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Approx 20hz

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Dear Vikas, no one hears 20 Hz, except dogs. And music is not about 20 Hz. 20 Hz is an insanely low frequency that very very few humans can hear. Mostly frequencies under 30 Hz are "heard" in terms of blasts of energy, i.e. they are felt, not heard.

Take my words my friend, stop your audiophile quest. No audiophile grade speaker under INR 2m (yes, 20 lacs) will produce 20 Hz. So be wise, save your money, buy some cheap bookshelf (like INR 50k or so) and add a SVS/Hsu sub to it. You will get a "full blast" for well under 1 lac. And if I have been able to understand you at all from all your posts in this thread, that's the only thing that will make you happy.
 
Approx 20hz

Only the Emerald Physics CS2.3 goes that low (to my knowledge).

And most music does not go that low.

Emerald Physics would be out of budget... so I think you can explore the option of adding a sub to your present set up as you seem to be pretty happy with your current setup.
 
Try & get hold of Definitive Tech's Bp7000 or 7002SC's. The 7000 digs down to 11Hz:yahoo:.
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@Vikas

Please refer to this chart below to understand why 12" drivers are not the key to good sound and why 2-7" drivers exist.

Wooferzone.jpg
 
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Dear Vikas, no one hears 20 Hz, except dogs. And music is not about 20 Hz. 20 Hz is an insanely low frequency that very very few humans can hear. Mostly frequencies under 30 Hz are "heard" in terms of blasts of energy, i.e. they are felt, not heard.

Take my words my friend, stop your audiophile quest. No audiophile grade speaker under INR 2m (yes, 20 lacs) will produce 20 Hz. So be wise, save your money, buy some cheap bookshelf (like INR 50k or so) and add a SVS/Hsu sub to it. You will get a "full blast" for well under 1 lac. And if I have been able to understand you at all from all your posts in this thread, that's the only thing that will make you happy.

Hi Ranjetrain,
Thank you for ur humble reply,

This is what I have been trying to do. Most probably I will try to get good bookshelvs with sub. i KNOW MOST PROBABLY MY JOURNEY SHOULD END HERE.

My dealer in gurgaon told me to get either Monitor audio, gold or silver series.

However he is trying to divert me to the pure audiophile root. Today he suggested me to go for the EVOLUTION ACOUSTIC SPEAKERS. MMone model( 1.80 lakhs). He is actually suggesting very nische products of audio world.

I am not saying that he is trying to make fool of me however suggesting the best products.

For example --amplifier of Belles Soloist1.

I definately respect your opinion and will audition MA.

Actually the dealer himself is highly passionate about music and wants everybody to have excellent products with them.

Just asking generally- have u ever heard monitor audio OR quad?
 
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@Vikas

Please refer to this chart below to understand why 12" drivers are not the key to good sound and why 2-7" drivers exist.

Wooferzone.jpg

Hi Core element,

Thank you for ur every effort, u got the chart for me.

I think I will follow the route of BS + SVS sub. That is most convenient for me.
 
I didn't have time/patience of going through full thread as net was too slow. So just went through first 3 pages and the last page. Amazed to read that a speaker of that cost cannot satisfy everyone. One statement I didn't agree with. ' X speaker is good mainly for vocals', Y for bass etc. A good speaker should be good for all genres. If I spend upwards of 1 lac for a speaker and then if its good only for particular kind of music then, I am sorry but I cannot call it a good speaker. A good speaker should faithfuly reproduce whatever is thrown at it. It cannot be selective.Having said that I feel at any speaker that really goes down to 40hz is more than enough for enjoying music. Very few instruments go below that (I know only organ and kick drum although there may be few more.).
 
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Jaudere - agree with you on both the points. Good speaker should be able to do justice to the entire range of frequencies. I can think of Quad, B&W matrix series, older KEF etc.
Also 40hz is quite low and good enough for most type of music, if not all types.
 
Just asking generally- have u ever heard monitor audio OR quad?

Monitor Audio, yes. Quad, no.

If you are asking for general impressions of these brands, Quad is a legend. Some Quad products (both loudspeakers and electronics) have earned iconic status. In west, you can find some die hard Quad fans.

Monitor Audio is a generally respected brand at the entry level of audiophile world. Monitor Audio shot into fame 6 years ago, when their RS6 speaker made headlines due to its unmatched value (sound per pound).

