When will we get good quality uninterrupted power supply in our country?

A 100 watts bulb made for US homes will generate 100 watts at 110v. The same bulb will consume 200 watts in a Indian home and burn with a big flash of light if connected to 220v.

A 100 watts bulb made for US homes will draw 100/110 = 900 mA current. Which means the resistance of the bulb is V/I = 110/0.9 = 122.22 ohms

Now if you connect the bulb to an Indian Home, the bulb will draw I = V / R = 220/122.22 = 1.8 amps instead of 0.9 amps (double the current)
That is the misunderstanding I guess.A 100 watt bulb will always consume 100 watts irrespective of the voltage.
P= 100 watts
US voltage= 110 Volts
US Current = 100/110= 0.9 amps
India voltage= 230 volts
India current = 100/ 230= 0.43 amps
 
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Shinto, I think you are wrong. The resistance will be the same. If a bulb consumes 100 watts at 220v, then you first need to find resistance. R = V x V/P

Once you get value of R, you can find how much power will the bulb consume at 110V by using the same formula.

As far as I remember, the resistance of a circuit is the constant.
 
Shinto, I think you are wrong. The resistance will be the same. If a bulb consumes 100 watts at 220v, then you first need to find resistance. R = V x V/P

Once you get value of R, you can find how much power will the bulb consume at 110V by using the same formula.

As far as I remember, the resistance of a circuit is the constant.
In the AC system,things are much more complex.But to keep it simple,let us keep it a pure resistive load .A light bulb rated 100 watts will consume 100 watts to produce the specified lumen output regardless of the country or voltage.
After all the bulb is specified in watts not in resistance /ohms.
A device, say an Amplifier consumes 100 watts of power to produce its rated power output regardless of country or voltage.The power consumed will be same for US as well as India. However, the current required will be more in US due to lower voltage.Hence the wire sizes will be bigger and the socket rating will also be higher in US. Same amplifier in India, will consume same amounts of watts , but the current will be half .If some one can find the specs of the same amplifier for US market as well as India,it will answer the question.
 
In the AC system,things are much more complex.But to keep it simple,let us keep it a pure resistive load .A light bulb rated 100 watts will consume 100 watts to produce the specified lumen output regardless of the country or voltage.
After all the bulb is specified in watts not in resistance /ohms.
A device, say an Amplifier consumes 100 watts of power to produce its rated power output regardless of country or voltage.The power consumed will be same for US as well as India. However, the current required will be more in US due to lower voltage.Hence the wire sizes will be bigger and the socket rating will also be higher in US. Same amplifier in India, will consume same amounts of watts , but the current will be half .If some one can find the specs of the same amplifier for US market as well as India,it will answer the question.
Amps, etc a are a different beast. The max wattage is constant (unlike our bulb example). Here we cannot have the equipment's power rating to increase with the voltage because the semiconductors are designed to output specific power. Beyond that, the semiconductors can fail. There are usually 4 types

1. Voltage selector to select transformer tap. You simply have to select the correct voltage range as per your country. This selects the transformer tap so that you get the same output voltage from the transformer

2. SMPS based power supply (here we have SMPS that operate in the range from 110v to 240v usually. When the voltage is 110 volts, the SMPS chip switches faster (many more times per second). When the voltage is 240 volts, the SMPS chip switches slower (much lesser times per second). the result is constant voltage output

3. Linear Power Supplies. These are transformer based. We have a step down transformer the output if which is rectified. There is a capacitor bank to smoothen the DC ripple. Here we have a circuit that throws away extra voltage in the form of heat. At 110 volts, much less energy is dissipated. At 240 volts, the LPS thows much more excess energy as heat.

4. Voltage stabilizer before the equipment. This is self explanatory.
 
Typically a voltage range of 230 +/- 10% should be ok for all good quality device. I have till date not faced any voltage related device failure at my home. Most weekends voltage at my home past 7pm is around 257vac. But I have not installed any UPS or stabilizer for that.
 
