Suggest Near Field Passive Speaker approx 30K ₹

[Knightrider]

You are using foobar. It has graphic equalizer to the best of my knowledge. You can use the sliders on the left to lower the low frequency and sliders on the right to enhance higher frequency. Apart from that you can use a preamp with bass and treble controls.

Yes, I am using Foobar, have adjusted hight frequencies, treble has become higher, somewhat to my liking. works for some some files, but sounds too shrill for other. Will keep fine tuning it.

Would you recommend some other player ?

 

[mbhangui]

Yes, I am using Foobar, have adjusted hight frequencies, treble has become higher, somewhat to my liking. works for some some files, but sounds too shrill for other. Will keep fine tuning it.

Would you recommend some other player ?

IMHO, I don't think using another player will solve this issue. The only way to eliminate what is causing your problem is to get a good source material. Spotify is an easy option. A good system will be brutal. It will make bad recording sound bad.

 

[Knightrider]

The easiest thing to do is that you can take a short term spotify premium subscription (or apple music if you have a macbook). Spotify premium is just Rs 29 for a week. Low enough to try it out.

Link to foobar graphic equalizer

foobar2000: Components Repository - Graphic Equalizer

foobar2000

www.foobar2000.org

Will subscribe once i get proper speaker stands. Have Windows based PCs only.
Is amazon basics speaker wire sufficient, or i can use some other wire that can tame lows and accentuate mids and highs?

 

[mbhangui]

Will subscribe once i get proper speaker stands. Have Windows based PCs only.
Is amazon basics speaker wire sufficient, or i can use some other wire that can tame lows and accentuate mids and highs?

Changing your cables will not make the music which you are finding awful good.

 

[DB1989]

1 - Placed on two 27" height hardwood stool type tables. 6feet apart, 1 feet from wall, tried feet from wall too. Near field and listening Spot at 10 Feet also.
2 - Aiyima A07. Chain - Windows 10 PC (foobar + Flacs and Wav) == USB == Ifi Zen Air Dac ==Amazon Basics RCA cables == Aiyima A07 === Amazon Basics 14awg Cable (new cable).
3 - No sub. QX2 MK II already has too much low bass, it overshadows all other frequeincies except male and female vocals.



Sound Signature impressions after 10hrs burn in - Loads of Bass, Forward vocals, Laid Back and very Warm sound - Low frequencies overshadow all other frequencies except for vocal [Frequency below 77hz most prominent at all listening levels i.e. whispering sound level to high decibel]. Mid Bass is present and but not thumping. Highs are there but not simmering, somewhat restricted and sub-dued. Had to raise 7kz, 10khz, 14khz, 20khz frequencies in foobarr equalizer to get some feel of Twitter.
Overall - too warm, low frequency prominent, mid bass reproduced but not thumping, highs present but miniscule. Vocals are forward - a bit too forward.

Queries : -
1. Should i get professional made speaker stands of get one made locally ? I have to get proper speaker stands, can get them made from solid wood/ ply wood/ Metal, for approx 5-6k INR, as i already have raw material and have easy access to carpenter and metal workers nearby.

Self made stands are best avoided, especially those made from wood, unless you know exactly what you're doing, Good stands from soundfoundations can be had for 10k'ish.

2. Mid bass is present but overshadowed by low frequency. Will RCA and Speaker cable change tame low freq, and accentuate mid thump and high frequencies ? If so, please suggest which cables to buy, preferably not too costly.

thats the case probably due to the fact that you're facing a null somewhere near 70hz to 110hz whereas the 30-50hz region is getting reinforced.

3. Please suggest other steps i can take to improve sound signature.
Regards.

Placement is your salvation. You can buy other/better components and hope for the best.

or you can pull your speakers out slowly every couple of inches from the back and sidewalls and eventually, there'll be a point where the room nodes aren't activated.

I had a similar problem with my 16x13 room where the bass was overpowering even from my 5inch Dynaudio Excite X14s and i had to pull them out approximately 4 feet from the back wall before they worked. Interestingly, this position 4 feet out works great for my Mission QX-2, even though they produce a ton of more bass than the Dynaudios, as well as my Tannoy Definition DC8's and Spendor Classic 2/3s which both have 8 inch drivers and are significantly larger.

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Thursday at 1:04 PM

lol, set it up away from a wall to reduce bass reinforcement.

