Getting true "hi-res"/ loss- less from Apple Music

Type C so that was a no go as well
Why is type C an issue? Am I missing something?

The idea was to use an apple device as a streamer transport with an external DAC & any other streamer with the same DAC, so type of connector shouldn't matter no?

Frankly I have forgotten what we were trying to accomplish here - lol.
 
Why is type C an issue? Am I missing something?

The idea was to use an apple device as a streamer transport with an external DAC & any other streamer with the same DAC, so type of connector shouldn't matter no?

Frankly I have forgotten what we were trying to accomplish here - lol.
Better forgotten...wasnt a big deal LOL
 
Why is type C an issue? Am I missing something?
Lol, i think we might have been sidetracked a bit. According to the OP, the "Lightning to USB3 connection kit from Apple" at "INR 4,000" is "better than cheap connectors to ensure bit perfect delivery of audio to the DAC" followed by the OP's experience that "the difference is quite startling. I noticed the retreival of smaller details, wider soundstage and the ability of music to now come from a space outside the speakers" to which you replied "As far as apple music is concerned - I believe you have the best setup" and to which i retorted whether the Eversolo A8 aint any good.

Therefore, the OP was in fact referring to the connector quality being relevant as opposed to the Apple device.

Insofar as the first question of connector is concerned, I couldn't follow through with checking out whether such Connector connected to an apple device sounded better/equivalent/ worse than the A8 connected to the same dac.

Insofar as the second question is concerned regarding Apple vs other streamer with any random cable or connector, I tried the Ipad connected to the Eversolo A8 via USB Type C to Type B cable vs the internal Apple Music App of the A8. In hindsight, this combo was a mistake as switching was a pain and introduced some delay in switching - I had to get up every single time to hit play/pause/ next track on the iPad.

notwithstanding the delay, I couldn't detect any tangible difference in the SQ of either devices. Not a bad way to get the best SQ from Apple music for cheaper than the Eversolo is remote control is not an issue.
 
I had to get up every single time to hit play/pause/ next track on the iPad.
Yup this is basically my biggest issue with this setup too. However in my office it is mitigated by the ipad being right next to me, in my bedroom, this is a real issue. I did watch a video on youtube ages ago that allows you to control the ipad from your iphone, but then never really needed it.

Thanks for taking out the time. Good to know that iPad held up :)
 
Yup this is basically my biggest issue with this setup too. However in my office it is mitigated by the ipad being right next to me, in my bedroom, this is a real issue. I did watch a video on youtube ages ago that allows you to control the ipad from your iphone, but then never really needed it.

Thanks for taking out the time. Good to know that iPad held up :)
Control it through the Apple Watch- much convenient
 
I sometimes play Apple music from my S21fe connected to my SMSL DL200 DAC through a UBC C2C cable and it plays at 24/192 khz.

The sound quality and stage gets massive.
Hi I recently joined the forum and posted a similar question as a new thread but seems I m getting this answer. Only question is in theory this usbc to any usb dac (physical port could be usb type b or type c) should in theory work and Apple Music should stream lossless hi res 24/192 if recorded , and I myself hear a huge difference just between any wireless protocol like airplay/bluetooth a wired tested on my b&w px8 usb dac mode(and yet it is mainly 24/48 or 96 max I think)
To give example I see lots of integrated amp offering usbb/ computer connections but should work iPad/iphone as computer in this case
 
Also as far as Eversolo is concerned - they are a fairly new company - so their track record of supporting their devices will only be proven in the future. I remember the initial FiiO android players - FiiO just stopped updating them regularly or at all, that was a bummer. I loved those players, but I stopped using them. The same happened with Sony players, they just weren't updated regularly.
iPod touch on the other hand is still being updated from the 2017/18 - maybe even earlier, fairly regularly with new OS etc & can be a great streamer if Apple Music is your consumption.
Replying to an old post, but you have made an extremely important point. The issue is like this.
Phone and device manufacturers (phones, android players, Smart TV sets based on android) don't have the software might to write their own OS. Google dishes out new versions every year and backward compatibility is the least on the mind. This helps making current devices obsolete because they can no longer run the latest android version. Once that happens, it is impossible for the Chinese companies to backport the new android OS on the old hardware (be it Huwaei, eversolo, Fiio, HiSense, etc). If something like apple music comes with a feature that is supported only in the latest android version (like the case of apple Hi-Res not supported on old IOS/Android), then your devices gets doomed. The way I see it, these devices last for max 3 years after which you will have to live with the OLD OS and hence old applications.