I have noticed in most SMPS based equipment they insert an MOV ( metal oxide varistor) which is typically rated for 252vac. The function of this device is to short the VAC if voltage exceeds beyond 252vac. But off-late these varistor don't blow even at 257vac. I have repaired last year one DVD player which was rated for 120vac and was connected to 230vac outlet. This varistor blew and the repair was just to replace the varistor for correct 120vac rating and recommend an step-down transformer from 240vac to 120vac.

The idea of the varistor was to self destroy to prevent further damage to other circuit. Hope FMs are not facing such repair issues as the cost of a 252vac varistor will be as low as 15/- rupees. I do not know if the service guys are honest enough to tell this simple issue.
 
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Amps, etc a are a different beast. The max wattage is constant (unlike our bulb example). Here we cannot have the equipment's power rating to increase with the voltage because the semiconductors are designed to output specific power. Beyond that, the semiconductors can fail. There are usually 4 types

1. Voltage selector to select transformer tap. You simply have to select the correct voltage range as per your country. This selects the transformer tap so that you get the same output voltage from the transformer

2. SMPS based power supply (here we have SMPS that operate in the range from 110v to 240v usually. When the voltage is 110 volts, the SMPS chip switches faster (many more times per second). When the voltage is 240 volts, the SMPS chip switches slower (much lesser times per second). the result is constant voltage output

3. Linear Power Supplies. These are transformer based. We have a step down transformer the output if which is rectified. There is a capacitor bank to smoothen the DC ripple. Here we have a circuit that throws away extra voltage in the form of heat. At 110 volts, much less energy is dissipated. At 240 volts, the LPS thows much more excess energy as heat.

4. Voltage stabilizer before the equipment. This is self explanatory.
Appreciate the amount of time spent by you in writing these useful posts and explaining things.

I was a bit confused as well as I was thinking from a system design/cable sizing point of view.

I agree that with a pure resistive load like an incandescent lamp/heater etc., the Voltage and current are directly proportional and hence current increases with voltage and power increases.

But some counter arguments,

If the lamp is glowing brighter than your requirement, consider using a lower wattage lamp. I am not sure how many households still have Incandescent lamps though.

For the heater case, the water is heated quickly and the thermostat will cut off faster.

For a fan running faster, simply reduce the speed to your liking with the speed controls on the fan.

So the argument is, while agreeing to the possibility of high energy bill for a higher voltage, how much of that increased power loss actually translates to real life energy bill situation is questionable.

Let us also discuss the benefits of higher voltage,
higher voltage means lesser transmission losses, hence theoretically lesser energy bills (if the energy company passes it over to its customers).
the other benefit is better voltages for rural customers and customers at the ends of the line.
 
Thank god. Looks like they are coming to their senses
However obviously there is no guarantee that ground level situation will improve regardless of what these high end policy bodies decide. We will still have high/low voltage issues outside the norms of what is prescribed and no one will bear responsibility, least of all - all these policy makers etc. There should have been a mention of strict monetary penalties to discoms if standards are not adhered to in this discussion itself.
Cheers,
Sid
 
My entire society went to the local Electricity board armed with voltage readings throughout the day/night which showed voltages upto 250 volts.
Same here , it goes upto 255V AC sometimes during night time and is around 240VAC during daytime. I have an old Technics SA380 with STK 4191 and the voltage across filter caps is +/- 52 VDC! I don't know how come it still plays fine.
Maybe they are supplying higher voltages than nominal to areas nearer to substation to compensate for the lower than nominal votages in areas situated farther from substation.
As for Adani power, the increase seen in utility bills & substandard coal supplied by them to power co. , the less said is better
 
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Yes. It was 230 +- 5%. Now it is 240 +-10%. We are now same as Afghanistan. I have posted the IEC standards before and after in this very forum. You may want to search for it and read it. At least in my complex, no of people losing equipment because of high voltages is not funny

This is the state of affairs at 3.15am. Thank you Adani for waking me up.
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Interesting indeed. No mention of how, when and why some states decided to opt for 240v standard from the previous 230v standard.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this coincided with the entry of private electricity Discoms?
I am a strong believer in Preserving diversity in culture, language and such.
But this is clearly an issue where “one nation, one voltage” makes sense
 
Sir, you were probably in the better part of the country as before 2014, we had power cuts for 6-8 hours everyday during summers and 3-4 hours during the year and now we have 24/7 power...Maybe our expectations are different but with Adani getting into the power generation, we are now a power surplus country and better placed to handle another surge in power consumption for the next 5 years...

