What is there in a Vinyl?.........Just a thought.....

[prem]

Hi dr khanwelkar, I don’t think the No Entry Pudhe Dhoka Aahe Music CD is available any more.

I have the master CD because I produced the film.

There are many variables in a CD player too. My comparisons are my own listening experience at home and in recording studios. At home I used to own the Esoteric P70 D 70 transport and dac and also a Esoteric XO3 SE CD player. Prior to that I had the Mark Levinson 30.5 and 31.5 transport and dac. These machines were all high end and playback was superb. At present I own the EMT turntable with the TSD 15 cartridge fully restored to original specs. Prior to that I tried the Rega 6, Goldenote turntables. In both these cases the Esoteric completely thrashed the turntables. The CD sound was way way superior. It’s only with the EMT that the playing field levelled. Even then the EMT cannot match up to the Esoteric in terms of transparency and dynamics. But overall the EMT was more musical. That could largely be because the mastering of Bollywood vinyls is better than its CD counterpart.

And yes the CD machines I have used are pretty expensive and upwards of USD 20000

Also the Esoteric rig recreates the studio feel on modern Bollywood recordings much better than any vinyl rig I have heard. The Esoteric opens up layers of recording which vinyl players I have heard have been unable to do

 

[plasmoid]

And Also "DBX" recording for a further premium of Rs 10.
Most Comical Was DBX for CD recording also.And here DBX means DBX expander and not NR.

Dr Khanwelker, does DBX make so much of a difference to charge extra? In Bangalore premium was only for CD recordings. Choice of Equalizer also was there but at no extra charge. I myself preferred a flat transfer as I had an EQ on my stereo for tweaking if needed.

 

[dr khanwelkar]

Dr Khanwelker, does DBX make so much of a difference to charge extra? In Bangalore premium was only for CD recordings. Choice of Equalizer also was there but at no extra charge. I myself preferred a flat transfer as I had an EQ on my stereo for tweaking if needed.

There was competition between 4 vendors in my city.One started Recording from CDs,One started equaliser "Smile" recording so one plunged into "DBX1 BX"

 

[plasmoid]

There was competition between 4 vendors in my city.One started Recording from CDs,One started equaliser "Smile" recording so one plunged into "DBX1 BX"

 

[bapa1967]

Well Listening to Digital Audio in gadgets costing more than USD20000 is definitely not possible for common persons. So if we have to compare the quality of Medium, we need to be rational and judge it from the aspect of most common listener and the equipment he can manage which is Philips, or Pioneer or Sony made ACD Players which are generally available in the consumer market. And ear fatigue is bound to happen in prolonged listening of Digital Medium in these players. So If we compare the same with Analogue medium like vinyl, and play the same in consumer quality Turntable, the fatigue will be less, this is my belief.

 

[prem]

A common man cannot afford a 1500 lp too

 

[prem]

I have also owned a USD 2000 Yggdrasil dac. IMO, Yggdrasil beats a Technics 1200 or any other new entry level lp player costing up to a lakh and a half for most music played through it. Exception is old Bollywood music on Indian cds. When it comes to Made in England old Bollywood cds it’s pretty much same quality.

So if you do the maths here

Yggdrasil 1.5 lakhs, 400 cds at Rs 500 a CD Rs 2 lakhs. Total 3.5 lakhs.

Technics 1200 0.5 lakh, 400 lps at 1500 a lp Rs 6 lakhs. Total 6.5 lakhs

Which one would you choose?

I am not even getting into the zero maintenance and convenience of digital.

 

[jay]

And yes the CD machines I have used are pretty expensive and upwards of USD 20000

You must have put one zero extra due to oversight.
20,000$ means over 12 lakhs.Thats too big an amount for a CD player.Not even the studios will be using these.

 

[jay]

A common man cannot afford a 1500 lp too

Beg to differ. Now the new LP pressings prices start from 1500/- and above and it has got a big acceptance.With time things have chaged as well.

 

[jay]

Well Listening to Digital Audio in gadgets costing more than USD20000 is definitely not possible for common persons. So if we have to compare the quality of Medium, we need to be rational and judge it from the aspect of most common listener and the equipment he can manage which is Philips, or Pioneer or Sony made ACD Players which are generally available in the consumer market. And ear fatigue is bound to happen in prolonged listening of Digital Medium in these players. So If we compare the same with Analogue medium like vinyl, and play the same in consumer quality Turntable, the fatigue will be less, this is my belief.

Good observation. Comparision should always be made between apples and apples and which is affordable.
Jokes apart if I had a 20,000$ equipment it would always surpass all others.

 

[prem]

Qty sold is less than 300 for a title. Most titles have not even sold 100 copies. Jay, pl get your figures right before making sweeping statements that it’s finding big acceptance. I am an industry person and have access to all numbers

And pl look at my post where I have done my comparison of owning a Yggdrasil dac and a Technics 1200.

