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[ghatgepatil]

Budget is not a very big concern, because if I wait for a couple of more months, I will be able to save some money. But all I am worried about is, is it worth spending hard earned money for a speaker which isn't any better than some other speaker which is cheaper. If it is worth buying then I am happy to save and buy. Need some expert advice if I should spend more to get a good system for a room of 15x20 size.

Coming to the size of the room, the HT room is in first floor. And it is directly above the living room which in ground floor. So, I can't change the dimensions of the room, it will be similar in dimensions as the living room in ground floor.

If this be the case, then working to a figure that is closest to your budget, agree to a few suggestions already given by a few. Consider Sonodyne's 5.1. Go for their premium FS pair with the centre to begin with, then add their surround pair a bit later, followed by their sub as amd when you have saved for them. For AVRs, Denon 1713/Yamaha 473/Pioneer 522 would just be fine.

 

[vnmathur57]

I bought the entire setup over a period of 3 months- a mistake! Full speaker set was available in January for 44K on 26% discount, but I bought only the FS thinking that I shall add some novelties later. But once you have spent 80% on TV/Screen, AVR , Fronts & Centre, there is no point keeping that 20% pending. Since you are aiming for a Movie setup mainly, not 2.0 Stereo, better make it in one go. I overspent 8k on speakers alone due to staggered buy. Sharing my experience only, no pun intended on anybody.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

If this be the case, then working to a figure that is closest to your budget, agree to a few suggestions already given by a few. Consider Sonodyne's 5.1. Go for their premium FS pair with the centre to begin with, then add their surround pair a bit later, followed by their sub as amd when you have saved for them. For AVRs, Denon 1713/Yamaha 473/Pioneer 522 would just be fine.

When you say premium FS from Sonodyne, do you mean Sonodyne Sonus 2605 ???
And, I can hardly find any information about their dealers in Hyderabad. I should mail them once I finalize my decision.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

I bought the entire setup over a period of 3 months- a mistake! Full speaker set was available in January for 44K on 26% discount, but I bought only the FS thinking that I shall add some novelties later. But once you have spent 80% on TV/Screen, AVR , Fronts & Centre, there is no point keeping that 20% pending. Since you are aiming for a Movie setup mainly, not 2.0 Stereo, better make it in one go. I overspent 8k on speakers alone due to staggered buy. Sharing my experience only, no pun intended on anybody.

I am waiting for some offers to come up, so that I can get the complete package. Wasn't able to find any dealer information in Hyderabad. I will main them once the finalize my decision.

 

[vnmathur57]

Check Hi Fi Mart. Also, consider 2605 instead of 2504 as fronts.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

Check Hi Fi Mart. Also, consider 2605 instead of 2504 as fronts.

HiFiMart has all the Sonodyne speakers ..... but, there are no discounts :indifferent14:. However, I will keep watching that space, some day there will be an offer :licklips:

 

[deep_blues]

HiFiMart has all the Sonodyne speakers ..... but, there are no discounts :indifferent14:. However, I will keep watching that space, some day there will be an offer :licklips:

Forum members can use coupon code SONODYNE on checkout to avail a flat 10% OFF the listed price at India's audio video home theatre and hi-fi shopping mart

OFFER valid till stocks last!

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Brand New in Box

 

[krishnakanth_590]

Forum members can use coupon code SONODYNE on checkout to avail a flat 10% OFF the listed price at India's audio video home theatre and hi-fi shopping mart

OFFER valid till stocks last!

Warranty: 1 Year (directly from the manufacturer)

FREE shipping to buyer anywhere in India

Brand New in Box

Really !!!!
I never knew that . I am not sure if Sonodyne speakers are available to audition/buy in Hyderabad. In that case, it is good to buy here with 10% discount.
Will there be any discount on other products as well ?? or is this only on Sonodyne products ???

 

[deep_blues]

Really !!!!
I never knew that . I am not sure if Sonodyne speakers are available to audition/buy in Hyderabad. In that case, it is good to buy here with 10% discount.
Will there be any discount on other products as well ?? or is this only on Sonodyne products ???

