HM 601 in Customs!!!!!!!!!!!

PS1: Did we thread jack? oh! Never mind... :rolleyes:

Yes you did. Anyway happy to hear your experiences. Today I went to Customs office. They said within a week i will get it. Now i am looking for matching IEM. Can you please suggest a good one to match hm601 as well which should match clip+?

Thanks in advance
Badri
 
santosh will be the best person to tell you coz he has tried loads and loads of them. I believe he has even lost the count. I have tried them with three IEMs.

I liked RE-ZERO>Brainwavz M2>Klipsh S4
 
santosh will be the best person to tell you coz he has tried loads and loads of them. I believe he has even lost the count. I have tried them with three IEMs.

I liked RE-ZERO>Brainwavz M2>Klipsh S4

Hi santhosh. Can you please suggest me a good IEM which matches hm601?
 
We have start from your preferences and then try to match it with HM-601.

First of all, budget? Do you want to source it locally or can play the waiting game again with shipping and customs?

Would you be any chance pairing 601 with another external amplifier via LO or are you going to stick to headphone out?

What do you want in an IEM? Any preference for bass, mids, treble, sound stage? Any specifics?

I currently have only 13 IEMs (down from 46). While it's not a huge sample size as before, there's sufficient variety in SQ. So, once you narrow your preferences down, I can try a few of the similar ones with 601 and see how it goes.
 
We have start from your preferences and then try to match it with HM-601.

First of all, budget? Do you want to source it locally or can play the waiting game again with shipping and customs?

Would you be any chance pairing 601 with another external amplifier via LO or are you going to stick to headphone out?

What do you want in an IEM? Any preference for bass, mids, treble, sound stage? Any specifics?

I currently have only 13 IEMs (down from 46). While it's not a huge sample size as before, there's sufficient variety in SQ. So, once you narrow your preferences down, I can try a few of the similar ones with 601 and see how it goes.

Budget: I can go upto 15k. If it is possible to source from local i am very much happy, if not i am ready to ship it.

External Amp: currently I dont have any idea. I thought HM601 is enough. And I really dont know what is the difference its going to make when using ext. amp. Shed some light on that. I really dont aware of headphone amp kind of thing.

Expectation from IEM: I am really not a bass head. I want to listen to for hours and hours. But it should be detailed and pleasant. Sound stage is important.

46 IEMs. Thats a very big collection.
 
On Amp:

Unlike with other players, you do not need an amplifier with HM-601 as it is powerful enough to drive headphones. I specifically asked because of the HO's variation in frequency response with IEM's impedance.

In other words,

HM-601's Head phone out == Signature of 601 + Signature of IEM + variations introduced due to output impedance of the player

HM-601's Line out = Signature of 601 + Signature of IEM

The second one is a little easier to guess for me. But, for the first one, I need to try the IEMs themselves to see how they react - some don't show as much difference compared to being driven out of other sources, some vary wildly.

Let me repeat - you do not need an amp.

IEM:

Fatigue free listening with detail and good sound stage narrows it down a lot. These are impressions out of Clip+ / UHA-6S. Their combo with HM-601 is yet to be tested, so take it with a pinch of salt for now.

Radius DDM-2 ($200 new from Musica Acoustics, Japan - Contact via E-mail to see if they still sell it):

Details and Pros:

- Good bass and mids
- Well rounded presentation.

Cons:

- Not a great build quality
- Zero isolation
- Not as engaging on first listen
- Good but not great in terms of IEM ranking.

JVC FX700 ($250 used from Head-fi, $350+ new from Japan):

Details and Pros:

- Great open sound stage and excellent imaging
- Gorgeous wood housing ensures good build quality
- Best timbre I've heard from an IEM - even if it's not perfect for every instrument
- Well detailed but far from dry sound
- Bass with good extension
- Treble is also very good
- Technically as well as musically good IEM

Cons:

- Shorter cable (needs the bundled extension cable for normal length)
- Not much isolation
- Bass quantity necessitates loose fit and low volume to make it balanced sounding
- Lower mids are slightly recessed and sound slightly cold yet very good unless you are a big fan of vocals


Earsonics SM3 ($450-500? new, $300 from Head-fi):

Details and Pros:

