Synology Post GST?

[terrible]

Currently Synology DS916+ (8GB) costs Rs. 82360/- taxes included, if bought from EBM, the authorised Synology distributor. Come 1st of July, with implementation of GST, would this price go up or down? My sense is it would become costlier. Just confirming. Because if so, I would buy it now ASAP.

 

[Eddierockks]

Hi I got a quote from EBM last year of around 85k but they weren't willing to budge from the quoted price. So I ordered the same from Amazon US and it costed me close to 50k landed cost all inclusive. Been an year still working great.


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[terrible]

Hi I got a quote from EBM last year of around 85k but they weren't willing to budge from the quoted price. So I ordered the same from Amazon US and it costed me close to 50k landed cost all inclusive. Been an year still working great.


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Which Synology did you ask a quote for? Well the price differential today is a lot less than say it was two months back. DS916+ (8GB) all inclusive cost from Amazon.com is around Rs. 63000/-, while from EBM it falls to Rs. 82000, inclusive of taxes. The difference is 20,000, but when you consider two years warranty and AMC that can be availed after two years for a cost, has me wondering if I should go with EBM. But more than that, I did buy DS1515+ about two months ago from Amazon, but second day after installation, it never came back up. Fortunately, it was all within the 30 days return period. So maybe EBM is a better call.

But my question remains should this be bought before or after GST sets in?

 

[Eddierockks]

I asked for the 916+ 8gb in question.

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[sam9s]

@terrible... I would go with @eddierocks, take the Amazon route comes much much cheaper including shipping handling and customs ..... Plus another advice, get a 4 GB version and purchase a 4GB stick separately and upgrade it yourself, you will save more by this, so the overall cost with these two steps will reduce considerably.

I also have 916+ 4GB and upgraded to 8 by manually installing the stick.... working great...

 

[terrible]

@terrible... I would go with @eddierocks, take the Amazon route comes much much cheaper including shipping handling and customs ..... Plus another advice, get a 4 GB version and purchase a 4GB stick separately and upgrade it yourself, you will save more by this, so the overall cost with these two steps will reduce considerably.

I also have 916+ 4GB and upgraded to 8 by manually installing the stick.... working great...

I would gladly go @eddierocks way, just that I am once bitten, as I explained in the above post. DS1515+ copped it in two days and was fortunate it was within 30 days return.

On further negotiation EBM has come down to Rs. 77000 (inclusive all taxes), which gives it only Rs. 14000 differential when bought from Amazon. Though I wonder why they are hesitant in telling me the manufacturing date of the piece they would sell to me.

I already have a 4GB Synology stick that I bought along with DS1515+. However, I only see two versions in 916+; 2GB and 8GB version, on Amazon US.

 

[sam9s]

I would gladly go @eddierocks way, just that I am once bitten, as I explained in the above post. DS1515+ copped it in two days and was fortunate it was within 30 days return.

On further negotiation EBM has come down to Rs. 77000 (inclusive all taxes), which gives it only Rs. 14000 differential when bought from Amazon. Though I wonder why they are hesitant in telling me the manufacturing date of the piece they would sell to me.

I already have a 4GB Synology stick that I bought along with DS1515+. However, I only see two versions in 916+; 2GB and 8GB version, on Amazon US.

Then you were really really unlucky, as most of the people on hifi including me have gone the Amazon way and all working good (touch wood)

Also about RAM yes it comes with 2 and 8GB you can not add RAM as there is only one slot, so get 2GB and replace the stick with 8GB sell 2GB ram on olx..

 

[GeorgeO]

Yes agree with sam. I've bought three Synology units on Amazon.com no trouble so far.

 

[terrible]

Just a question to you guys. God forbid, but if your Diskstation was to develop a snag, what would you do? Since EBM will not service it and for repairs or replacement you'll probably have to send it to Taiwan.

When I was returning the damaged DS1515+, I faced a bit of difficulty as they expected me to have an import export license to send it back to Amazon. I managed. But if the same piece was to come back repaired, I am sure the re-entry will be difficult.

Just wanted to know your thoughts. May give me courage to go the Amazon way.

