Dali Ikon6 auditioned

[musicbee]

All the reviewers are paid to say the samething about the speakers else they will be ruining their career. Its their bread and butter and everything is fare in love and war. If some one pays me xxxxxxxxxxxxx amount of money then probablly i too will have something to say good about any product. Its business and that's how it works even if it tough for you to digest.

You can fool some of the people some of the time... not all of the people all of the time. If what you say is true then those reviewers will only be hurting themselves and very soon. C'mon who wants to buy something based on a review and then never buy anything else that reviewer recommends.

Their bread and butter is repeat customers buying based on their reviews because they have found their reviews to be true and not the other way around. Reviewers lying about reviews is the fastest way to ruin their careers. How many of us have been cheated (I'm sure all of us)... how many of us bought something again from the person who cheated us (I'm sure none of us).

 

[varma_vikas]

Once again, you're talking brands and not sound....

You need to tell us what QUALITIES you want in your sound, this only happens by UNDERSTANDING what kind of sound you feel happy listening to.

Brands mean nothing if you pick a model with a signature which your mind does not like. You can go with the most expensive brands possible but if you pick a model with a signature you don't like it will be the same old denon vs new denon all over again.

Dear,
I have mentioned the names just to show u the picture of quality amplifier, nothing else.

As I told u earlier that I had found denon with kef was excellent sounding in low very volumes. Allmost same thing I will need in my two channel stereo.

I know speakers like ascendo have very different signature may be developed for a different taste and a speaker costing 10 lakh may not be liked. Just shared experience.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

i personaly take reviews and awards with a pinch of salt. No offences though.

+1
usually people have a tendency to judge a speaker based on past performances and failures.

Everyone should take reviews and awards with a pinch of salt. I don't recommend going by reviews.

there are a few websites which are reliable. Sterophile is one that I know of.

 

[ranjeetrain]

You would better stay away from that dealer

You nailed it. It's this dealer who is the culprit behind such a bitter experience with such well known gear as Dali and KEF.

 

[varma_vikas]

You nailed it. It's this dealer who is the culprit behind such a bitter experience with such well known gear as Dali and KEF.

Hi Ranjeetrain,

I talked to two (even 3 people) dealers about kef, all said kef is nothing. one said-' I have listened kef till 1 lakh of rupess. Nothing is special".

When I asked other dealer (mainly dealing in very high end products like ascendo, belles,monitor audio,quad, bryston , kef also, said -" in my openion kef sabse koora speaker hai".

Now I have talked to another person who is a dealer of paradigm and b&w. Will go for the audition probably coming saturday, specially with my own amplifier. He has sonus faber too.

Will keep u people updated.


God knows what will happen this time

 

[ranjeetrain]

^^ He is just giving you stories (taking you for a noob). Ask him what according to him is special if not KEF, Dali, DynAudio. His response would clarify matters for you instantly.

 

[corElement]

Vikas if you want to listen to only dealers advice and not ours, why are you even here.

Dear,
I have mentioned the names just to show u the picture of quality amplifier, nothing else.

As I told u earlier that I had found denon with kef was excellent sounding in low very volumes. Allmost same thing I will need in my two channel stereo.

I know speakers like ascendo have very different signature may be developed for a different taste and a speaker costing 10 lakh may not be liked. Just shared experience.

The name of the brand to give me a 'picture' of a quality amplifier?... lol, that means very little I'm afraid. Because sound changes 100% depending on the model, not the brand.

What kind of sound you prefer... describe your sound you want more

you've said one quality so far - that you want good performance at low volumes - this is something you will get with a near field monitor bookshelf speaker better than an ikon 6.

you need to tell us more descriptions to let us help you zero down more on a suitable model.

And forget what dealers say. Forget what we say, only listen to what your ears say at an audition. Everyone has different preferences.

 

[varma_vikas]

Vikas if you want to listen to only dealers advice and not ours, why are you even here.




The name of the brand to give me a 'picture' of a quality amplifier?... lol, that means very little I'm afraid. Because sound changes 100% depending on the model, not the brand.

What kind of sound you prefer... describe your sound you want more

you've said one quality so far - that you want good performance at low volumes - this is something you will get with a near field monitor bookshelf speaker better than an ikon 6.

you need to tell us more descriptions to let us help you zero down more on a suitable model.

