rankesh
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Thanks a lot Arijit
Need HTIB 25k-27k in Kolkata and info about Onkyo 3200
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HI ARIJIT,
To look for info about the onkyo 3300, please look in the onkyo asia pacific site (google it). Because the indian site is not yet updated. It is well within your budget. I picked it up 4 days back for 23000.you can download the manual too.
Agreed the bass is not as clean as the 6200 which i guess has a powered sub. I demod it when i went to pick up the 3300. but i found the 3300 to be adequately deep.
The 3200 is not future proof as the hdmi is just pass thru, and sound from say the WDTV has to be output thro' the optical out, and video thro, the hdmi port.
The 3300 has no such issue.It decodes hdmi1.4A.
i would say the onkyo would be a superior buy to the logitech and definitely worth the added cost
my personal opinion: To spend more money for a higher end system, does not necessarily mean you get better sound. mind you i am not blaming the system. but to make out the difference between a system that costs 25k and 35k or even 50 k, so many factors, like the quality of source audio, room acoustics and insulation come into play. even with all these factors balanced perfectly the difference cannot be drastically different if you are not a audiophile.
As for RMS RATINGS, I think 130w of rms power is more than sufficient for the sub if your room is within 14 feet by 16 feet with a reasonable amount of curtains and carpets
To look for info about the onkyo 3300, please look in the onkyo asia pacific site (google it). Because the indian site is not yet updated. It is well within your budget. I picked it up 4 days back for 23000.you can download the manual too.
Agreed the bass is not as clean as the 6200 which i guess has a powered sub. I demod it when i went to pick up the 3300. but i found the 3300 to be adequately deep.
The 3200 is not future proof as the hdmi is just pass thru, and sound from say the WDTV has to be output thro' the optical out, and video thro, the hdmi port.
The 3300 has no such issue.It decodes hdmi1.4A.
i would say the onkyo would be a superior buy to the logitech and definitely worth the added cost
my personal opinion: To spend more money for a higher end system, does not necessarily mean you get better sound. mind you i am not blaming the system. but to make out the difference between a system that costs 25k and 35k or even 50 k, so many factors, like the quality of source audio, room acoustics and insulation come into play. even with all these factors balanced perfectly the difference cannot be drastically different if you are not a audiophile.
As for RMS RATINGS, I think 130w of rms power is more than sufficient for the sub if your room is within 14 feet by 16 feet with a reasonable amount of curtains and carpets
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dude could you write a detailed review of the 3300 based on your personnal experience?
sanjub22
Member
Visit SKS Traders , opposite Calcutta Motor Vehicles , Pdmapulkur for Cambridge Audio Products .
Call Mr. Subha Pathak at 9831163529 for an apointment .
I bought almost all my hifi gears from Kolkata. Never faced this. Other Kolkata member may correct me.
1. For Wharfedale, MA, MS, Dali, Dynaudio, Quad, Epos, Arcam,CA, Norge
Visit SKS Traders
2.For Onkyo,B&W
Visit Promises. Dont call, better you go personally.
3. For Tanoy, Dali, Yamaha
Visit Digital Acoustics -- Hindustan Park Garia Haat
4. For Denon,KEF,Focal,Polk visit Profx --- again on Griahat.
5. For exclusive Yamaha product visit Impressia House, 77B Karaya Road (Near Park Circus 5 point crossing) , Ph :- 22903061-64
6. For Pioneer, Paradigm, Roth Audio, MJ Acoustics visit Japonica 2/7
Sarat Bose Road, Kolkata 700020
033 24743968
Tell me if you need some more 'option' in Kolkata .
Thanks for the info sanjub22, 
Now these are overflowing option.
Will call SKS about the S70 Floor stander...let see what they can offer ?
Is Digital Acoustics are the dealer of Denon ? Any contact.no/e-mail will be great as well as address.
Update:- Today when returning home...I decided to check just the location(only) of the SKS Traders and find the shop very easily but to my surprise it was close when all other shop are open even garments shop just Top floor of the SKS.I'm passing on there 7.15pm-7.30p.m.
Now these are overflowing option.Will call SKS about the S70 Floor stander...let see what they can offer ?
Is Digital Acoustics are the dealer of Denon ? Any contact.no/e-mail will be great as well as address.
Update:- Today when returning home...I decided to check just the location(only) of the SKS Traders and find the shop very easily but to my surprise it was close when all other shop are open even garments shop just Top floor of the SKS.I'm passing on there 7.15pm-7.30p.m.
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corElement
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17k was not for a piece, it was for a pair of s70 towers.
