Guidance with protecting my gears

[Vijey_rockz]

Just get rid of the surge protector. You don't need that if the Surge Protection Circuit Breaker you have in the electrical chain is better than the Belkin/Huntkey. I am not an expert but I'd guess that the chances of a surge getting through an industrial strength surge protector and the servo are rather low. Vertex would be a good source of advice based on their assessment of your current Surge Protection Circuit Breaker.

Instead of using a power strip like Belkin/Huntkey, especially if you already have surge protection and servo in the electrical chain, just get a box with switches and sockets already set in the box from your local electrical store/online, open it up, check the thickness of the wire used inside and if it is of poor quality/thickness then just buy a good quality length of 5A power cord from a store and redo the internal wiring. Take and mark out pictures of the internal wiring of the box before you start in case you need a reference. It's not too difficult to replace the wiring if you are reasonably handy with a screw driver and wire-stripper.

Hmmm, Thanks for the Tip.

 

[r_senthil]

I have placed order for 3kva Vertex stablizer without EMI/RFI filters, I will be getting it in a 3-4 days time. Now I plan to connect it this way, please provide your inputs

Mains -> Surge Protection Circuit Breaker -> Vertex Stab-> Luminous UPS -> 5A socket -> Belking Surge protector -> Denon 550BT + TAGA SW 90 + SONY 55inch (all three connected to a single Belkin Strip) , Is this fine?

I went for NON EMI/RFI model as I want my entire house + devices(all those connected to my 5A sockets) to be safe guarded from this ridiculous high voltage(goes 260+). This was recommended by the Vertex Person.

Any suggestions please.
Note - I am yet to buy the Belkin Surge protector, (at Present I have a huntkey surge protector, thought of going in for something really standard like Belkin)

Hi Vijey_rockz
Congratulations on your purchase. Iam also planning for a similar setup shortly. But have quick question. What is your luminous inverter capacity as you have mentioned that you have connected all gears (TV, receiver, sub). Will the inverter not be overloaded? Also please clarify if receiver can be connected to inverter as some manufacturers have clearly recommend not to connect receiver to ups

 

[r_senthil]

It’s even more silent then the v gaurd. Only when u start up it produces a thud sound and beeps for 5-6 seconds which is a safety precaution. During the 6 seconds it calculates the voltage and start if it’s safe as per the pre-set values else it will shut down.During operations it is dead silent. Even the vgaurd keeps making a clicking noise. As u can see I have placed it close to my av rack. I sit just 7-8 feet from the stab and can assure you 100% you will not hear any noise. I have also checked placing my ears on the stab and it’s silent.

Hi Love4sound,
Thank you for the unboxing video. Loved it
Could you please let me know the size/dimensions of the vertex. Thanks

 

[Love4sound]

Hi Love4sound,
Thank you for the unboxing video. Loved it
Could you please let me know the size/dimensions of the vertex. Thanks

Unboxing video was by another fm. 17 inches depth,13inches height and 9 inches wide

 

[r_senthil]

Hi Vijey_rockz
Congratulations on your purchase. Iam also planning for a similar setup shortly. But have quick question. What is your luminous inverter capacity as you have mentioned that you have connected all gears (TV, receiver, sub). Will the inverter not be overloaded? Also please clarify if receiver can be connected to inverter as some manufacturers have clearly recommend not to connect receiver to ups

Hi Vijey_rockz or Dear FM - Please clarify

 

[Vijey_rockz]

Hi Vijey_rockz or Dear FM - Please clarify

Hi Senthil,

Sorry for the late response, my inverter capacity is 1.2kva, the inverter load may be fine as the combined load is 70watts TV, 310watts receiver, 100watts subwoofer. Also I don't plan to operate them during power cut, the idea is to switch off them properly when power goes off, Rather than they getting turned off abruptly and turning on back abruptly after power comes back. It always bothers me, when devices turn off during a power cut, for some reason I prefer a proper power down for all my devices and strictly tell my family members not to turn off the switch without powering down the device properly using remote or power button.

Regarding connecting the receiver to ups ,I think if the inverter is a square wave inverter it is not recommend. mine is a sinewave inverter and these days most of the inverters are sine wave.

 

[ravikumar-rotel]

Vertex servo stabliser 3Kva, will do a great task.

 

[lingamkrishnan]

My flat is getting ready with electrical work is going on, so planning to connect entire 3bhk with 5kva servo stabilizer. And for dedicated media room, will have 1kva inverter connected to belkin surge protector and then devices will be connected. (W2700 projector, Onkyo HT5805 AV and Nvidia Shield) will this be fine or any changes to be done? please suggest

 

[lingamkrishnan]

My flat is getting ready with electrical work is going on, so planning to connect entire 3bhk with 5kva servo stabilizer. And for dedicated media room, will have 1kva inverter connected to belkin surge protector and then devices will be connected. (W2700 projector, Onkyo HT5805 AV and Nvidia Shield) will this be fine or any changes to be done? please suggest

 

[Love4sound]

My flat is getting ready with electrical work is going on, so planning to connect entire 3bhk with 5kva servo stabilizer. And for dedicated media room, will have 1kva inverter connected to belkin surge protector and then devices will be connected. (W2700 projector, Onkyo HT5805 AV and Nvidia Shield) will this be fine or any changes to be done? please suggest

For your dedicated media room install separate line from MCB and use a good power conditioner.