The on going offers are mentioned on top of the home page. Scroll down from top to take a look.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

I need one more clarification .... suppose I decide to buy Sonodyne Sonus 2605 which has rated RMA power of 130W, which receiver should I choose ? Should I choose a receiver which outputs more than or equal to 130W. I am planning to get Yamaha RX-V373, whose specification as shown in their website is as below:
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5-channel 500W = 100W x 5 (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9 % THD)
675W = 135W x 5 (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10 % THD, JEITA)
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Will this receiver work fine with the speakers I mentioned.And, what is the difference between the first and second line of the specification. Can someone please explain the concept. I searched online, but it wasn't clear.

 

[tanmayj]

I need one more clarification .... suppose I decide to buy Sonodyne Sonus 2605 which has rated RMA power of 130W, which receiver should I choose ? Should I choose a receiver which outputs more than or equal to 130W. I am planning to get Yamaha RX-V373, whose specification as shown in their website is as below:
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5-channel 500W = 100W x 5 (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9 % THD)
675W = 135W x 5 (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10 % THD, JEITA)
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Will this receiver work fine with the speakers I mentioned.And, what is the difference between the first and second line of the specification. Can someone please explain the concept. I searched online, but it wasn't clear.

Yes you should go for an amp >= 130W

IEC and JETIA are two standards of measurement.

Basically as you pump up the wattage the distortion increases. Thats why you have less wattage at 0.9% THD and more wattage at 10% THD. One more point to note that this is at 6 ohm. If you connect 4 ohm speakers wattage will be more. For 8 ohm speakers wattage will be less.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

Yes you should go for an amp >= 130W

IEC and JETIA are two standards of measurement.

Basically as you pump up the wattage the distortion increases. Thats why you have less wattage at 0.9% THD and more wattage at 10% THD. One more point to note that this is at 6 ohm. If you connect 4 ohm speakers wattage will be more. For 8 ohm speakers wattage will be less.

Yeah .... the Sonodyne speakers have 8ohm impedance. Yamaha rx-v373 which outputs 100W at 6 ohm will output even lesser power (i guess 75W at 8 ohm) which is seriously underpowered for a 130W speaker. Even if I stretch my budget and get Yamaha RX-473 which will output 115W at 6 ohm, even that is underpowered (All the above mentioned powers are at 0.9% THD).

What should I do now ?

Should I ignore all these confusing numbers and go for which ever pair I want :lol:
or
Should I go for some other brand speakers which have lesser power like Wharfedale Vardus 300 (Recommended Amp:20-120W) or 400 which are rated 6 ohm which match with Yamaha receiver specs ?

 

[Rupam]

It is always recommended to keep some headroom for amp power so that the speakers don't get breathless. Suppose your speakers are rated 80 Watt RMS then you should go for at-least 120 Watt Amp. Big floorstanders backed by serious power reserves will typically play louder and with lower distortion than small monitors, even those backed by a sub.

So you need to keep a parity between speaker and AVR. I suggest you to get a pair of floorstanders and an AVR for the moment. Then you can add other speakers later when you have the liquidity. (as you said that you don't wanna burden your father.

There are other speaker options from Polk. They have very good floorstanders. But you need to audition them for your preference. BTW Profx is offering Finance for AV at 0% interest > http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/43438-profx-offering-finance-av-0-int.html

Look at Wharfedale Obsidian 600 and Denon 1713 combo.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

It is always recommended to keep some headroom for amp power so that the speakers don't get breathless. Suppose your speakers are rated 80 Watt RMS then you should go for at-least 120 Watt Amp. Big floorstanders backed by serious power reserves will typically play louder and with lower distortion than small monitors, even those backed by a sub.

So you need to keep a parity between speaker and AVR. I suggest you to get a pair of floorstanders and an AVR for the moment. Then you can add other speakers later when you have the liquidity. (as you said that you don't wanna burden your father.

There are other speaker options from Polk. They have very good floorstanders. But you need to audition them for your preference. BTW Profx is offering Finance for AV at 0% interest > http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/43438-profx-offering-finance-av-0-int.html

Look at Wharfedale Obsidian 600 and Denon 1713 combo.