A better investment instead of these eversolos will be an iphone or ipad. Apple supports their devices much longer than Google.
 
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Replying to an old post, but you have made an extremely important point. The issue is like this.
Phone and device manufacturers (phones, android players, Smart TV sets based on android) don't have the software might to write their own OS. Google dishes out new versions every year and backward compatibility is the least on the mind. This helps making current devices obsolete because they can no longer run the latest android version. Once that happens, it is impossible for the Chinese companies to backport the new android OS on the old hardware (be it Huwaei, eversolo, Fiio, HiSense, etc). If something like apple music comes with a feature that is supported only in the latest android version (like the case of apple Hi-Res not supported on old IOS/Android), then your devices gets doomed. The way I see it, these devices last for max 3 years after which you will have to live with the OLD OS and hence old applications.
Good point - Obsolescence was the most relevant factor i considered before going for an android based device and i basically made peace with the inevitable consequences. i went through with the decision notwithstanding as the A8 made enough sense to me as a hardware only device even if support for all streaming protocols stops tomorrow - its very difficult to match the same plenitude of functionality, connectivity and SQ with separates at the same price.

A better alternative for pure streamers from a support longevity standpoint are rasberry pi based devices like the Ifi Zen Stream and Allo Digione which I also use but they don't support Apple Music natively so no hi res, at the moment at least.
A better investment instead of these eversolos will be an iphone or ipad. Apple supports their devices much longer than Google.
I grappled with the said issue also before i went for the A8. I do have an Ipad but controlling the music remotely was the issue i faced since i don't use an iphone or any other apple device except the Apple Tv 4k (2023) - and i couldn't figure how to control the iPad remotely with it.

Secondly, i use my ipad for work also and connecting/disconnecting it every single time to/from the rig to play music was a bridge too far, both figuratively and literally 😄.
 
Good point - Obsolescence was the most relevant factor i considered before going for an android based device and i basically made peace with the inevitable consequences. i went through with the decision notwithstanding as the A8 made enough sense to me as a hardware only device even if support for all streaming protocols stops tomorrow - its very difficult to match the same plenitude of functionality, connectivity and SQ with separates at the same price.

A better alternative for pure streamers from a support longevity standpoint are rasberry pi based devices like the Ifi Zen Stream and Allo Digione which I also use but they don't support Apple Music natively so no hi res, at the moment at least.
Indeed and that's the reason I use these linux devices. My raspberry PI devices are still updated to the latest bookworm debian distribution and they are stil continuing to be part of my chain for music reproduction. I have Banana PI devices too from 2014 and they too still continue to run with the latest ubuntu distribution.
I grappled with the said issue also before i went for the A8. I do have an Ipad but controlling the music remotely was the issue i faced since i don't use an iphone or any other apple device except the Apple Tv 4k (2023) - and i couldn't figure how to control the iPad remotely with it.
It sure is cumbersome to use the IOS devices. Because of this I have repurposed my 2012 mac mini as a headless device with opencore legacy patcher to have the latest Mac OS and hence apple music. The macmini serves the purpose of playing apple music. The macmini can be remotely controled using any IOS device along with the GUI and music visualization. An app called airtunes allows me to control music playing on my android phone too. The other good thing about older macminis and older macbooks are that they have a IR receiver. I can control music playback using the Apple TV remote too
Secondly, i use my ipad for work also and connecting/disconnecting it every single time to/from the rig to play music was a bridge too far, both figuratively and literally 😄.
Same issue with me and hence I don't feel like using the ipad this way. @chander did something innovative. He constructed a frame around his device and it serves the purpose of having a large display for displaying artwork of the music being played.
 
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@chander did something innovative. He constructed a frame around his device and it serves the purpose of having a large display for displaying artwork of the music being played.
A new one is going to be shown soon - an iPad mini - that works as a "Streamer, display & remote control" an AIO device - connected to my RME ADI 2 via USB. The device is based on the same principal as the earlier work with Android, just a modified frame + streaming in mind instead of just being a display/remote.
 
I have repurposed my 2012 mac mini as a headless device with opencore legacy patcher to have the latest Mac OS and hence apple music. The macmini serves the purpose of playing apple music. The macmini can be remotely controled using any IOS device along with the GUI and music visualization.
Very interesting - can you throw some light on how you implemented this ?
 