Set up 1 feet and them 2 feet between wall and rear of speakers, din,t make much difference. Tweeter sounds restricted, as if its vocal chords get choked mid way (in songs where highs decay slowly e.g most of Shreya Ghoshal, it stops abruptly midway. It has almost 20hrs burn in, will twitter performance improve on further burn in?

• Knightrider

1-2 feet isn't going to do much if its bass reinforcement you're fighting the physics of a small room of around 200sq.ft. Conversely, plonking this speaker in a 750 sq.ft room will produce very little bass. The sweet spot for this speaker is around 300 - 450 sq.ft.

If bass is overpowering the mids and treble, they'll sound subdued - its psychoacoutics - just like when the speakers are imaging and soundstaging properly, the voices will come from the center and other instruments will be meticulously laid out in between and all around you though its just a pair of speakers playing and not a surround system.

If placement is proving too difficult or cumbersome or simply impractical, get a MiniDSP with DIRAC and it'll even things out somewhat or change speakers which don't dig as deep as the Mission QX-2's. Remember, a maruti alto is better suited to Indian roads than any Ferrari.

 

[Knightrider]

Good stands from soundfoundations can be had for 10k'ish.

Will go for Soundfoundations.

thats the case probably due to the fact that you're facing a null somewhere near 70hz to 110hz whereas the 30-50hz region is getting reinforced.

How do I remedy this?

Placement is your salvation. You can buy other/better components and hope for the best.

Will try this. Next purchase will be after thorough audition only.
I guess I'll have to upgrade Amplifier first reason being Aiyima A07 is only playing QX2s at approx third of volume at full power (32v 5amp psu) as compared to the previous el cheapo speakers which used to get unbearing loud at even 40% amp power. That lack of amplification power might also be affecting sound quality (noob's guess)

imaging and soundstaging properly

I learnt this long while ago, and learnt placement for sound staging and imaging since creative 2.1 speakers. Will tray the same once i get speaker stands.

The sweet spot for this speaker is around 300 - 450 sq.ft

Wish i knew this before ordering. Although i was advised to get Smaller Speakers by Anil ji, that would have saved money too. I thought i liked warm speakers with low end bass and 6.5inch woofer will provide that, turns out thats not the case.
Will only buy after audition from next time. Will start to save up for next.

 

[DB1989]

Will go for Soundfoundations.

How do I remedy this?

placement

Will try this. Next purchase will be after thorough audition only.
I guess I'll have to upgrade Amplifier first reason being Aiyima A07 is only playing QX2s at approx third of volume at full power (32v 5amp psu) as compared to the previous el cheapo speakers which used to get unbearing loud at even 40% amp power. That lack of amplification power might also be affecting sound quality (noob's guess)

unfortunately your guess is wrong. Its easy to hope or believe that one can throw money to solve an issue and it'll go away. Having said that, the QX-2 perform much better with better amplification but you should go down that route only if you can get the overall balance of the sound to be even on the basis of placement/positioning,

I learnt this long while ago, and learnt placement for sound staging and imaging since creative 2.1 speakers. Will tray the same once i get speaker stands.

Wish i knew this before ordering. Although i was advised to get Smaller Speakers by Anil ji, that would have saved money too. I thought i liked warm speakers with low end bass and 6.5inch woofer will provide that, turns out thats not the case.
Will only buy after audition from next time. Will start to save up for next.

If the QX-2 don't work in your room, you can sell them on hifivision itself. If you're working with a small rooma and like an exciting treble and additional mid bass punch, the PSB Alpha P5's will be right up your alley and perhaps, the Elac Debut B5.2 as well.

And auditioning speakers in another room is only going to give you a general flavour of what the sloudspeaker sounds like but won't tell you how they'll perform in your room. The QX-2 is one of my nicest sounding speakers when setup correctly though i have others 20x the price.

 

[Knightrider]

unfortunately your guess is wrong.

Got it. I won't be buying amp in near future.

Elac Debut B5.2

Was advised to go with Mission LX2 or Elac Debut B5.2. It was my fault to ignore that.

And auditioning speakers in another room is only going to give you a general flavour of what the sloudspeaker sounds

Thats my general idea - to audition speakers of different sound signatures to see which kind of sound presentation i like - Warm/Neutral/ etc.

PSB Alpha P5's

This was my first preference, but unfortunately i was told it costs 45k, so was way out of my budget. As far as i could remember it was selling for 25k in 2021, missed buying at that time. If it comes up with discount offer or in classifieds will definitely consider.