Thanks rupam !
By the way, checked out some Yamaha Speakers like NS8900,NS-F150 and the nominal (RMS) power is mentioned as 80W and 50W respectively which is significantly less than the power mentioned for other speaker of Sonodyne, Polk Audio etc.

Is it a wise idea to get complete Yamaha package like Yamaha rx-v373 + Yamaha NS8900 and center and surround speakers from Yamaha, without worrying much about the number (as they are from the same brand, I hope they will sound well together).

When I checked polk audio Tsi400 and Tsi300 speakers they were rated 200W,150W @ 8 ohms respectively which is very high.

I thought building HT is going to be very simple :yahoo:. But as I gain more knowledge about new brands,technical terms, more and more numbers it is getting tougher and tougher :sad:

 

[tanmayj]

Thanks rupam !
By the way, checked out some Yamaha Speakers like NS8900,NS-F150 and the nominal (RMS) power is mentioned as 80W and 50W respectively which is significantly less than the power mentioned for other speaker of Sonodyne, Polk Audio etc.

Is it a wise idea to get complete Yamaha package like Yamaha rx-v373 + Yamaha NS8900 and center and surround speakers from Yamaha, without worrying much about the number (as they are from the same brand, I hope they will sound well together).

When I checked polk audio Tsi400 and Tsi300 speakers they were rated 200W,150W @ 8 ohms respectively which is very high.

I thought building HT is going to be very simple :yahoo:. But as I gain more knowledge about new brands,technical terms, more and more numbers it is getting tougher and tougher :sad:

The Polks ratings are peak - not RMS - that's why they seem high.

Besides the TSi 400s (dunno about the 300s) have a high sensitivity rating which allows slightly underpowered amps to drive them.

I'm using TSi 400s without any issues with Onkyo 616.

 

[Nishanth]

The Yamaha RX-V373 will have no problem driving the Sonodyne speaker you mentioned. Speakers can operate safely in a wide range of power ratings mentioned by the speaker manufacturer, so you can pair a AVR to a floorstander if the AVR falls in this power rating range mentioned by the speaker's manufacturer.

For example the Polk TSi300 has a maximum power rating of 150W like you mentioned but Polk mentions that it has an operating range of 20-150 watts. This means that an Yamaha RX-V373 will have no problem driving these speakers. But if the amp falls below the recommend power rating range of the speaker then there is chance for the speakers to get damaged.

They is no rule that the speaker's power rating and the amps or AVR's power rating should be equal or that the amp should be rated higher than the speaker's power rating. There is no harm is using a amp with a higher power rating than the speaker in normal listening conditions. The only risk is if you turn up the volume too high then the amp will damage the speakers, as the amp will supply more power than what the speaker can handle. But this is not a problem in most setups as no one listens at such high volume levels.

If your going for a speaker with a higher power rating than the amp then you should also look at the sensitivity rating of a speaker. If a speaker has a sensitivity close to 90 or above then it is considered as a good sensitivity rating, which means that the speaker is very efficient in using the power supplied from the amp. A speaker with a good sensitivity can be easily driven even with a amp or AVR of lower power rating. Most of the speakers you have short listed have a sensitivity of around 89 or 90, so it should be a good match with the Yamaha RX-V373. For the Yamaha RX-V373 stick to speakers with power rating of around 150W or lower.

There are a lot of members who use floorstanders with power rating higher than their AVR, so do a search and you will find reviews of setups like these.

If your still confused, go to a showroom and have a demo of a AVR + Floorstanding speakers setup

 

[krishnakanth_590]

The Yamaha RX-V373 will have no problem driving the Sonodyne speaker you mentioned. Speakers can operate safely in a wide range of power ratings mentioned by the speaker manufacturer, so you can pair a AVR to a floorstander if the AVR falls in this power rating range mentioned by the speaker's manufacturer.

For example the Polk TSi300 has a maximum power rating of 150W like you mentioned but Polk mentions that it has an operating range of 20-150 watts. This means that an Yamaha RX-V373 will have no problem driving these speakers. But if the amp falls below the recommend power rating range of the speaker then there is chance for the speakers to get damaged.

