Reference Grade Amps
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hyeah:Vinod.R
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What I mean by good entry level products is that:
1) Useless and cost increasing features can be cut.
2) Core features which are absolutely necessary for the product to work should not be compromised.
Take AVR/Amps for example:
1) It does not matter if you use a oil damped panel or an ordinary panel for the face plate. I do not mind either.
2) However, if you are using a cheap EL transformer, cheap capacitors and other parts to make the same amp/AVR and seriously compromise the sound quality in some way to cut costs, that is where I take exception!
3) Budget does not mean that a company has to compromise on core features. It can still good entry level products at different price points by making intelligent compromises.
1) Useless and cost increasing features can be cut.
2) Core features which are absolutely necessary for the product to work should not be compromised.
Take AVR/Amps for example:
1) It does not matter if you use a oil damped panel or an ordinary panel for the face plate. I do not mind either.
2) However, if you are using a cheap EL transformer, cheap capacitors and other parts to make the same amp/AVR and seriously compromise the sound quality in some way to cut costs, that is where I take exception!
3) Budget does not mean that a company has to compromise on core features. It can still good entry level products at different price points by making intelligent compromises.
Not exactly an equivalent but many audio companies (like LFD) actually use premium parts to tune their equipments. The designer (a Dr Bews, if memory serves) actually listens to the differences in the sound different makes of components produce, and uses the best sounding ones. Or so I've read in a magazine interview. They even go to the extent of hoarding these premium parts in case production ceases.
The use of premium parts is not much of a secret. Even "solder jockey" level DIYers know this and use better parts where they make a sonic difference. One example is the use of rather costly ($ 71 extra, IIRC) Sonicap make capacitors instead of the stock capacitors for the cross over of the GR Research X-LS Encore speakers. I believe it immensely improved the sound.
In fact just today I had been to the market to hunt for better capacitors to replace the stiock parts (Samwha make) in the power supply of my DCB1 buffer
Thad E Ginathom
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Do Marantz still do a Signature range? ISTR that is what all that was about.
Samwha caps do a pretty good job in a power supply unit. Would better caps make a difference there too!In fact just today I had been to the market to hunt for better capacitors to replace the stiock parts (Samwha make) in the power supply of my DCB1 buffer
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Has anyone had the chance of listening to Job 225 and/or Job pre2?
Personally speaking, I cannot afford reference class stuff, and Job 225 seems to be a good example of a reference class amplifier that is also within reach.
Personally speaking, I cannot afford reference class stuff, and Job 225 seems to be a good example of a reference class amplifier that is also within reach.
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why laughing ? Have you checked google
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Behringer A500 Amplifier: Objective Test Results
Samwhas are decent enough but there are better ones out there. I found a couple of shops selling Nichicon, one selling Rubycon and Cornell-Dubilier, and third selling Keltron "lytics and DEC polys, but couldn't get Panasonic. And there were tons of Chinese brands.
Better caps do make a difference in PS. See post # 107 : http://www.hifivision.com/diy/53964-dcb1-build-11.html. Also, do recall that we searched literally heaven and earth for good 15000uF caps for the PS section of our F5 builds. I settled for Cornell-Dubiliers.
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