Stick to the 3300.
The sub of the 3300 is different from 3200 and 3100 ( these subs have to be set to 40hz crossover to not sound muddy which you can do via crossover )
Stick to the 3300.
The sub of the 3300 is different from 3200 and 3100 ( these subs have to be set to 40hz crossover to not sound muddy which you can do via crossover )
sanjub22
Member
Thanks for the info sanjub22,
Will call SKS about the S70 Floor stander...let see what they can offer ?
Is Digital Acoustics are the dealer of Denon ? Any contact.no/e-mail will be great as well as address.
Update:- Today when returning home...I decided to check just the location(only) of the SKS Traders and find the shop very easily but to my surprise it was close when all other shop are open even garments shop just Top floor of the SKS.I'm passing on there 7.15pm-7.30p.m.
For Denon , better visit Profx. They are the official dealer of Denon.
Pro Fx
16/2 Hindustan Road, Gariahat
Kolkata 700029
Tel: + 91 33 24669301/05
Cant tell you the exact address of Digital Acoustics but it is very close to the above address. Both of these shops are very close to each other.
hey guys i checked out the onkyo asia website for the 3300 details and found there is another model 3305 listed there along with 3300. i couldnt make out the difference except for the speakers which have a glossy finish. can the experts have a look and tell us whats the difference between the two? and anyone has any news on the 3305 coming to india?
^^^17k was not for a piece, it was for a pair of s70 towers.
Thanks.....
I'm thinking, what about these ONKYO SIGHT & SOUND - INDIA ?
Are those not equivalent of S70 Floor Stander ? I think if CA S70 not sync the audio properly with other onkyo speaker then what
? If I choose this both are from the same company .If I pick this..even I can get audition with 3300 maybe...
don't know both are same price category also.....
corElement
Well-Known Member
You dont have to worry about sync issues unless you put very long wire, in which case youll need high quality wires which I doubt youll have to.
Just go for 3300 at this time, get s70 later when your upgrade v2 hits.
Just go for 3300 at this time, get s70 later when your upgrade v2 hits.
hi guys:
I am no expert, So it's only my impression about the perfomance of the 3300.
The connections:
I've yet to purchase a lcd tv. So for now itis only a crtv.
Laptop>ethernet>Xtreamer>Audio
ptical,Video:Composite>3300>Composite>TV.
External HDD>DVD player>Audio:coaxial,Video:Composite>3300>TV.
Content:
Mp3 Music (256kbps): I had kept the music optimiser on. This feature supposedly aids in increasing the naturality of compressed files.Sound was crisp and clear.Adjusting the bass and treble did not make a marked difference.Bass was very deep and rumbly with the Audyssey dynamic EQ on. So i turned it off and kept only the exbass on.That sounded more balanced. The dolby prologic 2 setting provided with good immersive surround. But i preffered the neo 6 music setting. Mids were more vivid in this setting. which is good for hindi or tamil music. The Audyssey dynamic EQ turned on worked well at lower volumes accentuating the bass nicely while the volume was acceptable to my wife who dosen't care much for loud music.At high volumes, needless to say ther was no distortion.
5.1 Movie files:I spun Avatar,Hitman,Star trek 2010,Alice in wonderland. Myimpression is that Dolby digital is much more vivid as compared to DTS. Star trek sounded the best. As the spaceships enter warpspeed the bang was powerful and the vibrations reverbrated through the room much like a theatre.During the weapon shootouts the pings and wooshes of the beams and bullets were well spaced out ricocheting between all the speakers. I had to turn down the volume quite often to avoid waking the neighbourhood. But sound did not distort. Again Audyssey dynamic EQ was turned off to avoid the bass muffling up the mids too much. Avatar sounder very good the bringing down of the tree and the battle finale were very much the way i experienced these scenes in the imax dome.
Attenuating the different settings, increasing the bass , increasing the subwoofer level, adjusting the speaker distance settings and bringing the soundstage backward or forward did not yield much of a difference. My room is small 10 by 10. maybe that's why. But increasing the treble, Increasing the centre speaker level, turning on the exbass and turning on the audyssey dyanamic eq on resulted in perceptible difference. Increasing the centre speaker level acentuated voice in movie playback very well. A boon for guys like me who have a little difficulty in following the american accent in fast dialogues. during all the playback i felt a need only to bring down the bass a little bit. and never wanted to turn it up. so i guess the sub is doing it's job all right.
The manual says that the avr can handle speakers with a 6 to 16 ohms load, and can take up a powered sub. So it is good for future upgrades i guess.Rigging the system was a piece of cake.