 

[ajuvignesh]

As for as I know, there can be sound signature difference but not too much.
Did you try spotify or apple music with a better quality song?
Are your speakers firing straight or is it toed in towards your ears?

You need to experiment with placements to get rid of those nasty bass issues. Try pulling the speakers into the room and check if it works.

 

[Knightrider]

Did you try spotify or apple music with a better quality song?

Tried spotify, it has max 320kbps files. Don't have apple product so couldn't try apple music.

Are your speakers firing straight or is it toed in towards your ears?

Had kept them straight, tried to toe in a bit today. Changed distance from wall a bit too.

Try pulling the speakers into the room and check if it works.

Trying different placements.

After almost 25hrs of play time, i feel low end has changed a bit for better (not sure). Will keep the burn in going. Will keep fingers crossed for 100hrs burn in time now. Will report back.

Thanks to all FMs for guidance, and suggestions, keep them coming.

Regards.

 

[ajuvignesh]

Thats good to know there are some changes. You can toe in more for more treble. There is nothing wrong with toeing in. If the speakers are very directive in high frequencies, toe in should help.

 

[DB1989]

After almost 25hrs of play time, i feel low end has changed a bit for better (not sure). Will keep the burn in going. Will keep fingers crossed for 100hrs burn in time now. Will report back.

most budget speakers, including the Mission QX-2, finish burning in by the first 10-20 hrs. Burn in usually does not change the character of the speakers much though exceptions exist - unfortunately the QX-2 is not one such example - it sounds great out of the box and a couple of hours of burn in is sufficient to get the most.

Don't despair however as i have been in your place when i was a noob - hope for burn in to be the solution and hope acche din ayenge

Increase toe-in to increase treble energy and have them firing directly at your ears at the seating position if you want maximum attack.

If you want real solutions, here's another

 

[Knightrider]

You can toe in more for more treble

Tried toe-in, its disperses treble wide enough off axis too.

If the speakers are very directive in high frequencies

They do disperse about 50% to off axis too, not very directive.

Thats good to know there are some changes

Mids have tightened, become clearer a bit.

hope for burn in to be the solution and hope acche din ayenge

Hope achhe din aa hi jaye.

If you want real solutions, here's another

Will try watch and try it.

unfortunately the QX-2 is not one such example - it sounds great out of the box

Unfortunately, it wasn't like that for me. reasons could be anyone among - equipment synergy, placement issues, my expectations about its sound signature, my sound preference as compared to what these speakers are designed to sound like, etc.


Noob Opinion About these Mission QX2 MK II - after about 25hrs burn in :-
These have :-
Overall Sound - warm laid back (maybe bit much warm - subjective opinion as per my sound preference).
Vocals - pronounced
Mids - a bit recessed like tabla/dholak type instruments don' have that slam/punch
Treble - its there, but lacks presence - e.g in Shreya Ghosal's songs, when se sings there is always lot of treble/ high frequency along with her voice thats missing. (Maybe i used to think i like warm speakers - but din't knew how "warm" actually sounds like.
Low frequency - abundant, don't have slam like a sub woofer but lows are present below 55hz too (as per foobar equalizer)

# Non Fatiguing, laid back, warm sounding speakers. Could listen to them for hours without any fatigue.
# Sounds good enough for songs between 1990s - 2005 era. Low end over powering thing disappears in this era songs.
# Sounds good enough off axis too. One doesn't need to sit only at sweet spot.
# Sounds good, even at low volumes. (within its overall sound signature)
# Doesn't sound engaging/ lively foot tapping.
Have adjusted foobar 2000 graphics equalizer'd 10,14,20 khz to increase treble levels as per my liking.



Disclaimer - All of these observations are of mine as a Noob who has got a hi-fi product for first time. In past has only used/ listened to Tape deck (cassettes), Sony HTiBs, various 2.1/5.1 Pc speakers only. So please take my observations as a novice's rants who has no experience or no idea what hi-fi is and how to make them sound good.

 

[Knightrider]

While watching speaker placement video shared by @DB1989, Found another video about speaker placement, it all based on calculation, easy and simple. Though not practical if one doesn't have dedicated listening room.

 

[Vinay103]

Thanks for input. Please suggest a few branded cables with model no. Will contact you once i get a hang of how the speakers perform, and If I decide to go for Mr Murthy's cable.
Regards.

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