They is no rule that the speaker's power rating and the amps or AVR's power rating should be equal or that the amp should be rated higher than the speaker's power rating. There is no harm is using a amp with a higher power rating than the speaker in normal listening conditions. The only risk is if you turn up the volume too high then the amp will damage the speakers, as the amp will supply more power than what the speaker can handle. But this is not a problem in most setups as no one listens at such high volume levels.

If your going for a speaker with a higher power rating than the amp then you should also look at the sensitivity rating of a speaker. If a speaker has a sensitivity close to 90 or above then it is considered as a good sensitivity rating, which means that the speaker is very efficient in using the power supplied from the amp. A speaker with a good sensitivity can be easily driven even with a amp or AVR of lower power rating. Most of the speakers you have short listed have a sensitivity of around 89 or 90, so it should be a good match with the Yamaha RX-V373. For the Yamaha RX-V373 stick to speakers with power rating of around 150W or lower.

There are a lot of members who use floorstanders with power rating higher than their AVR, so do a search and you will find reviews of setups like these.

If your still confused, go to a showroom and have a demo of a AVR + Floorstanding speakers setup

Thanks you very much Nishanth!
That was a detailed explanation and you cleared all my doubts.

What would be your choice if you were to select between Yamaha RX-V373 (100W@G ohms) Vs Denon AVR-1513 (110W@6 ohms)

What is your opinion on Sonodyne Sonus 2605 Vs Wharfedale Vardus 400 Vs Polka Audio Tsi 400 . As all three floorstanders come under same price range. Sonodyne being an Indian brand isn't significantly cheaper (with reference to the online prices).

 

[Nishanth]

There is very little to differentiate the Yamaha RX-V373 and Denon AVR-1513 in terms of features. The Yamaha has a few extras like auto calibration and stuff, but this should not be a be a deal breaker as you can always manually calibrate the system. In terms of sound quality both are very good and if one picks one over the other then it would be based on the type of sound one likes. I personally like the Yamaha RX-V373, but you cannot go wrong by selecting either of them.

I have not auditioned the Sonodyne 2605 or the Wharfedale Vardus 400, so cannot comment about the sound quality. But based on the power rating of these speakers I would say that the Sonodyne 2605 and Vardus 400 can be comfortably driven by an AVR like the Yamaha V373 or the Denon 1513.

The Polk TSi 400 is good but the AVRs you have shortlisted might find it hard to drive these speakers in higher volumes. The max power rating of these speaker is 200W, so an amp with 150W or higher rating would be better for this speaker. So the Polk TSi 300 would be a better match, you can audition the Denon 1513 and the Polk TSi 300 combo at Pro FX or at USK electronics you can audition the Polks with both the Yamaha and Denon AVRs.

 

[krishnakanth_590]

There is very little to differentiate the Yamaha RX-V373 and Denon AVR-1513 in terms of features. The Yamaha has a few extras like auto calibration and stuff, but this should not be a be a deal breaker as you can always manually calibrate the system. In terms of sound quality both are very good and if one picks one over the other then it would be based on the type of sound one likes. I personally like the Yamaha RX-V373, but you cannot go wrong by selecting either of them.

I have not auditioned the Sonodyne 2605 or the Wharfedale Vardus 400, so cannot comment about the sound quality. But based on the power rating of these speakers I would say that the Sonodyne 2605 and Vardus 400 can be comfortably driven by an AVR like the Yamaha V373 or the Denon 1513.

The Polk TSi 400 is good but the AVRs you have shortlisted might find it hard to drive these speakers in higher volumes. The max power rating of these speaker is 200W, so an amp with 150W or higher rating would be better for this speaker. So the Polk TSi 300 would be a better match, you can audition the Denon 1513 and the Polk TSi 300 combo at Pro FX or at USK electronics you can audition the Polks with both the Yamaha and Denon AVRs.

Yeah .... I like the Polk TSi 300 as well. But are they powerful enough for a room of dimensions 15x20 ? That is my worry.

 

[Nishanth]

Your room size is not a problem for floorstanding speakers like Polk TSi 300, actually a lot people recommend floorstanding speakers over bookshelf speakers for use in big rooms. You just have to check if the AVR your going for has enough power to drive the speakers to levels which you want, which is best done by auditioning them and checking for yourself.