And forget what dealers say. Forget what we say, only listen to what your ears say at an audition. Everyone has different preferences.

Core element,

I do not listen to dealers because I also have worked as sales person couple of years ago and I know the market.
This is all just for ur and everybody's information.

And if u wish me to tell u about what kind of sound I like in technical terms, then I do not know how to desribe in technical terms.

The only thing I know is -my system should not sound dull and flat when volume goes down.

I need the lower frequency approx 20 hz and I know only a sub woofer can give me that.

And my speakers and amplifier should be of high quality components so that after spending lot of money, I will need not to go to a service center for any repairs, means it should be reliable.

OK i wish to ask u one thing. In my budget approx 1 lakh(+ - 30k), should I go for a floor stander OR the bookshelf speaker?

Suppose I liked Paradigm studio60 ( costing 1.25 l), in this case should I go for this or for similarly priced bookshelf?

If u were at my place , which u would have choosen for you?

Thankyou.

 

[varma_vikas]

^^ He is just giving you stories (taking you for a noob). Ask him what according to him is special if not KEF, Dali, DynAudio. His response would clarify matters for you instantly.

He told me to go for either B&W OR Ascendo OR Monitor audio gold series.

Both B&W and Ascendo would cost above 2lakhs( yes , I am talking about bookshelf, not the FS hahaha).

Then he told me to for used B&W, i think 805 model of bookshelf for 1 lakh because one of his known customer is selling his b&w 805 and upgrading to Ascendo.

The dealer is Danny ( bass & treble) in Gurgaon.

He had Dali ikon in clearance of 25% .He did not suggest dali to me.

This week I will audition Paradigm speakers, B&w speakers and sonus faber.
One dealer in connaught place, barakhamba road has told me to come for audition.

 

[koushik]

The one 805 that was excellent was the Matrix one and you still have to pay around 80K - 1L(used) for those beauties.

I haven't heard D805 but got feedback from reliable person that it is forward sounding on the brighter side with upfront tweeters. That might suit you.
Paradigm, B&W, Sonus Faber - You are going to have a rocking weekend mate.
Also add Epos in your list.

 

[BLASTO]

Hi,

I wish to tell u about one more experience,
Last week I auditioned Ascendo speakers( cost 6.5 lakhs) with Belles amplifier(cost 2.35 lakhs).

I did not like the sound however it was far better than all other my experiences

Hey vikas,

Are yu sure that you like audiophile sound atall?
People here are trying to help by asking what qualiities you like and you are not able to provide inputs.

With 1L budget, you cannot get everything. You need to compromise.
Rajneet is in the same city and has a dali setup, why not go there and audition once again?

Also, if you like bass, please check out avid's speakers.

For your kind of bass requirement, look at B&W 6 paired to older rotels. And what was the CDP used in the demo? Also the amp?

 

[koushik]

I don't know whether they are over-priced or not but the kind of tonality you get from a B&W is unmatched IMO. Heard lot of speakers but the tonal quality and the mids that B&W produces - aahha - total NIRVANA!

 

[BLASTO]

Also what is the purpose of opening this thread? What inputs are you looking for? If you just say, I dont know what exactly Iam looking for but should sound good to me, I dont think anyone can be of any help.

Inputs on what you hear most often and how you prefer your music to be will help people show the right direction.

Dealers mostly connect whatever amps they hace to whatever speakers they have. Thats not the ideal sounding combo. Enthusiasts on the other hand spend lot of time in getting the combos right. You might check out some of the setups of members in delho to get a better idea. If you feel you don't like their setup too, probably you are better off with what you have already.

 

[koushik]

Hey vikas,

Are yu sure that you like audiophile sound atall?

Quite a legitimate question. @Vikas - Are you sure?

 

[corElement]

What I don't understand is why the op is finding it too technical to describe describe what qualities he's looking for in sound. It just says you need to do a lot more auditioning and rethink the audiophile route.

 

[corElement]

Also what is the purpose of opening this thread? What inputs are you looking for? If you just say, I dont know what exactly Iam looking for but should sound good to me, I dont think anyone can be of any help.

Inputs on what you hear most often and how you prefer your music to be will help people show the right direction..

Exactly, I don't understand the purpose of the thread anymore.