- Slightly thick sound with centering of the vocalist / main player
- A head surrounding sound stage that is unique
- Engaging mids, good bass, fatigue free for all genres


Cons: Highly polarizing

- Comparing to other IEMs is a royal pain. Loves to be loved in solitude
- Has details but it never shows through due to the slight veil
- Treble seems recessed at first listen but once you get used to it, it's not missing much except the extension, sparkle. Is dark, but not by too much.
- Sound stage puts you at the center of action and placement is a bit weird next to the normal IEM stage
- v1 was badly built - like dfkt remarked "looks like a corn flake". v2 was better built
- Every genre sounds the same - Death metal to Classical. If you like the signature, you don't need anything else, but if not... :rolleyes:


Sony EX-1000 ($350 new in US):

Details and Pros:

- Perhaps the best quality bass I've heard - it manages to put a smile most times, but does not have great bass quantity
- Distant but engaging and sweet sounding mids
- Great sound stage size
- My favorite IEM for Classical and Jazz music
- Fast enough, effortless at times

Cons:

- Fit can be weird. I am fortunate enough to get a good fit most times
- Imaging does not use the full stage size like FX700. Imagine a half circle stage around you in a large hall. That's how it feels like
- A little thin sounding, not a con, but may be if thick sound is your preference.
- A little bit of upper mid/lower treble emphasis. With some sources, it does not show through. With some others (one mentioned HM601 as source and he disliked EX-1000), it can become fatiguing.

Hifiman RE262:

Details and Pros:

- Reverse of FX700, similar to SM3 and probably, SE53X. Very vocal centric. FX700 puts instruments ahead of vocals, while RE262 presents instruments as support act to vocals.
- Very effortless in presentation, good layering and sound stage which is out of the head
- Good dynamics

Cons:

- Not great looking, does not feel like $150 quality. Many failures reported in India.
- Due to higher impedance, needs an amp (not with HM-601, but) with sources like Clip+. Though it can work well out of Clip+ / J3, drains their battery in double quick time.
- Bass quantity is about ok, but quick decaying and hence not as much felt as it needs to be at times.
- Treble is slightly recessed next to well forward mids and hence treble detail is a little hard to hear
- Spatial positioning and layering is not always great. Not sure if it depends on source as I never owned it and have tried it only out of Clip+ mostly.

Triple.Fi 10:

Details and Pros:

- Excellent deep sound stage and imaging
- Unlike normal BAs, does not sound thin
- Bass punches hard, but not too much in quantity
- Sparkling treble
- Well detailed, but still lot of fun with it's slight V-Shape

Cons:

- Fit can be weird for some. Even if you get a great fit, it sticks out of the ears like an alien ear
- Mids are not it's strength. Like most BAs, does not sound natural. Most say that mids are lacking or too recessed, which is not how I hear it.
- Thicker sound makes the bass muddy at times

I will have to try what I have (EX-1000, SM3, FX700, TF10) and see how it goes with HM-601's headphone out.
 
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On Amp:

Unlike with other players, you do not need an amplifier with HM-601 as it is powerful enough to drive headphones. I specifically asked because of the HO's variation in frequency response with IEM's impedance.

In other words,

HM-601's Head phone out == Signature of 601 + Signature of IEM + variations introduced due to output impedance of the player

HM-601's Line out = Signature of 601 + Signature of IEM

The second one is a little easier to guess for me. But, for the first one, I need to try the IEMs themselves to see how they react - some don't show as much difference compared to being driven out of other sources, some vary wildly.

Let me repeat - you do not need an amp.

IEM:

Fatigue free listening with detail and good sound stage narrows it down a lot. These are impressions out of Clip+ / UHA-6S. Their combo with HM-601 is yet to be tested, so take it with a pinch of salt for now.

Radius DDM-2 ($200 new from Musica Acoustics, Japan - Contact via E-mail to see if they still sell it):

Details and Pros:

- Good bass and mids
- Well rounded presentation.

Cons:

- Not a great build quality
- Zero isolation
- Not as engaging on first listen
- Good but not great in terms of IEM ranking.