Small grouses: There is no net over the sub's driver and since it faces the floor, it can pick up a lot of cobwebs.The centre speaker does not sit tight over the tv since it's base is curved. Better to mount it.Does not have analog 5 channel in. But all dvd players come with coaxial out i guess. does not have a RCA jack type sub out. so am a little confused about how to connect it to a powered sub. From the speaker terminals of the sub out is it? somebody enlighten me please.This is important because the first upgrade any one would want to go for would be to buy a powered sub. The manual itself claims that the sound reproduction with a powered sub would be superior. I myself demoed the 6200 and found the bass cleaner though not necessarily deeper.
I guess that's about it. any more queries feel free to ask.
I am no expert, So it's only my impression about the perfomance of the 3300.
The connections:
I've yet to purchase a lcd tv. So for now itis only a crtv.
Laptop>ethernet>Xtreamer>Audio
ptical,Video:Composite>3300>Composite>TV.External HDD>DVD player>Audio:coaxial,Video:Composite>3300>TV.
Content:
Mp3 Music (256kbps): I had kept the music optimiser on. This feature supposedly aids in increasing the naturality of compressed files.Sound was crisp and clear.Adjusting the bass and treble did not make a marked difference.Bass was very deep and rumbly with the Audyssey dynamic EQ on. So i turned it off and kept only the exbass on.That sounded more balanced. The dolby prologic 2 setting provided with good immersive surround. But i preffered the neo 6 music setting. Mids were more vivid in this setting. which is good for hindi or tamil music. The Audyssey dynamic EQ turned on worked well at lower volumes accentuating the bass nicely while the volume was acceptable to my wife who dosen't care much for loud music.At high volumes, needless to say ther was no distortion.
5.1 Movie files:I spun Avatar,Hitman,Star trek 2010,Alice in wonderland. Myimpression is that Dolby digital is much more vivid as compared to DTS. Star trek sounded the best. As the spaceships enter warpspeed the bang was powerful and the vibrations reverbrated through the room much like a theatre.During the weapon shootouts the pings and wooshes of the beams and bullets were well spaced out ricocheting between all the speakers. I had to turn down the volume quite often to avoid waking the neighbourhood. But sound did not distort. Again Audyssey dynamic EQ was turned off to avoid the bass muffling up the mids too much. Avatar sounder very good the bringing down of the tree and the battle finale were very much the way i experienced these scenes in the imax dome.
Attenuating the different settings, increasing the bass , increasing the subwoofer level, adjusting the speaker distance settings and bringing the soundstage backward or forward did not yield much of a difference. My room is small 10 by 10. maybe that's why. But increasing the treble, Increasing the centre speaker level, turning on the exbass and turning on the audyssey dyanamic eq on resulted in perceptible difference. Increasing the centre speaker level acentuated voice in movie playback very well. A boon for guys like me who have a little difficulty in following the american accent in fast dialogues. during all the playback i felt a need only to bring down the bass a little bit. and never wanted to turn it up. so i guess the sub is doing it's job all right.
The manual says that the avr can handle speakers with a 6 to 16 ohms load, and can take up a powered sub. So it is good for future upgrades i guess.Rigging the system was a piece of cake.
Small grouses: There is no net over the sub's driver and since it faces the floor, it can pick up a lot of cobwebs.The centre speaker does not sit tight over the tv since it's base is curved. Better to mount it.Does not have analog 5 channel in. But all dvd players come with coaxial out i guess. does not have a RCA jack type sub out. so am a little confused about how to connect it to a powered sub. From the speaker terminals of the sub out is it? somebody enlighten me please.This is important because the first upgrade any one would want to go for would be to buy a powered sub. The manual itself claims that the sound reproduction with a powered sub would be superior. I myself demoed the 6200 and found the bass cleaner though not necessarily deeper.
I guess that's about it. any more queries feel free to ask.
Thanks a lot igp_79 for ur nice input....a very good/sufficient review for layman like me.
Yes, the question of the sub is also in my mind.....All sub if u need to upgrade is Active/power sub and all comes with RCA-In. Experts please let us know how can anyone upgrade the sub with 3300 AVR.
Else I found 5300/6200 AVR are Bi-Directional AMP....So they can use as 9-ch sound <--I don't sound here that it is important but it also a good feature.
If I go with 5300/6200 now & upgrade CA S70 Floor stander (which is also Bi-Directional Spkr) later I don't have to discard any spkr.
