IR in plasma is common no matter how newer the model is, but if you learn to use it properly you would not see any IR.
Cross talk - Where did you notice that?
Are you worried about Bug fixes, I thought fixes are good and bugs are bad.
D550/VT20/ST30/LED - Confused on which one to buy ?(<80k)
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IR in plasma is common no matter how newer the model is, but if you learn to use it properly you would not see any IR.
Cross talk - Where did you notice that?
Are you worried about Bug fixes, I thought fixes are good and bugs are bad.
Hi Naveen,
There is a group offer for 50ST30 with 2 glasses for 80k. If you decide on 50ST30 then that the group that you should join.
Panasonic gives 3 year warranty and that pulls my vote towards it.
ST30 shares the same Neo plasma panel, 500000:1 contrast ratio with VT30, fast changing phosporus of 2011 spec and as per my discussion with a Panasonic sales Manager/Personel (not dealer), the ST30 have had very little problems Since early 2011 launch in US, compared to the 2010 models like VT20, GT20 and moreover if there were a panel failure on 2010 model under warranty, panasonic were getting them replaced with the 2011 panels.
ST30 is also not the direct competitor for D550. UT30 that would be launched this diwali is what would compete with D550. 50UT30 would get placed 20k below the 50ST30 in mrp.
This has a thick glass panel which can resist accidental damage to an extent(please not try ) and has a reduced contrast ratio of 200000:1 (that normal viewers like me may not be able to vizualise ).
Diwali is the biggest sale for all TV's and mostly after that there could be slump and moreover if the 0% finance scheme gets removed the prices could still fall.
You can either wait or if your target is near then please go for the group offer.
Enjoy..
There is a group offer for 50ST30 with 2 glasses for 80k. If you decide on 50ST30 then that the group that you should join.
Panasonic gives 3 year warranty and that pulls my vote towards it.
ST30 shares the same Neo plasma panel, 500000:1 contrast ratio with VT30, fast changing phosporus of 2011 spec and as per my discussion with a Panasonic sales Manager/Personel (not dealer), the ST30 have had very little problems Since early 2011 launch in US, compared to the 2010 models like VT20, GT20 and moreover if there were a panel failure on 2010 model under warranty, panasonic were getting them replaced with the 2011 panels.
ST30 is also not the direct competitor for D550. UT30 that would be launched this diwali is what would compete with D550. 50UT30 would get placed 20k below the 50ST30 in mrp.
This has a thick glass panel which can resist accidental damage to an extent(please not try
) and has a reduced contrast ratio of 200000:1 (that normal viewers like me may not be able to vizualise ).Diwali is the biggest sale for all TV's and mostly after that there could be slump and moreover if the 0% finance scheme gets removed the prices could still fall.
You can either wait or if your target is near then please go for the group offer.
Enjoy..
What?
The question should be otherway round.
VT20 vs ST30, what does ST30 miss?
For 2D:
Nothing. VT20 is actually superior in detail presentation and shadow details.
For 3D:
1) Theoritically, Panasonic plasmas have faster plasmas which should help in 3D. Not sure how much it translates in real life. 3D in VT20 is very good.
2) ST30 additionally have 2D->3D conversion which is supposedly very bad in all TVs of sony, samsung, LG and panasonic to the level that you will not miss it.
3) 2011 plasmas are said to be brighter to counter the dark tint introduced by glasses in 3D mode.
4) VT20 comes with 2 glasses for 74k and ST30 comes with 1 glass for 1L. The additional glass costs 10k extra.
Caliberation:
VT20 has THX mode and 2 additional professional caliberation modes to do fine tuning. THX is not present in ST. Not sure of professional modes.
Also note:
The VT20 is not ancient like you might think. It was sold for 1.6L till april this year before 2011 models were introduced. The 2011 equivalent is VT30. It is to be introduced next month for the same price of 1.5L.
First of all I dont think the above is possible. (Provide link)
But if someone did pull this up and 3D is your priority, you should get the ST30.