You didn't ask me for advice on this one, but I can't stop myself at this. Hopefully, you don't take it otherwise, as I mean it well.

You are AGAIN too much into dealer said this, dealer said that. A dealer is a dealer. He may be suggesting you good products, niche products, but his target is still not you. His target is your wallet. He only sees you as someone who has the money. Now how good a salesman he is will be proved by how expensive a speaker he can sell you. Simple as that.

Think about yourself buddy, you are the one who will be listening to your system, not the dealer who sold you the gear.

Remember: The higher you go into hifi world, the more specific the products will become. Lower end stuff do everything, and do them reasonably right. Higher end things specialize into a specific area. If you try, you can easily draw parallels from other spheres of life.
 
I didn't have time/patience of going through full thread as net was too slow. So just went through first 3 pages and the last page. Amazed to read that a speaker of that cost cannot satisfy everyone. One statement I didn't agree with. ' X speaker is good mainly for vocals', Y for bass etc. A good speaker should be good for all genres. If I spend upwards of 1 lac for a speaker and then if its good only for particular kind of music then, I am sorry but I cannot call it a good speaker. A good speaker should faithfuly reproduce whatever is thrown at it. It cannot be selective.Having said that I feel at any speaker that really goes down to 40hz is more than enough for enjoying music. Very few instruments go below that (I know only organ and kick drum although there may be few more.).

Hi Jaudere,

Same thinking I have here, even after spending 1 lakh or even more than that one speaker is only for good vocals. Then it is better to stay with the good quality computer audio system. In 30k everything will come either stereo or 5.1 whatever.

Thank you for your reply
 
Monitor Audio, yes. Quad, no.

If you are asking for general impressions of these brands, Quad is a legend. Some Quad products (both loudspeakers and electronics) have earned iconic status. In west, you can find some die hard Quad fans.

Monitor Audio is a generally respected brand at the entry level of audiophile world. Monitor Audio shot into fame 6 years ago, when their RS6 speaker made headlines due to its unmatched value (sound per pound).

You didn't ask me for advice on this one, but I can't stop myself at this. Hopefully, you don't take it otherwise, as I mean it well.

You are AGAIN too much into dealer said this, dealer said that. A dealer is a dealer. He may be suggesting you good products, niche products, but his target is still not you. His target is your wallet. He only sees you as someone who has the money. Now how good a salesman he is will be proved by how expensive a speaker he can sell you. Simple as that.

Think about yourself buddy, you are the one who will be listening to your system, not the dealer who sold you the gear.

Remember: The higher you go into hifi world, the more specific the products will become. Lower end stuff do everything, and do them reasonably right. Higher end things specialize into a specific area. If you try, you can easily draw parallels from other spheres of life.

Thank you Ranjetrain,

Actually I have written so many things so many times, again and again and again, may be this is the reason I did not write again. I type so slow.

He has called me to audition monitor audio. He has AAD ALSO, FOCAL( out of thinking),Ascendo, Quad,. He insists to liten B&W.

Ranjee, should I consider B&W? He told me that monitor audio silver and gold series is good and is comparable to B&W.


I have written about the dealer again just to let u know that what is going on here and shared my experience. Nothing else.
 
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I hope after some years there are no speakers only to hear spanish guitar/electric guitar/toms/cymbals/hi hat etc. This "higher you go, the more specific the product becomes" should not apply at least to music because everyone hears music as a whole and not parts of it. I have seen very few individuals who hear only one kind of music and nothing else. Most of them like to hear different kinds of music on different days.

Seems this 'good for a particular genre' is applicable to speakers only but not amp or CD player or DAC. Thank god electronics do not specialize. Otherwise people will start advertising " CD player for vocals" or "Jazz amplifier" or DAC good only for Hip hop and so on.

Sadly, what Ranjeetrain said is true in medicine at least. A cardiologist finds it to difficult to manage Diabetes, a diabetologist cannot decide treatment for paralysis, a skin specialist cannot treat diarrhea well. All of them have learnt these but while persuing more knowledge only of one subject, they forget basics of others. Not their fault as such. Ultimately , it is the patient who suffers. Can you imagine, I have seen specialists and superspecialists who do not know what are the latest guidelines or CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation). The superspecialist, treat different organ systems rather than treating patient as whole and thats the worst part of it.
 
