there much difference in viewing exp between SAM D6000 & D6600 ? Is it value for money to select D6600 as per my given requirement ?

Cheers...

 

[girish1in]

d6600 has 2d > 3d conversion feature....
dont know yaar but d6600 motion flow(or motion clarity..whatever you say) looks a bid artificial to me to digest...may be its just my personal experience, after some time u feel u r watching some tv serial if u watch a movie(hope u got it what i mean)....guess samsung has increased the framerate artificially in order to attempt reduction in shudder effect in fast moving images(intrinsic shortcoming for all leds)...in all its 2011 models.......thats y i am staying away from sammy.....for those who dont mind this ..then no doubbt sammys are always best in the technology they provide.....u can gog ahead safely...

Thanks for the time, all of you.
avmaxfan, I agree with you reg: the saturated colors of LED screen nowadays. hey, I too don't expect SAM 46D6000 for 75k. It was an approx amount I allocated to my selection and thought of revise it upto 1 Lakh if reqd after getting all of your valuable advise reg: the screen size and model.

Since SAM is rated in between Sony & LG in 2D/3D respects, so I prefer it.

Qn-1. No one has answered my first Qn yet ! Can I proceed my search with 46" screen size per given viewing distance ?

Qn-2. Is there much difference in viewing exp between SAM D6000 & D6600 ? Is it value for money to select D6600 as per my given requirement ?

Cheers...

 

[max123_ind]

d6600 motion flow(or motion clarity..whatever you say) looks a bid artificial to me to digest...may be its just my personal experience, after some time u feel u r watching some tv serial if u watch a movie(hope u got it what i mean)....

Ditto with my 2010 model LG...

 

[Yogesh]

Panasonic led 42e30 has best motion clarity. Anybody can go and check it in biz news tickers ( I would suggest to see zee business as it has colored text on white background, go and see for yourself). LG 5500 was next among what i auditioned followed by philips 4 series led. Sony and samsung are worst.

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I tried to judge motion clarity by News/Stock tickers. Among all the TVs I auditioned tickers were running smooth in e30,LG; others were jerky. Also Text was clear cut in E30 followed by LG. In others text was defocused or ill-formed. It was straining to the eye watching such tickers. So, this has good motion clarity OR am i missing something?

 

[avmaxfan]

Thanks for the time, all of you.
avmaxfan, I agree with you reg: the saturated colors of LED screen nowadays. hey, I too don't expect SAM 46D6000 for 75k. It was an approx amount I allocated to my selection and thought of revise it upto 1 Lakh if reqd after getting all of your valuable advise reg: the screen size and model.

Since SAM is rated in between Sony & LG in 2D/3D respects, so I prefer it.

Qn-1. No one has answered my first Qn yet ! Can I proceed my search with 46" screen size per given viewing distance ?

Qn-2. Is there much difference in viewing exp between SAM D6000 & D6600 ? Is it value for money to select D6600 as per my given requirement ?

Cheers...

Qn-1 Yes 46" should be good for your viewing distance

Qn-2 Yes there is a difference between D6000 and D6600. Especially regards to 3D. The D6000 comes with 3D only in Indian market and maybe some other markets but everywhere else its a 2D only TV. So the 3D performance will be better on D6600.

Also in 2D it has better colors and much higher contrast ratio than the D6000.

 

[longshanks]

Color accuracy and details are god awful on the EX720.It also has clouding and back light bleeding.Pic never looks clean and i found it to be noisy no matter how you calibrate, also it cant show color variations properly, the colors like most Sony LCD's don't appear natural, specially the skin tones and the color temperature.

Well the 3D pic quality on EX720:lol:

Only thing good about this tv is it has decent blacks.

If you are not just looking at LCD's i recommend you check out the 50" ST30 Panasonic plasma which is way better in all regards or even the Samsung D550 plasma is worth an audition.

 

[avmaxfan]

^
Oh is that so ? Hmm. Seems like all the professional reviewers are blind and their equipment is also inaccurate. Only you know how to properly review a Sony product.

Seriously dude enough with your Sony bashing!!!! Mods need to do something about this.

And now since you've started with your mindless bashing show me proof to support the statements you have made above. And if its just that you are a plasma fanboy why did you only attack Sony EX720 when the Samsung and LG models have WORSE color rendition ?????????????????

 

[longshanks]

Well that my opinion about the TV , i own that model, it is just simple as that.

Do you have proof to all your claims where you keep recommending Sony televisions no matter what the OP asks in almost all of your threads?

Not sure why you react like i am bashing you , i just pointed the disadvantages that i saw but you always over react like i am abusing you personally when i talk about Sony, i really don't know why.

As usual we test color gradation with our smooth color gradients to examine how well a TV distinguishes the many colors from each other. EX720 is an average-performer in this area. It has some bands in the semi-dark and dark color areas, meaning that not all colors are perfectly distinguished. I am not impressed in this area.

HD picture quality on EX720 is fairly good but not fantastic. Detailing is high but I noticed some problems with the darks areas that tend to loose details

However, EX720 is not on par with for example Panasonic GT30 when it comes to HD picture quality.

Shadow detailing (a test to see if the TV can distinguish the very dark grey tones) was fairly good but the 1-2 darkest grey tones were reproduced as black and therefore some detailing in very dark movie scenes and games is lost

Sony EX720 has some clouding but it is not as bad as previous generation of Sony mid-end TVs that have struggled with these issues. EX720 has some light slipping through in the corners but it was not a critical issue on our sample.