So if 5300 is out of my budget (76k read somewhere),then I'll go with 6200 which have good sub/good spkr (read all Amazon review) and add S70 Floor Stand later in bi-directional mode.......I think it's a killer config noob like me.
Following Sacrifice if I choose 6200 :- HDMI 1.4a, On TV/Screen config, Audio Return Channel (I don't know what it is)
About Amazon Review :- 6200 praise all ....very good spkr sound out-of-the-Box.....and powerful sub like Logitech Z5500.
5300 have powerfull sub.....spkr average,AVR have problem restarting/hanging/heating issue....detecting spkr have problem,humming sub.
What u say ?
Yes, the question of the sub is also in my mind.....All sub if u need to upgrade is Active/power sub and all comes with RCA-In. Experts please let us know how can anyone upgrade the sub with 3300 AVR.
Else I found 5300/6200 AVR are Bi-Directional AMP....So they can use as 9-ch sound <--I don't sound here that it is important but it also a good feature.
If I go with 5300/6200 now & upgrade CA S70 Floor stander (which is also Bi-Directional Spkr) later I don't have to discard any spkr.
So if 5300 is out of my budget (76k read somewhere),then I'll go with 6200 which have good sub/good spkr (read all Amazon review) and add S70 Floor Stand later in bi-directional mode.......I think it's a killer config noob like me.
Following Sacrifice if I choose 6200 :- HDMI 1.4a, On TV/Screen config, Audio Return Channel (I don't know what it is)
About Amazon Review :- 6200 praise all ....very good spkr sound out-of-the-Box.....and powerful sub like Logitech Z5500.
5300 have powerfull sub.....spkr average,AVR have problem restarting/hanging/heating issue....detecting spkr have problem,humming sub.
What u say ?
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anirvanbhadra
New Member
Hi Sanjub
Do you get Norge amps also at SKS?
1. For Wharfedale, MA, MS, Dali, Dynaudio, Quad, Epos, Arcam,CA, Norge
Visit SKS Traders
Do you get Norge amps also at SKS?
1. For Wharfedale, MA, MS, Dali, Dynaudio, Quad, Epos, Arcam,CA, Norge
Visit SKS Traders
sanjub22
Member
Can you please call them once for Norge. I guess I have seen that. For Arcam,Creek,CA,NAD etc I am sure they have.
Arijit,
The audio return channel means the same hdmi cable acts as an audio out, if
your tv's hdmi port is also 1.4a. But for all intents and purposes you can get audio out via the red and white rca jacks and plug it into the analog 2ch audio in of your avr. But for some reason you connect your HD dth set top box directly to your tv(why would you do that?!) the avr would recieve 5.1 channel sound from your cable's hd content to your avr via the tv.
Now i have connected the 3300 to my tv via composite only. so i am navigating the menu of the avr thro' it's display only. that is not difficult at all. So you can do well without the tv screen display. if 6200 is within the budjet go for it.
Thanks igp_79......
AFAIK HDMI ver 1.3 also carried Video + Audio....isn't it ? Or 1.3 only carried 2 channel audio ?
And question about getting 5.1 audio from HD DTH STB,it can be done by routing audio from the STB to AVR by using Optical/Coax connection
(Please experts correct me here)...and now a days every HD DTH STB come with optical/coax out.
Yes, I'm thinking 6200 for my final choice...(complete the reading of e-manual) .....I read amazon/newegg review that every customer who bought this set is very satisfied out-of-the-box sound.....of course they are newbie...and so I am :lol:.
At present I have old WDTV & Onida's DVD player with Coax out (which don't have HDMI) Desktop PC with HDMI out + Optical-out Sound...
After reading the whole manual of 6200....
..I'm thinking why I route my video source to the AVR...it won't upscale or anything....then why ?
What I need to do route the audio source to the AVR with Coax and Optical cable. 6200 have 2 input each of them.
Only Coax + Optical can only transfer Dolby,DTS,PL2,5.1....etc etc (all the main goodies) from the source.
So I plan this way:---
Sound:-
PC--->Optical--->6200 AVR
WDTV-->Optical--->6200 AVR
Onida DVD--->Coax--->6200 AVR
Still 1 Coax-In is free.
Video:-
PC--->HDMI--->TV
WDTV--->HDMI--->TV
Onida DVD--->Component(Red,Green,Blue)--->TV
In this way I can save unnecessary cable cost + clutter
Hope I don't miss anything.......except the on-screen AVR config which all 2010 model can offer but I live without that.