 

[sam9s]

Very honestly and frankly, I have not given much thought about it. First NAS I purchased was a 212j and I took the risk as there was a huge price difference, plus its a hardware board, embedded system, it rarely goes bad like this, unless you are that unlucky. Reviews were also positive and I could not find any post that stated the piece entirely went bad after use. Touch wood all went well, the second NAS was DS413j that Synology themselves sent for review, that too was via AMAZON route and I have never faced any issue with it, mean time other people on hifi were also purchasing the same way so the confidence grew, the latest one 916+ I have also was via Amazon (even though I purchased it from a FM) so as I said frankly never gave a thought much bout the other side of the story. But if things do go south, I would probably go to an authorized repair center and pay to repair, that is the only downside I can think off, but with confidence on this device and huge price difference, it's worth a risk .. IMHO..

 

[terrible]

Very honestly and frankly, I have not given much thought about it. First NAS I purchased was a 212j and I took the risk as there was a huge price difference, plus its a hardware board, embedded system, it rarely goes bad like this, unless you are that unlucky. Reviews were also positive and I could not find any post that stated the piece entirely went bad after use. Touch wood all went well, the second NAS was DS413j that Synology themselves sent for review, that too was via AMAZON route and I have never faced any issue with it, mean time other people on hifi were also purchasing the same way so the confidence grew, the latest one 916+ I have also was via Amazon (even though I purchased it from a FM) so as I said frankly never gave a thought much bout the other side of the story. But if things do go south, I would probably go to an authorized repair center and pay to repair, that is the only downside I can think off, but with confidence on this device and huge price difference, it's worth a risk .. IMHO..

I know, I have been that unlucky one with Synology. Hence the tad apprehension. Though in terms of price difference the scenario has changed a little bit since May. Amazon collects around 46% of cost as duty so the difference has come down by around 10-15%. Also EBM is selling it to me @73360, which makes it just 10000 more than @Amazon. I think with three years warranty active, I might opt for a little peace of mind. But thank you much for bringing perspective to this.


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[TCHeN]

Intel h/w is good, never had any issues. Do check if your last Synology had a Marvell or Annapurna chip? Might explain things.

If you are set on Synology then go with it, nothing like it. I've been using one for ages.

But I've also built a couple of secondary backup NASes with Intel CPU and running OMV and FreeNAS, both running 24/7 for over a year now with no issues. Done this way you get more powerful h/w (CPU), and more RAM.

 

[sam9s]

Intel h/w is good, never had any issues. Do check if your last Synology had a Marvell or Annapurna chip? Might explain things.

If you are set on Synology then go with it, nothing like it. I've been using one for ages.

But I've also built a couple of secondary backup NASes with Intel CPU and running OMV and FreeNAS, both running 24/7 for over a year now with no issues. Done this way you get more powerful h/w (CPU), and more RAM.

His ds1515+ that went kaput had an Intel proc, And my ds413j had Marvell CPU that worked 24x7 for 4 years, so I don't think that's a reasonable criteria.

DIY NAS are good but, reliability and power consumption is always in question, plus not as feature rich as; say DSM OS. I have used all NAS OS in the book and stayed with OMV and UNRAID for like 2 years before jumping the guns to 212j

 

[sam9s]

I know, I have been that unlucky one with Synology. Hence the tad apprehension. Though in terms of price difference the scenario has changed a little bit since May. Amazon collects around 46% of cost as duty so the difference has come down by around 10-15%. Also EBM is selling it to me @73360, which makes it just 10000 more than @Amazon. I think with three years warranty active, I might opt for a little peace of mind. But thank you much for bringing perspective to this.


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Its your moony ... so your decision, if 10K does not seems to be much of an issue and also gives you piece of mind, then hey! who we are to judge .... jump on it and place the order ..

But make sure you do need model 916+ as your HOME NAS, as 73K is a HUUGEE price. Just my humble opinion as a FM ..

 

[TCHeN]

Oh, I use a Synology too and am sold on them... albeit a mid-level DS415+.

His ds1515+ that went kaput had an Intel proc, And my ds413j had Marvell CPU that worked 24x7 for 4 years, so I don't think that's a reasonable criteria.

You are right... consider me an Intel fanboy who has never had issues building Intel rigs, but who has always had issues building AMD rigs.

