Fraudulent sale of B&W Nautilus 805

My EPOS bookshelves were from him- bought at least 16 years ago in immaculate condition and still playing superb. Once he has been a good reseller, not sure how his deals are now turning bad. Heard another case for another buyer at Kolkata. The only solace is you have connected to the best guy for repair.
 
Once you go to any reseller they mostly don't know the full past history. Just they will try to tell the recently heard facts from the last owner.. I know plenty of dealers in Chennai / Banglore resell the repaired stuffs from local technicians in groups..

All dealers are here to make money and it is a business for them end of the day and all poor audiophiles are here to drain the money for the music they are clueless.
 
My EPOS bookshelves were from him- bought at least 16 years ago in immaculate condition and still playing superb. Once he has been a good reseller, not sure how his deals are now turning bad. Heard another case for another buyer at Kolkata. The only solace is you have connected to the best guy for repair.
My friend also bought the B & W Matrix from him 6-7 years ago. It was in very good condition. We know him as a good seller. Since we have a long term relationship with Kiran with my friend, I trusted him and bought the speaker without any bargaining, even though he didn't provide the original stand of the speaker.
 
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Once you go to any reseller they mostly don't know the full past history. Just they will try to tell the recently heard facts from the last owner.. I know plenty of dealers in Chennai / Banglore resell the repaired stuffs from local technicians in groups..

All dealers are here to make money and it is a business for them end of the day and all poor audiophiles are here to drain the money for the music they are clueless.
Exactly
 
My EPOS bookshelves were from him- bought at least 16 years ago in immaculate condition and still playing superb. Once he has been a good reseller, not sure how his deals are now turning bad. Heard another case for another buyer at Kolkata. The only solace is you have connected to the best guy for repair.
Probably the person who sold it to him did the repair and then he was not aware about it.
 
But dont understand one thing. 1.50laks is good Good amount. With that we can buy any good brand new towers from range of options available in both offline stores or reliable online store like hifimart. But unnecessary kn the name of vintage seems we are spendjng our hard earned money on somd 10 to 15 yrs old models jn the name of vintage . Vintage ampliifiers with tag made in japan etc. We need to recheck this.

When first came in 1998, they used to be around 1999€ equivalent(inflation corrected in 2025: 3047€ or around 2,75 lakhs x 1.3 times). The indian prices are generally 1.3 times the price of European / US prices at the lowest. This was revised to 2400€ in 2004. The current generation 800 series bookshelfs retails for around 10,000 euros in 2025.

800 series is the higher end series from Bowers and Wilkins, and back in its day it used to be their highest end bookshelf that was in the market. High end speakers are not just about sound, but also their build, looks and quality of parts(which translates to good sound and reliability), and manufacturing tolerances. I have listened to the D4 briefly in a home theatre setup. They are good, but definitely not my cup of tea in terms of sound(also out of my budget range). Its like buying a used Rolls Royce from 1999. There can be new cheaper cars which are more comfortable, faster and so on. But its still not a Rolls Royce :)
 
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When first came in 1998, they used to be around 1999€ equivalent(inflation corrected in 2025: 3047€ or around 2,75 lakhs x 1.3 times). The indian prices are generally 1.3 times the price of European / US prices at the lowest. This was revised to 2400€ in 2004. The current generation 800 series bookshelfs retails for around 10,000 euros in 2025.

800 series is the higher end series from Bowers and Wilkins, and back in its day it used to be their highest end bookshelf that was in the market. High end speakers are not just about sound, but also their build, looks and quality of parts(which translates to good sound and reliability), and manufacturing tolerances. I have listened to the D4 briefly in a home theatre setup. They are good, but definitely not my cup of tea in terms of sound(also out of my budget range). Its like buying a used Rolls Royce from 1999. There can be new cheaper cars which are more comfortable, faster and so on. But its still not a Rolls Royce :)
Off cource. In such cases must see Engine is there or not. For my case repect my hard earned money. Try to buy new models only considering availability of service near to my place. Iam not so much passionate to spend my money on 30 yrs old royce.
 
wharfedale evo 4.4 is like comparing a Hyundai i10 to a vintage Porsche 911( B&W Nautilus 805)
Each to their own. Whatever rocks your boat ;)
Not comparing them. But a 20 yr old speaker with that amount where we can fet some goodones under that budget. If it isxfir 50 to 70k its fine.
But with out knowing complete ownership history spending more than 1lakh..... .. I think in one of the post our fm mentioned that it is 20 to 25 yrs ild model and he sold it for 2laks in 2012.
 
Not comparing them. But a 20 yr old speaker with that amount where we can fet some goodones under that budget. If it isxfir 50 to 70k its fine.
But with out knowing complete ownership history spending more than 1lakh..... .. I think in one of the post our fm mentioned that it is 20 to 25 yrs ild model and he sold it for 2laks in 2012.
Choice of speaker and flavour of sound it generates is very subjective for everyone and hence mostly no one follows laws of economics in it. It's all about owning your dream speaker.
The buyer should be aware of gamble he is entering into with such vintage equipment.
 
wharfedale evo 4.4 is like comparing a Hyundai i10 to a vintage Porsche 911( B&W Nautilus 805)
Each to their own. Whatever rocks your boat ;)
Vintage items being exotic always warrants heavy maintenance to have its value preserved but at the same time you get the please of owning something which a very very small audience can afford to.
 
