ranjeetrain
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That's a harsh truth. Most dealers would just try to sell you what they have and what they think is good. Few dealers in Delhi would actually have a proper setup/method for auditioning.
Dali Ikon6 auditioned
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That's a harsh truth. Most dealers would just try to sell you what they have and what they think is good. Few dealers in Delhi would actually have a proper setup/method for auditioning.
tirthankar
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Vikas, the only type of speaker which will sound good irrespective of the amplifier it is connected to, is one which colors the sound to such an extent that it obscures the tonal nature of the amplifier.
Real high end speakers, like most of the ones you get at 1 lakh Rs are much more resolving. They are meant to look much deeper into the music being fed to them to bring out as much detail as possible, and in the process they start becoming critical of the equipment in the the chain. That is why pairing becomes important. Because if paired with the incorrect component, or fed with low quality (low bitrate, poorly recorded) music they will bring out the flaws in a very in your face manner.
There are colored speakers in high end (or high price) also.. polk, cerwin vega come to mind. They have the typical u shaped curve.. sparkly highs, voluminous bass, colored midrange.. a sound that goes loud and exciting as long as they are being fed the power (cerwin vega are not even much power hungry).. but they are in no way accurate for stereo.
Compromise always has to be made, but how much you are compromising depends on what you are wanting from your system. High end audio is about accuracy and neutrality among other things, and they are the most difficult things to attain in reproduced music.
I am not sure how ready you are for the accuracy and neutrality of high end audio. But still to give yourself the best chance, call the dealer who will give you the audition and ask
- What brands and models of speakers he will demo
- What amplifiers he has for demo
- Post over here and search over the net to get advice over the best pairing
- Listen to the advised pairs
Or else you will end up with another disaster like the rotel with paradigm. No doubt your ears were bleeding. those speakers and amps are not meant for each other AT ALL..
One thing no one asked, what is going to be your source? If you play low bitrate mp3 through sonus faber or B&W, you are throwing away your money.
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I think the tone of responses in this thread is turning quite negative and disrespectful to the OP. dont forget the days when you were newbies and others were doing hand holding for you.
Just because someone cant describe the sound, does not mean he does not appreciate good sound. It does not give you a right to suggest bose, assume he listens to low bit rate mp3s etc etc.
Just because someone cant describe the sound, does not mean he does not appreciate good sound. It does not give you a right to suggest bose, assume he listens to low bit rate mp3s etc etc.
koushik
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Dull and flat are completely different things.
FLAT is a audiophiles' dream, something they would crave to almighty!
DULL is critical issue. Highend audio tends to be dry and flat. You need ears to appreciate that. I understand that it is not everyone's cup of tea. Juicy boomy bass, bright & attacking treble, on the face shrill vocal are signature of Sony/Philips' boomboxes. That is why I asked you earlier that are you sure you like audiophiles' sound.
Lets put it other way - Have you auditioned any audiophile's setup? NOT in the demo rooms of dealers but in the house of audiophile? Where he has sleepless nights in putting components one by one for years and made the setup? I would recommend that you search for volunteer FM (I am sure there will be plenty) who are willing to welcome you in their house and audition to their setup. Go there, hear them and see if you like the sound - the WAY audiophiles like it.
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tirthankar
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@doors: the purpose of my post was no disrespect for the op. If that's the way it came out I apologize.
But I think op is probably not clear about his expectations and I tried making it clear what to expect from a typical high end setup.
But I think op is probably not clear about his expectations and I tried making it clear what to expect from a typical high end setup.
No no, I didnt mean it any derogatory way. Their Bell Curve sound signature is really liked by many. To be honest even I used to like them, till the time I took my own CD to their store which they refused to play, and then got the chance to hear them at a friends place (who is pretty satisfied with them).
koushik
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I appreciate that. This should not be the way.doors666p said:
One thing you will agree that a system of over 5L can't be utter nonsense. It may be overpriced etc but that something must be good in it. So, when all the fellow members are asking about his likings and dislikings he could have just put forward some views about sound and why he didnt like it. Everyone can express in non technical terms why didnt like the sound. Like the sound was muddy, instrument was sounding shrill to ears,voice was thin and nasal, drum was sounding hollow etc etc. Need to latch on to a point about what is he looking for and what he is not getting. And then only "Why is he not getting it and where will he get it" will follow in abundance from the members.
fran_elite
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If anyone is looking out for good Low end Punch then Dali Ikon 6 may not make U say :yahoo: I heard them sometime back at a friends place powered by Rotel Stereo Amp & Marantz 5003 CDp & I found them very good in the Highs & Mid range.Being a basshead I was not impressed.But overall they were good.
varma_vikas
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Thank you Door666 for showing your concern and understanding.
Yes, the tones have become harsh however I take it in this way that even then somebody is trying to help or asking me to describe the sound.
Door666 I do not want something out of this world. I know for that purpose I would have to spend atleast 10 lakhs( I do not want to sell my house and belongings) Hahaha.
I know what a good sound is, just the matter here , I cant show that in words. People are either using high technicals like "crossover" etc etc or asking me to describe. I have woodstock since 2004. It does not mean I am not open for other sound.
I had found denon + kef combination very pleasent couple of years ago. That was there in my office. That I consider step ahead my woodstock.
One more and biggest problem is this that dealers I met with, tried to sell whatever they have..
Dealer I was most engaged with, always insisted to go for an AVR, even when I told him several times that I wish to use only 2 channel stereo. He mainly deals with denon and yamaha and dali.