Sadly, what Ranjeetrain said is true in medicine at least. A cardiologist finds it to difficult to manage Diabetes, a diabetologist cannot decide treatment for paralysis, a skin specialist cannot treat diarrhea well. All of them have learnt these but while persuing more knowledge only of one subject, they forget basics of others. Not their fault as such. Ultimately , it is the patient who suffers. Can you imagine, I have seen specialists and superspecialists who do not know what are the latest guidelines or CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation). The superspecialist, treat different organ systems rather than treating patient as whole and thats the worst part of it.

+1 to that jaudere you have hit the nail on the head
 
Hi Jaudere,

Same thinking I have here, even after spending 1 lakh or even more than that one speaker is only for good vocals. Then it is better to stay with the good quality computer audio system. In 30k everything will come either stereo or 5.1 whatever.
That is why I am sticking to my open baffle speakers, my Marantz pm 6002 and my Purepiper DAC (although my friend has eyes on this DAC :) ). DBX 31 band graphic equalizers was a recent addition and they have brought significant change, more than what I would have got by spending 50k in new speakar or amp.

The speakers which made me equally happy were paradigm studio 10 (under 40k) and PSB synchrony 2 at 1.8 lacs. But note that they made me EQUALLY happy and not MORE happy. My speakers, Studio 10 or Synchrony2 do not allow you to think about bass/mids/highs. They just let you enjoy music

I know that my music system cannot/does not make me happy on each and every day but it makes me happy on more than 90% of the times.

You are already using EQs. Why don't you try out some professional 31 band equalizers ? If you are not audio purist (who hate every thought of adding a component in chain), then you should definitely try it , especially because you are happy with your Woodstocks. Small tweeks by using EQs are worth it, as 31 band give you a lot of control over speakers.
 
+1 to that jaudere you have hit the nail on the head

That nail hits my head daily. It is an agony to daily watch how medicine is being practised, how the patient suffers financially and how relatives are cluesless about patient because every doctor tells them "liver is good/kidney is not good/Heart is average" but hardly anyone gives a clear picture of "How is patient".

But forget that. lets discuss music here :)
 
@jaudere

I didn't want to start an entirely new discussion here, but I think I will TRY to answer your questions ONCE, in the manner best possible for me. Also, if you are curious you should make your effort to read the whole thread.

Amazed to read that a speaker of that cost cannot satisfy everyone. One statement I didn't agree with. ' X speaker is good mainly for vocals', Y for bass etc. A good speaker should be good for all genres. If I spend upwards of 1 lac for a speaker and then if its good only for particular kind of music then, I am sorry but I cannot call it a good speaker.

Would you call Jamo R909 (INR 450k) and Focal Diablo Utopia (INR 800k) good speakers? I heard them extensively. The more I heard them the more I felt they were good for Classical and Jazz.

There are only two type of speakers that can do everything right. (1) The one that is entirely honest (ruler flat FR, ruler flat electrical impedance across the playable range, higher sensitivity to electricity). This type of speakers are ridiculously expensive. By my personal standards, I might have to sell my one eye, one ear, one hand, one leg and still might need to part with one kidney to afford one. (2) The one that color the sound to the extent that throw anything at them and they come out colored. Some well-known hifi manufacturers do this. I am tempted to name some of those brands here, but I rather not step on sensitive toes of their owners. Beauty is that when a well-known manufacturer does that, people like it. They often use the word "WOW" to describe their experience, and that is often followed by a few exclamation marks!!!

On the description of sound: Every speaker has a sound signature. Different people interpret that signature in different ways (owing to one's own understanding of the signature) and describe the same sound in different ways (while making references to various genres). The problem is not that they are presenting different pictures intentionally, the problem is, there is no standard way to describe a sound signature. Same speaker some will say is good for R&B, some will say is good for Hip-hop. Mind you, they are not talking anything different, just that they are saying the same thing in different ways. The difference lies in personal taste and understanding of genres. Even as a speaker might be able to do Hip-hop as well as R&B as well Country well, different people will only mention the genre they are mostly into. The problem is compounded when people start describing the sound signature that they "read about" on an "audiophile forum". These "audiophile forums" are mostly "Chinese whispers machines". The description of the sound of a speaker goes from grey to yellow to green to a tint of orange to reddish purple when it changes mouth. And in the root of all the problem is - people describe the sound even as they have not heard it first hand. Describing sound is as it is a tricky business, on the top of it, people "read about it" and add their own interpretation to it. There you go. You have an object that looks like a bird to some, like a plane to some.
 
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