I beleive that current price of B&W Nautilus 805 is showing as 13 Lacs+. In this scenario even if the buyer has to spend another 1 Lac to bring the speakers to the condition at which he is able to enjoy the speakers, I don't see buyer getting into any huge financial loss. He is still enjoying the music which he would have enjoyed by paying 13 Lacs had he purchased them new and this additional 1 Lac or so which he is paying now will ensure that speakers give uncompromised service for next 6 to 7 years.
 
Has anyone heard the properly setup Harmony speakers with fostex speakers which costed only less than 50K to the fullest potential ??? If somebody has heard it on a properly setup they will never go for high end speakers.. Lesser cost lesser music or lesser enjoyment people think on their mind. Plus people are buying the Lacs of charged speakers for pride and they never stick on to that in their home for long.

Why there is a flood of second hand speakers on the markets ?? People are not ready to setup properly in their home and would love to sing immediately when plugged in..
 

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Has anyone heard the properly setup Harmony speakers with fostex speakers which costed only less than 50K to the fullest potential ??? If somebody has heard it on a properly setup they will never go for high end speakers.. Lesser cost lesser music or lesser enjoyment people think on their mind. Plus people are buying the Lacs of charged speakers for pride and they never stick on to that in their home for long.

Why there is a flood of second hand speakers on the markets ?? People are not ready to setup properly in their home and would love to sing immediately when plugged in..
its quite easy to explain as in the end its a very individual taste and what one finds good might not be liked so much than another. its great that you love these speakers and i know of many folks who love fostex or feastrex based driver although i could never warm up to them personally.

B&W 800 series are exemplary speakers and with the right amplification sound really fantastic and hence have this legendary status. That sound may not appeal to say harmony speaker lovers.
 
its quite easy to explain as in the end its a very individual taste and what one finds good might not be liked so much than another. its great that you love these speakers and i know of many folks who love fostex or feastrex based driver although i could never warm up to them personally.

B&W 800 series are exemplary speakers and with the right amplification sound really fantastic and hence have this legendary status. That sound may not appeal to say harmony speaker lovers.
Since my Nautilus 805 speaker is repaired and all parts are not original, I think the Tweeters are untouched and its sound is very smooth and detailed.
 
I beleive that current price of B&W Nautilus 805 is showing as 13 Lacs+. In this scenario even if the buyer has to spend another 1 Lac to bring the speakers to the condition at which he is able to enjoy the speakers, I don't see buyer getting into any huge financial loss. He is still enjoying the music which he would have enjoyed by paying 13 Lacs had he purchased them new and this additional 1 Lac or so which he is paying now will ensure that speakers give uncompromised service for next 6 to 7 years.
The current B&W 805D4 is light years different from the N805. They are 2 different speakers entirely, just sharing the name imo. He is not going to experience the current sound with the N805. Personally, I didn't like the current 805D4, so for me thats fine, but I would never confuse the 2. And if the new 805D4 is being sold for 13 lac, that is another rip-off, US price is approx 8,31,250.
Cheers,
Sid
 
Once you go to any reseller they mostly don't know the full past history. Just they will try to tell the recently heard facts from the last owner.. I know plenty of dealers in Chennai / Banglore resell the repaired stuffs from local technicians in groups..

All dealers are here to make money and it is a business for them end of the day and all poor audiophiles are here to drain the money for the music they are clueless.
If I get the original driver of the speaker (zz11460) it might resolve the issues because the tweeters are untouched.
 
its quite easy to explain as in the end its a very individual taste and what one finds good might not be liked so much than another. its great that you love these speakers and i know of many folks who love fostex or feastrex based driver although i could never warm up to them personally.

B&W 800 series are exemplary speakers and with the right amplification sound really fantastic and hence have this legendary status. That sound may not appeal to say harmony speaker lovers.
Yes, also i added people are not keen on setting the speakers properly and not dedicating their time to make it sing.. In my opinion all the speakers are good.

Also one of our member in chennai is having different types of B&W and also his home theatre also consisting of all B&W.. He has spend considerable time on setting those and it is sounding wonderful
 
Has anyone heard the properly setup Harmony speakers with fostex speakers which costed only less than 50K to the fullest potential ??? If somebody has heard it on a properly setup they will never go for high end speakers.. Lesser cost lesser music or lesser enjoyment people think on their mind. Plus people are buying the Lacs of charged speakers for pride and they never stick on to that in their home for long.

Why there is a flood of second hand speakers on the markets ?? People are not ready to setup properly in their home and would love to sing immediately when plugged in..
Does it imply that Harmony Speakers are on par with Tannoy Westminster? No, they cannot be even though both these speakers will give enjoyment to its owners. People pay for the sound they like and according to their capacity. Someone willing to spend 30 Lacs plus on speakers is very unlikely to audition a 50k speaker.
 
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