Naveen_Reloaded
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IR in plasma is common no matter how newer the model is, but if you learn to use it properly you would not see any IR.
Cross talk - Where did you notice that?
Are you worried about Bug fixes, I thought fixes are good and bugs are bad.
But it is said in some reviews in general that newer models have better handling of IR .
In D550 review , it read that cross talk are better than earlier models.
I meant newer models rectify some old bugs present in yesteryear models.
Hi Blasto,
I'm just going by the following thread in the forum. Not sure if its verified or could be too.
http://www.hifivision.com/television/21117-best-price-panasonic-50st30-8.html
I'm also aware that no dealer would sell it below 95k this month as the delaer price given by panasonic is too near to that. Thats why the offer mentioned in the forum interest me.
2 questions ?
(1) VT20 ? what if the panel fails. Can it be replaced with VT30's panel. VT30 is said to have a single sheet of glass or something which may not be similar or easy to replace with the older model. Did you check ? pls let me know ? I would also try.
(2) VT30 for 1.5Lakh. 42" or 50" ? In the absence of GT30 for india if VT30 is priced at 1.5 then ST30 should definitely crash in pricing ?
I'm just going by the following thread in the forum. Not sure if its verified or could be too.
http://www.hifivision.com/television/21117-best-price-panasonic-50st30-8.html
I'm also aware that no dealer would sell it below 95k this month as the delaer price given by panasonic is too near to that
. Thats why the offer mentioned in the forum interest me.2 questions ?
(1) VT20 ? what if the panel fails. Can it be replaced with VT30's panel. VT30 is said to have a single sheet of glass or something which may not be similar or easy to replace with the older model. Did you check ? pls let me know ? I would also try.
(2) VT30 for 1.5Lakh. 42" or 50" ? In the absence of GT30 for india if VT30 is priced at 1.5 then ST30 should definitely crash in pricing ?
Naveen_Reloaded
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Thanks alot BLASTO.
I am not concerned with 2D > 3D conversion , as any artificial conversion is bad imo.
So VT20 and ST30 have same panel and same filters and VT20 has better PQ than ST30 , CMIIW. Sorry , but why is ST30 priced higher
Yes please do tell us about group buy please
Naveen_Reloaded
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@Blasto
how bad is SD on VT20 compared to D550 ?
how bad is SD on VT20 compared to D550 ?
Where are you reading such things ?
Hi, i feel depending on your budget and availability there are only 2 tv's that you might consider from your list:
1st choice : VT20
2nd choice : ST30
if you want 3D, go with ST30. However VT20 despite being a 2010 model is still one of the best tv's today. There are very few tv's that come close, let alone surpassing its performance in the same price range.
I would not look at LCD/LED if given a choice. How good the picture looks, especially if you're a videophile or a cinema fanatic, is the most vital aspect of any HDTV. Specifically, peak white and black levels determine how detailed a picture can look on a screen. Poor white levels mean fine details can get washed out in bright scenes, while poor black levels mean shadows swallow up parts of the picture in dark scenes. A very wide gamut from dark to light lets the HDTV show the tiniest details, regardless of how bright or dark the movie gets. Historically, plasma HDTVs have produced the best black levels, specifically the now-defunct Pioneer Kuro HDTV brand. The Kuro's screen got so satisfyingly dark that it remained a popular HDTV for enthusiasts long after Pioneer stopped making the sets.
Plasma displays achieve such impressive black levels by using internal algorithms to block the power to particular pixels in order to render a pixel "dark" or black. While this can limit a plasma televisions gray scaling, it does produce exceptionally black blacks depending on the manufactured plasma display element (i.e. glass).