JVC FX700 ($250 used from Head-fi, $350+ new from Japan):

Details and Pros:

- Great open sound stage and excellent imaging
- Gorgeous wood housing ensures good build quality
- Best timbre I've heard from an IEM - even if it's not perfect for every instrument
- Well detailed but far from dry sound
- Bass with good extension
- Treble is also very good
- Technically as well as musically good IEM

Cons:

- Shorter cable (needs the bundled extension cable for normal length)
- Not much isolation
- Bass quantity necessitates loose fit and low volume to make it balanced sounding
- Lower mids are slightly recessed and sound slightly cold yet very good unless you are a big fan of vocals


Earsonics SM3 ($450-500? new, $300 from Head-fi):

Details and Pros:

- Slightly thick sound with centering of the vocalist / main player
- A head surrounding sound stage that is unique
- Engaging mids, good bass, fatigue free for all genres


Cons: Highly polarizing

- Comparing to other IEMs is a royal pain. Loves to be loved in solitude
- Has details but it never shows through due to the slight veil
- Treble seems recessed at first listen but once you get used to it, it's not missing much except the extension, sparkle. Is dark, but not by too much.
- Sound stage puts you at the center of action and placement is a bit weird next to the normal IEM stage
- v1 was badly built - like dfkt remarked "looks like a corn flake". v2 was better built
- Every genre sounds the same - Death metal to Classical. If you like the signature, you don't need anything else, but if not... :rolleyes:


Sony EX-1000 ($350 new in US):

Details and Pros:

- Perhaps the best quality bass I've heard - it manages to put a smile most times, but does not have great bass quantity
- Distant but engaging and sweet sounding mids
- Great sound stage size
- My favorite IEM for Classical and Jazz music
- Fast enough, effortless at times

Cons:

- Fit can be weird. I am fortunate enough to get a good fit most times
- Imaging does not use the full stage size like FX700. Imagine a half circle stage around you in a large hall. That's how it feels like
- A little thin sounding, not a con, but may be if thick sound is your preference.
- A little bit of upper mid/lower treble emphasis. With some sources, it does not show through. With some others (one mentioned HM601 as source and he disliked EX-1000), it can become fatiguing.

Hifiman RE262:

Details and Pros:

- Reverse of FX700, similar to SM3 and probably, SE53X. Very vocal centric. FX700 puts instruments ahead of vocals, while RE262 presents instruments as support act to vocals.
- Very effortless in presentation, good layering and sound stage which is out of the head
- Good dynamics

Cons:

- Not great looking, does not feel like $150 quality. Many failures reported in India.
- Due to higher impedance, needs an amp (not with HM-601, but) with sources like Clip+. Though it can work well out of Clip+ / J3, drains their battery in double quick time.
- Bass quantity is about ok, but quick decaying and hence not as much felt as it needs to be at times.
- Treble is slightly recessed next to well forward mids and hence treble detail is a little hard to hear
- Spatial positioning and layering is not always great. Not sure if it depends on source as I never owned it and have tried it only out of Clip+ mostly.

Triple.Fi 10:

Details and Pros:

- Excellent deep sound stage and imaging
- Unlike normal BAs, does not sound thin
- Bass punches hard, but not too much in quantity
- Sparkling treble
- Well detailed, but still lot of fun with it's slight V-Shape

Cons:

- Fit can be weird for some. Even if you get a great fit, it sticks out of the ears like an alien ear
- Mids are not it's strength. Like most BAs, does not sound natural. Most say that mids are lacking or too recessed, which is not how I hear it.
- Thicker sound makes the bass muddy at times

I will have to try what I have (EX-1000, SM3, FX700, TF10) and see how it goes with HM-601's headphone out.

How about RE-ZERO and RE-272? Now I am eying at RE-ZERO. Still not yet decided. And i am interested in RE262 and FX700. Still in confusion.
 
OT: Do not quote the entire post please! Needs too much scrolling!

Have sold RE-ZERO, so cannot say. Yet to try 272 with 601. Let me get back to you later on.

What other IEMs have you tried so far? Which ones you've liked or disliked? Otherwise, it will be a confusion for me to narrow down the suggestions as well.
 
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OT: Do not quote the entire post please! Needs too much scrolling!

Have sold RE-ZERO, so cannot say. Yet to try 272 with 601. Let me get back to you later on.