Sony EX720 review - FlatpanelsHD

now here is a good LCD tv:

LG Nano LW9800 review - FlatpanelsHD

 

[madhavk8]

Dude LG LW9800 costs more than 2.5L And that specific model is not even available in india i think, we have the LX9500.

 

[avmaxfan]

Color accuracy and details are god awful on the EX720.It also has clouding and back light bleeding.Pic never looks clean and i found it to be noisy no matter how you calibrate, also it cant show color variations properly, the colors like most Sony LCD's don't appear natural, specially the skin tones and the color temperature.

Well the 3D pic quality on EX720:lol:

Only thing good about this tv is it has decent blacks.

If you are not just looking at LCD's i recommend you check out the 50" ST30 Panasonic plasma which is way better in all regards or even the Samsung D550 plasma is worth an audition.

Objective comparison of EX720 and Panasonic ST30 with test data and charts.

Vs Sony KDL-55EX720 - Panasonic TC-P50ST30 Plasma 3D HDTV Review

EX720 has higher contrast - Check
EX720 has better colors - Check
EX720 has better motion - Check

 

[longshanks]

The site says VT20 has lower contrast ratio than mid range samsung and sony LCD :lol:

 

[avmaxfan]

^Not something to laugh at, its the fact due to the fact that Plasmas have very low peak brightness. And contrast ratio is Peak White/Deepest black. So you can't have a high contrast ratio by just having deep blacks.

Same website you quoted also agrees. VT20 contrast ratio - 1700:1. You already have the EX720 review link and the contrast ratio measured is 2588:1

http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1274347515

@Everyone else
I am not saying that EX720 is a better set than VT20 or that only contrast ratio is the only measure of PQ, I am only trying to prove longshanks wrong who comes here and makes negative subjective remarks about a TV just because he has a personal hatred towards the brand of the TV.

 

[sam9s]

With all due respect, you are mistaken. The 3d experience of a 3d plasma far exceeds the FPR passive 3D tech in LG even after the full hd firmware update pushed by LG.

I have demoed 3D in Active shutter Samsung & Sony LEDs and Samsung and Panasonic Plasmas and Passive in LG LED. Also i have seen both 3D Active and Passive in Cinema Theatres( Xpand Active shutter on 4k digital).

I just have to say that Active shutter technology far exceeds passive in its ability to create solid sense of depth and immersion. The amount of detail available is staggering.

Plasma 3DTV and digital active shutter 3D in cinemas really provide a gr8 3D experience. Even active shutter LED's are getting better but still not nearly as good as plasmas except in extreme high end models

I am sorry to say even you are badly mistaken, Active Shutter is no longer a superior tech, Both Polarized and Active shutter glasses can provide almost the same, depth level, BUT with Polarized ,we have lighter, inexpensive glasses and there is no question of crosstalk. Plus no battery so no question of maintenance as well. Also What ever you say a small amount of cross talk does happen with AS and hence is still lands up straining eyes (in long duration) more then Polarized glasses. Not to forget we need high refresh rate TV to properly comprehend 3D via AS glasses. Atleast 120hz/eye (ie 240hz). While with polarized we have a guaranteed flicker free 3D experience.
Lastly its also said that Polarized glasses provide, excellent rejection between the left and right eye views thus getting rid of any ghosting issues in 3D videos.

Apart from all of the above there is no proof of AS providing some staggering details .... as you have said.
Infact the LG LW Cinema 3D tends to provide better viewing experience as the conventional AS tv as AS TVs do not have any image adjustment control once in 3D mode. LG LW series provide full control over picture adjustment (include Backlit adjustment), which tends to provide better viewing experience

Finally I do not own LG LW tv infact I do not even own an LED tv.

 

[avmaxfan]

^
Passive LG tvs also have ghosting/crosstalk. They do not completely eliminate ghosting/crosstalk.
Next 3D PQ wise no matter what you say, the best 3D experience is still found with Active shutter tech TVs and not the LG Cinema 3D displays.

In the mid range category they are definitely the best and better than competing Active Shutter TVs but they do not compare/match up to the high end Plasma/ high end LED Active shutter 3D TVs.

 

[rajadeep]

Heh it's funny how the OP wanted the better 2D tv & most of us are discussing which is the better 3D tv/technology ... All I can say is both have their plus & minus points... So don't be lazy & get a demo of the models you are interested in & decide for urself which suits you the best...

@ OP have you excluded plasmas from ur consideration??? Coz you can get a very good large 50' plasma at the price of most 40'LEDs(maybe even less than the LED)

 

[avmaxfan]

Getting the 50VT20 would be the best option. Its the steal of the century

 

[longshanks]

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@Everyone else
I am not blabbering and recommending just Sony always , I am only trying to prove avmaxfan is a Sonyfan, he comes to all the threads and recommends Sony no matter what the OP asks, and tries to post facts which are only +ve's of Sony reviews from sites which write +ve about Sony, he might love Sony but that has to stay with him, if not for the Sony love replies in this thread i would not even bother to post here.

Fixed.

 

[sam9s]

^
Passive LG tvs also have ghosting/crosstalk. They do not completely eliminate ghosting/crosstalk.

Then.... you dont know what 3D ghosting and Crosstalk is, coz the Polarized technology itself almost eliminates the possibility of Crosstalk and ghosting ....

Next 3D PQ wise no matter what you say, the best 3D experience is still found with Active shutter tech TVs and not the LG Cinema 3D displays.

seems more of a fan boy approach ..... High end or low end, Polarized tech will and is outshining Active Shutter, and LG has mastered it with its Cinema 3D displays ....... reason I already explained.