BTW:-
My TV back panel and all are 1.3a
TV have input:-
3 HDMI 1.3a + 1 HDMI side
2 Component In + L/R RCA Audio In
3.5' Audio In
LAN In
PC-15Pin D-Sub VGA In
1 Composite In Side
2 USB In Side
Output:-
3.5' Audio Out
Optical Out
igp_79 said:
AFAIK HDMI ver 1.3 also carried Video + Audio....isn't it ? Or 1.3 only carried 2 channel audio ?
And question about getting 5.1 audio from HD DTH STB,it can be done by routing audio from the STB to AVR by using Optical/Coax connection
(Please experts correct me here)...and now a days every HD DTH STB come with optical/coax out.
Yes, I'm thinking 6200 for my final choice...(complete the reading of e-manual) .....I read amazon/newegg review that every customer who bought this set is very satisfied out-of-the-box sound.....of course they are newbie...and so I am
:lol:.At present I have old WDTV & Onida's DVD player with Coax out (which don't have HDMI) Desktop PC with HDMI out + Optical-out Sound...
After reading the whole manual of 6200....
..I'm thinking why I route my video source to the AVR...it won't upscale or anything....then why ?
What I need to do route the audio source to the AVR with Coax and Optical cable. 6200 have 2 input each of them.
Only Coax + Optical can only transfer Dolby,DTS,PL2,5.1....etc etc (all the main goodies) from the source.
So I plan this way:---
Sound:-
PC--->Optical--->6200 AVR
WDTV-->Optical--->6200 AVR
Onida DVD--->Coax--->6200 AVR
Still 1 Coax-In is free.
Video:-
PC--->HDMI--->TV
WDTV--->HDMI--->TV
Onida DVD--->Component(Red,Green,Blue)--->TV
In this way I can save unnecessary cable cost + clutter
Hope I don't miss anything.......except the on-screen AVR config which all 2010 model can offer but I live without that.
BTW:-
My TV back panel and all are 1.3a
TV have input:-
3 HDMI 1.3a + 1 HDMI side
2 Component In + L/R RCA Audio In
3.5' Audio In
LAN In
PC-15Pin D-Sub VGA In
1 Composite In Side
2 USB In Side
Output:-
3.5' Audio Out
Optical Out
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ontherocks
New Member
Optical or Coax cannot handle lossless multichannel audio. (So not all the main goodies)
Guys.BTW, I found out about how to connect an active sub to the 3300. I am sure a lot of you guys already know. But i raised the query myself sometime back and just to set the record straight: The cables out of the front speaker terminals of the avr are passed into the active sub's speaker in. The crossover freq is chosen and the freqs above these are pushed out thro the sub's speakers out. I demoed such a sub(290w RMS) from pure acoustics today(price 19xxx). In the avr you set the speakers to large. it sounded as good as the 6200 system.
Today,
I'm able to reach at Promise Instruments(leading dealer in kolkata).......hoping for something good
and returned with shocking news.......
:argue:
that 6200 is no more....in product line. they got 8 sets in their stock, the last set was delivered 3 days ago....even I don't believe,he show me the billing invoice(carbon copy).
Only option right now 5300 which will be available for demo next Monday with 52k price tag.
At fast sale person gave the leaflet and said 6200 is not ready for demo then continue with previous customer, when he returned I declare I can pick the set without demo and want to finalize the deal....then he go upstairs and came back couple min later with above statement, he claim 6200 replaced by 5300 then I argue 5300 is replacement for 5205....he also admit the 6200 is the best among entry-level HTIB.
Anyhow he took my no...If anything happen about 6200 he will call,but chances are Zero. He also said he know 6200 lying somewhere but he don't want to sell as that was open package.
Now I'm stuck. Thank You.
I'm able to reach at Promise Instruments(leading dealer in kolkata).......hoping for something good
and returned with shocking news.......
:argue:that 6200 is no more....in product line. they got 8 sets in their stock, the last set was delivered 3 days ago....even I don't believe,he show me the billing invoice(carbon copy).
Only option right now 5300 which will be available for demo next Monday with 52k price tag.
At fast sale person gave the leaflet and said 6200 is not ready for demo then continue with previous customer, when he returned I declare I can pick the set without demo and want to finalize the deal....then he go upstairs and came back couple min later with above statement, he claim 6200 replaced by 5300 then I argue 5300 is replacement for 5205....he also admit the 6200 is the best among entry-level HTIB.
Anyhow he took my no...If anything happen about 6200 he will call,but chances are Zero. He also said he know 6200 lying somewhere but he don't want to sell as that was open package.
Now I'm stuck. Thank You.
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