 

[fLUX]

My flat is getting ready with electrical work is going on, so planning to connect entire 3bhk with 5kva servo stabilizer. And for dedicated media room, will have 1kva inverter connected to belkin surge protector and then devices will be connected. (W2700 projector, Onkyo HT5805 AV and Nvidia Shield) will this be fine or any changes to be done? please suggest

I am a little paranoid when it comes to equipments switching on and off repeatedly in a short span. This happens multiple times in Bangalore and since apartment backup inverters are not exactly switched immediately when electricity supply comes and goes , all equipment's go off and automatically start booting again.
That is the main reason I decided against a power conditioner and rather went for a 3KVA Online UPS for the entire room and personally recommend the same to others too.

 

[lingamkrishnan]

For your dedicated media room install separate line from MCB and use a good power conditioner.

Thanks,any suggestions?

 

[lingamkrishnan]

I am a little paranoid when it comes to equipments switching on and off repeatedly in a short span. This happens multiple times in Bangalore and since apartment backup inverters are not exactly switched immediately when electricity supply comes and goes , all equipment's go off and automatically start booting again.
That is the main reason I decided against a power conditioner and rather went for a 3KVA Online UPS for the entire room and personally recommend the same to others too.

Thanks, pls share the 3kva model name which you are using? Is it sufficient of 1kva if i connect projector alone in ups instead of the whole room?

 

[Love4sound]

Thanks,any suggestions?

Connect with FM's who use Invention audio power conditioner. Many gave positive feedback

 

[fLUX]

Thanks, pls share the 3kva model name which you are using? Is it sufficient of 1kva if i connect projector alone in ups instead of the whole room?

I use Eaton 3KVA , will need to check the exact model. 1KVA will suffice for the projector and probably the AVR too , I have my entire room running on the same and never seen it exceed 40% (1 Projector, 1 AVR , 7.2.4 setup , Power Amp , PC, few more low load items and fan/lights)

 

[k_vijay12]

@Love4sound , @fLUX - I have a question. While doing my HT room, i got separate circuit breakers for voltage protection, wont these be sufficient ? y again the need for voltage stablisers ? by default if voltage surges, the circuit breaker goes off - right? I understand the need for Online UPS .... does your UPS also provide voltage surge protection during regular power supply ?

 

[Love4sound]

@Love4sound , @fLUX - I have a question. While doing my HT room, i got separate circuit breakers for voltage protection, wont these be sufficient ? y again the need for voltage stablisers ? by default if voltage surges, the circuit breaker goes off - right? I understand the need for Online UPS .... does your UPS also provide voltage surge protection during regular power supply ?

It’s very common to get 240-250volts at times or atleast at my locality and the circuit breaker won’t engage for the mentioned voltages. The advantage of vertex is that you can set the output to 220 or 230 and you get stable voltage continuously. For sure my gears are getting the benefits with vertex. I have voltage problems at my place due to faulty neutral line. I don’t use ups and not worried about abrupt power cuts

 

[fLUX]

@Love4sound , @fLUX - I have a question. While doing my HT room, i got separate circuit breakers for voltage protection, wont these be sufficient ? y again the need for voltage stablisers ? by default if voltage surges, the circuit breaker goes off - right? I understand the need for Online UPS .... does your UPS also provide voltage surge protection during regular power supply ?

Online Double Conversion UPS are active at all times. It provides a constant 230V at all times regardless of source voltage so the equipment's are safe at all times. A voltage stabilizer as per my understanding compensates for under voltage by boosting the voltage to set levels and vice versa.

I wanted an Online UPS for the equipment's as in a society with invertor each time power comes and goes there are gaps ranging in few seconds where the equipment's can potentially turn on and off multiple times (sometimes the backup inverter supply trips and keeps trying to turn on which can cause this cycle to happen numerous times within a span of a minute).

I am not too sure about circuit breakers , I believe it would depend on the reliability of the ones being used to ensure that it does indeed instantly break the circuit at that very spot without letting anything leak further & on how many such hits it can take. Would let someone who has a better understanding of circuit breakers comment on the same.

 

[navin119]

Dear Members

I am planning to install a servo stabilizer for my Home theater/ living room. Its output will be directly connected to the MCB of the living room.
Loads being planned would be the standard HT equipment 5.1.4 setup ( AVR 5.1.4speakers, 15'subwoofer, projector, may be a couple of amplifiers, a few LED lights an a fan, fire stick, smaller audio equipment in future etc).

Wanted your inputs on the following

1. What Load capacity ??
Google searched, Denon 4700 shows 710w, Normal Amplifier 60W. Projector 800 W, 65'TV 200W
Could not get details for 15' subwoofer,
Will a 3KVA stabilizer suffice. Earlier @fLUX mentioned 3 KVa is adequate for the standard HT equipment.

2. I have already bought a 5KVa servo stabiliser. The cost is almost same as a 3 KVa stabiliser. Are there any disadvantages with the higher capacity, in case my load is much lesser?

Thanks

 

[sud98]

The vertex or any stabilizer is good for very large fluctuations but not necessarily very fast but helps in sustained high or low voltage.

The online UPS works as a buffer and regenerates the sine wave so protects from fluctuations, has a EMI Filter (so does a vertex or krykrd) and gives backup. But the Online UPS since its always on is quite noisy (needs to be outside your HT room or even your house if possible).

There are fast circuit breakers which only protect from damage but not let you continue usage.

CVTs are probably better than stabs for a/v usage as they give a constant voltage.

Inverters are the worst and never to be used in a A/V line as they give a square wave (same is the case of a cheaper UPS).