Just to add, our transmission company is DVHBN - a Haryana government company and they have not replaced our burnt out main cables on the pole since the last 18-20 years and it's a pain to deal with them even though nothing gets done.... It's time to privatise sir...
I am from a village in Sirsa Haryana. From at least 20 years we have around 20 hours electricity nothing major cuts which can’t be handled by inverter. The voltage we are getting in whole village is 230-235 in day and 260-270 in night in October to march. From march to October it will be mostly below 200 and in peak summers you will get 180. That’s the quality of distribution. Every government is corrupted most officials are corrupted mostly employee don’t even know the reason and effect of over and under voltage
 
My doubts are confirmed after reading this paragraph-
"Sh. J. Prabhakaran from TNERC explained that they canonly change taps on HT side in the steps of 10%. This meansthat at 11 kV side, they can come down by 1.1kV in one stepwhich would reflect as a drop of nearly 30 V in the secondaryside. Using this method, they can bring the consumer endvoltage to 210 V from 240V, but will not be able to arrive at230V. Apart from this operational constraint, they have long LTlines running for miles in their rural areas, and coming down to230 V would lead to further drop at remote consumer end,bringing the consumer end voltage to 190V or 180V."

Anyways 250V is still within +/-10% range of 230V, so I'm doubtful things will ever change. Also higher voltages results in higher utillity bills (devices powered by SMPS are an exception)
 
I am from a village in Sirsa Haryana. From at least 20 years we have around 20 hours electricity nothing major cuts which can’t be handled by inverter. The voltage we are getting in whole village is 230-235 in day and 260-270 in night in October to march. From march to October it will be mostly below 200 and in peak summers you will get 180. That’s the quality of distribution. Every government is corrupted most officials are corrupted mostly employee don’t even know the reason and effect of over and under voltage
I am trying to reconcile your reality and situation with regard to the power supply and the earlier assertion by @panditji about India now being a power surplus country.

Noting as “we” are selling power now to neighbouring countries, the “surplus” term may be justified.
But the reality of continuing power cuts gets covered up/hidden.

Similar to rhetoric on growing economy and multiple trillions hiding severe poverty and increasing disparity.

Please correct me if I am mistaken: Uninterrupted power supply is not a stated guarantee by any state electricity board, no political party or private provider. Do they even have a standard of service document or list?

When it’s not in the list of standards of service, how can it even be measured, audited, improved ?
Worse, no one can be held accountable. Any one can then claim anything as nothing can be proven.

We get easily taken in by speeches declaring 100% electrification in every village (connected to the grid but no potential difference for the end user?😎)

It’s similar to building toilets and then declaring the country “open defecation free” then move on to the next publicity stunt secure in the belief that public memory is brief and easily distracted.
 
That will happen when 750 watts will be consumed when voltage is 250v. What I'm showing is when your voltage is 230v and the power consumption is 750 watts, what will be the current flow. It will be 3.26 Amps. Now if you increase the voltage from 230v to 250v, your current will increase proportionally and power consumption will become 885 watts. So net effect of changing the voltage from 230v to 250v will result in increase by 135 watts. This 135 watts is the extra chappati that I explained earlier.
Can I offset the effect of increased voltage by installing a good quality powerful(3KVA - 5KVA) mainline stabilizer?
 
Can I offset the effect of increased voltage by installing a good quality powerful(3KVA - 5KVA) mainline stabilizer?
Yes. There will be some loss with the stabilizer. So your net reduction of electricity bill will be a bit reduced by the stabilizer loss. This can be calculated only by measuring the current being (full load) consumed before using the stabilizer and current consumed after using the stabilizer.
 
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