Whatever I am asking , dealers do not have, I asked for the demo of Monitor audio, dealer said-service is an issue here, so we do not keep monitor audio because that will be need to sent to mumbai only if any issue happens.
I asked for DYN audio as per the recommendation of the people here on this forum, not available for demo, dealer advised me to go to mumbai.
Room size-15*10
Panasonic plasma 42 full hd
Cambridge audio 651 blue ray player
MY CONCERN- Only 2 channel stereo.
Budget for speakers 1 lakh(+ - 30k)
Either I can go with pair of bookshelf with subwoofer(if needed) because I want low frequency.
OR if in this buget I get a good FS, I may wish to go for that.
This saturday I will go to a dealer who has called me for audtion of Paradigm studio 60, B&W and sonus faber. There I will get the idea. I will go with my own amplifier also.
Still I have to see that in the same budget, what would be more suitable for me-----bookshelf with subwoofer OR floor stander( in the same budget).
Paradigm studio 60 FS is costing 1.25k( msrp--1.35k).
Paradigm monitor series FS--approx 70.-80k
My use will be more music. 70% music and 30% movies.
I listen to Michael jackson, Celione dion, Kenny G, hindi remixes,
Movies- Gladiator, Titanic, Avataar, Jurassic park, Terminator, Predator,Troy etc etc.
I do not want any compromise, this is the reason I had broken my budget and decided to go first for the speakers and then amplifier.
In first go I got cambridge.
Now it is the turn for second- speaker
I want good bass, treble, and depth in sound specially in low volumes because I have seen that many systems can play loud beautifully but when it comes to low volumes they start sounding ordinary.
Denon + kef when I heard, that sounded very good in low volumes to me.
Same amount of bass and treble and depth should come in low volumes.
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varma_vikas
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Hi Tirthankar,
Same dealer where I auditioned rotel with paradigm.
This time I will go with my own amp.
He has called me for b&w, paradigm studio 100(to get idae of studio 60 as he does not have studio60), paradigm monitor, Sonus faber.
My source -- Cambridge 651 blueray
aashish351
Well-Known Member
that's exactly what i tried to say in the begining of this thread... but OP is already closer to the reality after an hour of auditioning than my comment after owning ikon 6 for nearly 6 months and using with comparable associated equipments.
However, because this forum is for the benefit of a much larger audience than one particular case, I will restate my observations about Dali Ikon 6 in the correct perspective:
1. I don't think Dali Ikon 6 is harsh / bright and neither it is a slouch in bass. It has a very detailed, neutral & transparent presentation which makes its performance hugely dependant on other pieces of the puzzle - Source, Recroding, Amplification etc.
2. When I play recordings from HDtracks or Linn Records or some very well recorded CDs like, Pink Floyd, The Best Of / Fleetwood Mac, The Best Of/ Norah Jones, Little Broken Hearts/ Ray Charles, Genius Loves Company -- the sound from Dali Ikon 6 has no hint of harshness. It has one of smoothest & Silkiest treble I have heard in many speakers of this range.
3. The fact that my amplifier, Exposure 3010S2 is another similar characteristic equipment maintains the sound as - neutral, detailed, dry and adds a slight attack / energy without adding any color to a specific frequency range.
4. This makes my setup extremely neutral, detailed and transparent which makes a coloured recording sound just as it is - coloured.
5. Bass: true music bass is not a loud boom, thud or punch. That's movies! true music bass is also not electronic signal of 20 Hz or 30 Hz produced my a synthesizer or other sound effects machine. True music bass is - note from a cello, or a drum kick, or a bongo etc. And Ikon 6 produces all of them very competently, with enough punch to hit your chest.
If you want the 20 - 40 hz of electronic music basslines, add a subwoofer.
Of course, these are not the last words of wisdom about Dali Ikon 6. And, subjective differences will always exist. Therefore, instead of contradicting subjective observations mentioned above, please use them to strenghten or weaken your own subjective observations.
What kind of music do you listen to? Just want to know what you are looking for in the low frequency?
I have a friend who lives and dies on hip hop. Nothing pleased him. Only thing he kind of liked was Emerald Physics but even there the boom was missing (according to him).
Its all personal choice and how it sounds to one.
I have auditioned Dali Icon 6 twice, once with Pioneer AMP and later with Denon. But on both the occasion I felt like, something is missing. Then went ahead and bought Focals.
NAD integrated Amp is one of the unchallenged choice in this forum, I used one for around 6 months and found Norge 1000 or an Onkyo HTIB receiver is far better than NAD.
Again my conclusion is its a personal choice,
I have auditioned Dali Icon 6 twice, once with Pioneer AMP and later with Denon. But on both the occasion I felt like, something is missing. Then went ahead and bought Focals.
NAD integrated Amp is one of the unchallenged choice in this forum, I used one for around 6 months and found Norge 1000 or an Onkyo HTIB receiver is far better than NAD.
Again my conclusion is its a personal choice,
koushik
Well-Known Member
Liked the statement
hyeah: This goes to show the status of "Bose" in this forum :lol:
koushik
Well-Known Member
Yes true and no one is denying that. The only thing we all want to know from OP is what his PERSONAL CHOICE is?
varma_vikas
Active Member
Approx 20hz
Michael Jackson, Celione dion, Kenny G, Hindi remixes,
Movies-- gladiator, titanic, troy, Avataar,predator, terminator independence day.
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koushik
Well-Known Member
I myself don't like NAD and neither the Onkyo AMP. NAD is too smooth with steep rolled of highs and Onkyo (the one I heard) is muddy. All depends on personal choice and perceptions.
Seriously???? :lol:
ranjeetrain
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