What other IEMs have you tried so far? Which ones you've liked or disliked? Otherwise, it will be a confusion for me to narrow down the suggestions as well.

I didnt try any IEMs. Concluded just from review. I really like to try FX700, RE-ZERO, RE-272/262. But didnt get an opportunity to try these IEMs.
 
OT: Do not quote the entire post please! Needs too much scrolling!

Have sold RE-ZERO, so cannot say. Yet to try 272 with 601. Let me get back to you later on.

What other IEMs have you tried so far? Which ones you've liked or disliked? Otherwise, it will be a confusion for me to narrow down the suggestions as well.

You had used RE-ZERO, how was experience. Did you enjoy?I had senheisser, creative but both are normal or the source that i had used is not up to level [Iphone, Sony]. I have short listed few. RE-ZERO, RE-262, FX700, DB-02. Is it available in India? If so it will reduce my waiting game. If not what are the online sites i have to buy. Except head direct.
 
That is what I asked - which IEMs you have used before and how did you find them?

Sennheiser and Creative - which models? Sony - which player in particular?
 
That is what I asked - which IEMs you have used before and how did you find them?

Sennheiser and Creative - which models? Sony - which player in particular?

Thanks Eswaran Santhosh. IEMs, both i dont remember the model name. Creative came with my Dell XPS1530M laptop and Senheisser I bought it from "Imagine" around 3K+. MP3 player is NW-E354 or lesser. Its a 5 year old player. I will again check the model no.s and post it again.
 
I would suppose those are lower end models and your disappointment may have more to do with the IEM than the player. Probably, EP-630 and CX400/500?

RE-ZERO by itself is a great upgrade to those if my assumption is right. But, like all "upgrades", everything is not straight - you'd lose on the bass quantity for sure. But, in return, you'll get excellent clarity in the mids and more importantly in the treble region. Sound stage of RE-ZERO is not huge, but if you are comparing it to EP630, it should be much, much better. Instrument separation should be much better.

RE262 and 272 are very good, but I'd get back to you after trying 272 with 601.

FX700 does go well with 601.

FXT90 is something you can consider too. It is less than half the price of FX700. But, FXT90 has some of the elements which makes FX700 good, of course at a lower level of performance. It comes off as something smooth, while FX700 can be termed as a bit more aggressive in approach to the presentation. It won't have as much bass quantity or sound stage, but does have a relatively forward mid range making it 'musical' from another perspective.

I still need to try everything with 601 HO to see how they respond.
 
I would suppose those are lower end models and your disappointment may have more to do with the IEM than the player. Probably, EP-630 and CX400/500?

Your are right. Its a low end model. Today i got my 601. I tried to connect to my laptop. My system not detecting 601. I am using vista. Any help will be appreciated.
 
You may do a firmware upgrade. I use Win7 and it is easily detected but I prefer loading the songs on a SD card.
 
You may do a firmware upgrade. I use Win7 and it is easily detected but I prefer loading the songs on a SD card.

I reset the DAP. Now working fine. Is firmware upgrade available? Mine showing .7 version i think. If so where will i get upgrade?
 
I think v0.07 is the latest version. See here - HM-601 and HM-602 new firmware

I got my hm601 yesterday. I tried today. Its not bad at all. May be i havent heard a better DAP. This is my first Costly DAP. I had iphone 3g, 4g as well as two different sony MP3 player. My first MP3 player is sony , one which looks like a tube. It was superb. Now i am looking for a better IEM. I paired hm601 with my creative ear phone. It sounds good. I havent heard like that from my previous player. Santhosh waiting for your inputs. Anyone who knows where to buy sansa clip+ in chennai?
 
It definitely sounds melodious in the midrange. Very musical player (although not very good at the edges of the spectrum). Love to listen to it a for prolonged non fatiguing listen.
 
@AudioDoc and badri,

How many hours of battery life do you get out of HM-601 from a full charge? I just tried the loaner and it is somewhere between 7-8 hrs.

@badri,

I will try pairing different IEMs with HM-601 tomorrow.

Since matbhuvi mentioned that it settles in with time, I am trying to see what a 'player burn-in' (when burning in an earphone) could do. I plan to do the whole 100 hour burn-in, but in the middle, will check it out tomorrow with IEMs and give it a small break.
 
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