In plasma displays, each pixel contains red, green, and blue elements, which work in conjunction to create billions of colors. Insofar as each pixel contains all the elements needed to produce every color in the spectrum, color information was more accurately reproduced with plasma technology than it was with other display technologies. The chromaticity coordinates were more accurate on most plasma displays. Though the color saturation resulting from the pixel design of plasma displays is remarkable, LCD technology has nearly caught plasma in gray scaling color accuracy. Plasma continues to exhibit more richness in color information and more natural coloration. Today, SMPTE color coordinates in top plasma TVs still normally outperform those in LCDs, which tend toward oversaturation.
check out :
Panasonic TX-P50VT20/ TX-P50VT20B/ 50VT20 3D TV Review
very few tv's are given so much accolades let alone given a 'reference level' award which translates this tv is what other tv's want to get to in terms of picture quality.
Because it is a last year mode land they want to exhaust stocks before diwali when VT30 will make its appearance.
Bad to the extent that you can make out in first attempt.
The panasonic image is 'soft'. It is faithful reproduction of the signal.
Samsung does better scaling and some post processing to make the image sharp, vibrant and likeable.
Again, you may or maynot like it since you are mentioning that you dont like any post processing. Since you already have a samsung LCD, I assume you already know whther you like it or not. Only difference is, it has evolved over the time and is much better now.
Hi, you cant even compare D550 to VT20............totally different league here. If you still want to compare samsung then compare hi end samsung models which also are no match for VT20!!!
VT20 was rated the best tv for 2010 and now is replaced by the VT30, which also to most videophiles is rated as the best tv for 2011!!!
Naveen_Reloaded
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http://www.hifivision.com/television/21167-panasonic-vt20-owners-thread-9.html#post295842
BLASTO posted this many times in different thread here is a quote (hope he doesnt mind)
I dont mind. I stand by it.
I have both VT20 and samsung B450 and did side by side comparison at my home.
Having said that, it is a result of post processing.
View it like this.
Highend electronics reveal all defects in the original content.
MP3 sounds good in ipod and mini systems compared to hi-end hifi system. Details are only so much.
When a system tries to bring out every bit of detail from every source, it results in bad source becoming worse and good source shining. Same thing happens here.
The samsung is 'built' for making bad source appear more acceptable. VT20 is built to bring out every ounce of detail from all sources.
You get the idea.
Naveen_Reloaded
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I have planned to get a airtel HD DTH along with the TV. I have already got sick with SD content .
Today did a small test for reflection using my Dell L502X , and there were reflection i could pick up , but faint though.
But since only good for D550 being better at SD content and VT20 shines in all other aspect including 3D , I would get a better screen(less reflective) for to future proof too for extra 10K
BLASTO have you did any review on VT20 ? can you post the link ?
Naveen_Reloaded
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have you tried any setting to minimize the bad output from VT20 on SD contents ?
Also what do you feel is the downside of VT20 compared to D550 apart from upscaling.
just one doubt though . I will be playing all my videos through ps3 , which i think does good upscaling of its own right ? or just pass full video output to the TV ?
to be short , Does bringing in PS3 as factor , does it change the equation between Vt20 and D550 for SD content ?
I second aakashr statement. VT20 cannot be compared to D550.
Pana ST30 and Sony Hx925(price reduced by 60k) are the ones that can be compared. Hx925 has a 240hz processing same as plasma 200hz and deepblacks comparable to Plasma TV's. But also people have reported the loss of 3d when titlting the head.
So Panasonic rules with a big lead in technology and its atrocious pricing in India have literally made people wait for the discounted price.
Hope they value Indian customers and bring down the price. Till then we better wait.
Pana ST30 and Sony Hx925(price reduced by 60k) are the ones that can be compared. Hx925 has a 240hz processing same as plasma 200hz and deepblacks comparable to Plasma TV's. But also people have reported the loss of 3d when titlting the head.
So Panasonic rules with a big lead in technology and its atrocious pricing in India have literally made people wait for the discounted price.
Hope they value Indian customers and bring down the price
. Till then we better wait.Upscaling is one part. I have wdtv which does upscaling for SD movies.
Post processing is another part.
Matter of fact is with WDTV, the difference is minimal still in favour of samsung.
For DTH SD (which is the worst SD source you can get), the difference is much more.
Garbage in - garbage out for VT20.
Starting from 720p, VT20 is a (much) different class.
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