Very interesting - can you throw some light on how you implemented this ?
It is not complicated. You just need to create a bootable usb drive using instructions here


After that boot from the usb drive and just follow instructions. It will install the latest OSX on your macbook, macmini. Once installed regular updates and upgrades will happen without using the USB drive.
 
It is not complicated. You just need to create a bootable usb drive using instructions here


After that boot from the usb drive and just follow instructions. It will install the latest OSX on your macbook, macmini. Once installed regular updates and upgrades will happen without using the USB drive.
Thanks will go through this link, looks like an interesting project !
 
Good point - Obsolescence was the most relevant factor i considered before going for an android based device and i basically made peace with the inevitable consequences. i went through with the decision notwithstanding as the A8 made enough sense to me as a hardware only device even if support for all streaming protocols stops tomorrow - its very difficult to match the same plenitude of functionality, connectivity and SQ with separates at the same price.

A better alternative for pure streamers from a support longevity standpoint are rasberry pi based devices like the Ifi Zen Stream and Allo Digione which I also use but they don't support Apple Music natively so no hi res, at the moment at least.

I grappled with the said issue also before i went for the A8. I do have an Ipad but controlling the music remotely was the issue i faced since i don't use an iphone or any other apple device except the Apple Tv 4k (2023) - and i couldn't figure how to control the iPad remotely with it.

Secondly, i use my ipad for work also and connecting/disconnecting it every single time to/from the rig to play music was a bridge too far, both figuratively and literally 😄.
Great to see all replies and indeed control can be an issue but the way I was thinking is Bluetooth/airplay for casual listen and few curated playlists for critical listen ( I prefer to spend time creating my fav lists and enjoy music without interruptions 😞) . Anyway max listen these days is 1hr at a stretch so mini play list.
Also with so many new ios features /handoff I m sure we will figure out a way to control devices
 
Indeed and that's the reason I use these linux devices. My raspberry PI devices are still updated to the latest bookworm debian distribution and they are stil continuing to be part of my chain for music reproduction. I have Banana PI devices too from 2014 and they too still continue to run with the latest ubuntu distribution.

It sure is cumbersome to use the IOS devices. Because of this I have repurposed my 2012 mac mini as a headless device with opencore legacy patcher to have the latest Mac OS and hence apple music. The macmini serves the purpose of playing apple music. The macmini can be remotely controled using any IOS device along with the GUI and music visualization. An app called airtunes allows me to control music playing on my android phone too. The other good thing about older macminis and older macbooks are that they have a IR receiver. I can control music playback using the Apple TV remote too

Same issue with me and hence I don't feel like using the ipad this way. @chander did something innovative. He constructed a frame around his device and it serves the purpose of having a large display for displaying artwork of the music being played.
Does a Raspberry pi running Linux play apple music in lossless ?
 
Does a Raspberry pi running Linux play apple music in lossless ?
No. Apple music is not available on Linux, though there is an app called cider which uses the apple music sdk. But cider will not play lossless. There is also apple music available on snap and hence you can theoritecally run apple music on linux. I tried it once and I found the experience shitty and painful. Cider player is much better than apple music app on linux. Only devices that have the apple music app available natively (macbooks, ios devices, andoid 14+) can play lossless. Raspberry PIs can just support airplay. But it will not be lossless.

It is for the above reasons, I use a mac mini for playing apple music alone. For rest of my local music (dsd, flac, aac, mp3) and spotify, I use raspberry pi based devices.
 
No. Apple music is not available on Linux, though there is an app called cider which uses the apple music sdk. But cider will not play lossless. There is also apple music available on snap and hence you can theoritecally run apple music on linux. I tried it once and I found the experience shitty and painful. Cider player is much better than apple music app on linux. Only devices that have the apple music app available natively (macbooks, ios devices, andoid 14+) can play lossless. Raspberry PIs can just support airplay. But it will not be lossless.

It is for the above reasons, I use a mac mini for playing apple music alone. For rest of my local music (dsd, flac, aac, mp3) and spotify, I use raspberry pi based devices.
There is a native Apple Music implementation in Home Assistant. One needs to integrate Music Assistant into Home Assistant to install Apple Music and other services. Though I managed to do it, I did not investigate further as I could not mount my local drive due to my limited linux skills
 
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