Op needs to spend time understanding sound before being a critic. If you can't even describe what you're looking for and just rant.. How is anyone going to help?

 

[varma_vikas]

Quite a legitimate question. @Vikas - Are you sure?

Hi Koushik,

I know very well that people can not help me in this way and i am thank ful to everybody who is asking for my inputs.

When I had purchased my system , speakers were costing 18k to me and that has everything, no need to compromise( bass , midrange, vocal ,treble). My each channel has got 12 inch woofer.

And now when I am out to purchase a new system it has become very difficult. Even when I am spending 1 lakh,should I need to compromise? That ofcourse I will not do.

 

[varma_vikas]

Hey vikas,

Are yu sure that you like audiophile sound atall?
People here are trying to help by asking what qualiities you like and you are not able to provide inputs.

With 1L budget, you cannot get everything. You need to compromise.
Rajneet is in the same city and has a dali setup, why not go there and audition once again?

Also, if you like bass, please check out avid's speakers.

For your kind of bass requirement, look at B&W 6 paired to older rotels. And what was the CDP used in the demo? Also the amp?

Hi Blasto,

Thank you for ur reply,

The amp was denon, i do not know model. May be pma 710 and cambridge audio cd player.

I tell u one story for the people who say that change of amplifier would change everything. IMO it can change some of the things, not the whole character of the speakers.

Couple of days ago when my woodstock amplifier was not in working condition, my cousin came at my house with a local amplifier . that was the size of my palm and cost was rs. 700 only. We attached that local amplifier with woodstock speakers 70-80 w/channel and they sounded excellent however till volume level 3 only . Beyond that sound had started cracking. However speakers showed their full potential till level 3.

No lack of bass and treble due to the change of very low class amp instead of my woodstock which is 75-80w/ channel.

Any ways I will audition some more. Lets see what happens.

 

[ruenigma]

Hi Blasto,
I tell u one story for the people who say that change of amplifier would change everything. IMO it can change some of the things, not the whole character of the speakers.

Couple of days ago when my woodstock amplifier was not in working condition, my cousin came at my house with a local amplifier . that was the size of my palm and cost was rs. 700 only. We attached that local amplifier with woodstock speakers 70-80 w/channel and they sounded excellent however till volume level 3 only . Beyond that sound had started cracking. However speakers showed their full potential till level 3.

No lack of bass and treble due to the change of very low class amp instead of my woodstock which is 75-80w/ channel.

Any ways I will audition some more. Lets see what happens.

And oddly enough we have a interesting story of our own in Pune. FM Flash' B&W 685 speakers are with me. Previously we have heard them with his Rotel monoblocks (RB-06) and they sounded lively, fast accurate. A budget audiophile's dream. Then next after a couple of weeks or so we had a chance to hook them up to a more potent partner, FM viki's Krell KAV 300i and this time in a much larger surroundings. This speaker again impressed us. Filling even a 400sq ft room with remarkable ease. I was already having goosebumps with the prospect of playing host to the yellow kevlar with that nice rhythmic excursion. All my dreams were shattered the moment I started playing them on my C356. They were slow, dull, lifeless. Lacked detail. The highs were non-existent. The mids were listenable at best. And the lows, if it was like the Catwoman (Anne Hathaway) in TDKR with the Krell, with the NAD it was more like some B-grader from those mallu or bhojpuri flicks. [Ok I admit I watch 'em sometimes :lol:]

The point is equipment synergy definitely plays a massive role. One can't really generalize.

 

[ranjeetrain]

He told me to go for either B&W OR Ascendo OR Monitor audio gold series.

He is just trying to sell you where margins are fat. It is well-known that B&W speakers don't represent a great value. The only good advice he had for you was in the form of Monitor Audio Gold. You can't go wrong with those speakers. However, if you are talking about those speakers, you are NOT talking "within" USD 2K. More like USD 3-4K. And if that's the case then the world is wide open. You have a lot more to choose from including Usher, Focal Lab, Spendor, ProAc and Harbeth. Dali Ikon are way under that. MRP of Dali Ikon was GBP 900/USD 1400. If you have the budget, audition as much as you can. Because if you are going to shell out that kind of money, you deserve to have good sound at home.

And, totally ignore what the dealer says. His friend is his profit, not your interests.

PS: I have been at Bass n Treble a few years ago. I was not impressed by them at that time.