DIY NAS are good but, reliability and power consumption is always in question, plus not as feature rich as; say DSM OS. I have used all NAS OS in the book and stayed with OMV and UNRAID for like 2 years before jumping the guns to 212j

Just throwing out more options for the OP to consider... and also long term one needs to consider backing up data or getting a 2nd NAS just for backups. A NAS is not a guaranteed data backup solution... that's how I got into FreeNAS and OMV - to backup my main NAS.

 

[TCHeN]

Its your moony ... so your decision, if 10K does not seems to be much of an issue and also gives you piece of mind, then hey! who we are to judge .... jump on it and place the order ..

10K sounds very reasonable for peace of mind and also after sales service and support.

And post GST prices are bound to increase anyways.

 

[sam9s]

^^ I might agree, since if a person is spending 63K (amazon price) he might as well spend another 10K and get his piece of mind, the question, however, that I am more interested is, does one needs 916+ as a home nas for 70K+, which is like a HUGE price. Since I have also used DS413j (416j is like half the price of 916+, ) and I am with 916+ currently, I know what exactly is the difference, 90% of the OS is the same DSM, major changes is in the hardware, that too if you are not very particular about a requirement ( LIke if you say I HAVE to run PLEX server on my Synology), I dont see why would you spend 70K+ on this device ... AGAIN thats just IMHO ..

 

[TCHeN]

^^ I might agree, since if a person is spending 63K (amazon price) he might as well spend another 10K and get his piece of mind, the question, however, that I am more interested is, does one needs 916+ as a home nas for 70K+, which is like a HUGE price. Since I have also used DS413j (416j is like half the price of 916+, ) and I am with 916+ currently, I know what exactly is the difference, 90% of the OS is the same DSM, major changes is in the hardware, that too if you are not very particular about a requirement ( LIke if you say I HAVE to run PLEX server on my Synology), I dont see why would you spend 70K+ on this device ... AGAIN thats just IMHO ..

Agreed. I would never advocate spending a lot on a commercial NAS. The h/w is extremely limited... some of the entry level ones come with 256 MB RAM (at least did in 2015 and some of 2016) and/or 512 MB RAM.

The ones that do run Plex in transcoding mode cost a lot... you can build the latest i7 gaming rig with 32 GB RAM and still spend less in comparison.

But DIY is not everyone's cup of tea and also like you said Synology OS is irreplaceable.

I would stick to my recommendation... get a mid-level Synology and then a good PC build that will also act as a NAS and also run Plex in transcoding mode... this will give you the best of both worlds and 2 NASes at the same budget as a top end commercial NAS.

 

[terrible]

Intel h/w is good, never had any issues. Do check if your last Synology had a Marvell or Annapurna chip? Might explain things.

I would imagine it was more a case of that one bad piece. Not much to do with the technology involved. By the way what's h/w?

But I've also built a couple of secondary backup NASes with Intel CPU and running OMV and FreeNAS, both running 24/7 for over a year now with no issues. Done this way you get more powerful h/w (CPU), and more RAM.

No way I am going to be able to build secondary NASes. I have no background that lends itself to this. This is my first foray into NAS; so more user friendly the better.

But make sure you do need model 916+ as your HOME NAS, as 73K is a HUUGEE price. Just my humble opinion as a FM ..

I agree, in terms of NAS usage a DS416play would be more than adequate for my current usage. However, its space that I need on regular basis. 916+ can be expanded, whereas, 416play cannot. I do have plans for it once I get to understand it better. I might host my production house website or even make it a mail server. I might run Plex for on the go but that's not really a need I have.

 

[sam9s]

By the way what's h/w?

Hardware

However, its space that I need on regular basis. 916+ can be expanded, whereas, 416play cannot. I do have plans for it once I get to understand it better. I might host my production house website or even make it a mail server. I might run Plex for on the go but that's not really a need I have.

Do you know the cheapest expansion bay is 5 BAY and is even more costly than the NAS itself. DX513 is 100+USD more than your DS416Play.

Again IMHO , 416J can host/support a whopping 10TB HDD, spend in upgrading the Hardrive than getting a much costlier NAS like 916+ and then an expansion bay, which is almost the same price of 916+ and on the top of that purchase 4-6 TB HDD to fill it. Does not make sense.

If you will do a quick calculation, getting 10TB HDD on 416play will land you cheaper than 916+ and expansion bay and wall filled with 4TB hard drives, and you will get more TB(storage) as well