 

[raj12345]

These So Called LP Record Dealrrs hav eaten all the good records available in market. They are now indulged in gambling type of profession what is called a LP Dealer. These Dealers makes contact with Scrap Persons called Raddiwallas and asks them to find LPs from any home and get a lucrative profit. So now the question weather its good or bad.
Now from point of view of a poor person like me, its a ridiculous thing.
And for all those big rich commentetors here of hifivision to which they proudly calls themselves as EXPERIENCED Members, its a shame that you people are defining this gambling business as genuine and calls poor not to look for lps.
Music is made for all, the poor (first) as well as for rich.
So i prays for these Experienced Resellers Not to justify their profession on a good platform like hifivision. You people are just like Mumbai's Smugglers and nothing more. U people hav killed analogue music. Dont be so sarcastic while commenting and while defending your points on a public platform. You peoples are not Supreme Court of India's Judges who will order us what to post and what not. Atleast i am commenting in a legitimate way not like your sarcasm. Peoples hav full right to define tgis Threads Title and you the thread starter cannot stop us posting our view against you in a legitimate way as per the article of expression of our constitution.

 

[jay]

I have also owned a USD 2000 Yggdrasil dac. IMO, Yggdrasil beats a Technics 1200 or any other new entry level lp player costing up to a lakh and a half for most music played through it. Exception is old Bollywood music on Indian cds. When it comes to Made in England old Bollywood cds it’s pretty much same quality.

So if you do the maths here

Yggdrasil 1.5 lakhs, 400 cds at Rs 500 a CD Rs 2 lakhs. Total 3.5 lakhs.

Technics 1200 0.5 lakh, 400 lps at 1500 a lp Rs 6 lakhs. Total 6.5 lakhs

Which one would you choose?

I am not even getting into the zero maintenance and convenience of digital.

Some of the Bollywood made in UK Audio cds are mindboggling and they are expensive too. At 500/- I doubt how good a quality Made in UK cd we will get.

A turntable rig will always be expensive than a cd one. Thats quite understood.But if someone is paying 3 times the cd price for a LP there are valid reasons as why he is purchasing,

 

[prem]

Jay, have you compared a Yggdrasil with lp players like Technics, Rega etc. If you haven’t heard a Yggdrasil pl do not keep justifying that a lp sounds better than a CD

 

[jay]

Qty sold is less than 300 for a title. Most titles have not even sold 100 copies. Jay, pl get your figures right before making sweeping statements that it’s finding big acceptance. I am an industry person and have access to all numbers

And pl look at my post where I have done my comparison of owning a Yggdrasil dac and a Technics 1200.

I have my figures Prem. You might be an Industry person but I am a foot soldier who gets his figures from the consumers and dealers directly. More than 100 copies of each got sold in each of the metro cities. NGH alone has sold hundreds. Not all titles will do well because of the quality of the compositions. But its not because of price. People are ready to pay a price for these new releases. The city i live in kolkata,there are atleast 4 dealers and 10 music shop outlets from where the new lps are getting sold.

 

[prem]

Let’s take a made in England CD like Aradhana/Amar Prem/Kati Patang. That might cost you Rs 2500. If you were to buy first press NM lps of these 3 titles it will cost upwards of 10000. The CD download through a Yggdrasil will sound as good as the lp sound through a Technics

I have generalised a CD price at 500 and a lp at 1500 and not gone into specifics

 

[jay]

Jay, have you compared a Yggdrasil with lp players like Technics, Rega etc. If you haven’t heard a Yggdrasil pl do not keep justifying that a lp sounds better than a CD

No prem. Forget about listening I havn't heard of that brand even as I come from a very humble background and I cannot afford a 1.5 lakh worth cd player. I didn't justify anything. I only said apples should be comapred with apples. If you are comparing a tt with a 1.5 lakh worth cd player then bring the tt player up to that range and compare.Not with a 50k tt. I think I am fair in my judgement.

 

[prem]

So assuming we go with your figure of a few 100s selling, where is that a big acceptance of the medium? It’s still very very niche

 

[prem]

Pl read my post. I said lp players up to a lakh and a half. Also you’re missing the point that buying of vinyl software at 1500 a title will kill the person. And if a person can afford to buy 400 lps at 1500, he’s spending 6 lakhs. With that kind of spend he’s no longer a common man

Jay, pl understand I only buy vinyl. I don’t have a digital rig at my place. But do try and listen to some modern dacs like Yggdrasil and Chord Hugo and Spring Holo and Metrim before passing judgement that vinyl sounds better than digital. They are seriously good. For me the sound quality always comes first. I would never recommend something if it doesn’t sound good. And also I will only recommend stuff I have owned or heard a few times

 

[jay]

So assuming we go with your figure of a few 100s selling, where is that a big acceptance of the medium? It’s still very very niche

LP market itself is very very niche. It could have grown further if the music companies did take special care in releasing these new LPs but they didn't. Instead the prices of the old pressings also gone up.