Help Needed - Deciding between LED & Plasma models

[dkaile]

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Yes, this warning there in the 40"LED that i have purchased; However I compared the picture quality of this TV with that of the Pany 42V20D and found it to be very difficult to differentiate and slightly inclining towards the LED; I got a 17K price difference, latest LED technology; now, why should I have gone for Plasma? I got 2 LED's in 75K for my budget of 60K for 1 Pany;

Just a thought...

 

[manu79]

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Yes, this warning there in the 40"LED that i have purchased; However I compared the picture quality of this TV with that of the Pany 42V20D and found it to be very difficult to differentiate and slightly inclining towards the LED; I got a 17K price difference, latest LED technology; now, why should I have gone for Plasma? I got 2 LED's in 75K for my budget of 60K for 1 Pany;

Just a thought...

Yeah picture quality as u say is very difficult to differentiate, if we are taking the grey route then most TV's discussed in this topic will come with a 20 - 30% reduction .. btw are u getting any warranty of sorts ?

When i was planning to pick the EX500 in Jan 2010 prior to the ex710 saga the 32inch was retailing for 49990 in the showroom, around 38 to 40k in the grey market and 28k INR in Singapore SONY showroom when i checked during my vacation. SONY pricing is absurd when you see the difference.

 

[winallodd]

OK. We have seen a lot of discussions around IR, image burn etc. for Plasmas. Is there anyone who actually experienced these things with plasma ? One of my friend is having plasma for an yr now and he is not aware of these so called plasma issues but having no problem.

I dont think, unless you abuse the panel, there will be any problem with plasma.

 

[dkaile]

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But main issue now is why plasma, when you can get better picture quality with the latest LED's, which consume 1/5th power, is the future and have better software upgradibility...

dont compare plasma's to lcd's; that was another matter; compare them to the latest LED's and I dont see any reason to stick with them...

 

[nipunkul]

Lots of thoughts on both sides. I have decided to go and compare samsung C630 and Panny v20d at the shop again... any ideas on lowest available c630 v c650 40" pricing in NCR?

 

[dkaile]

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Samsung C630 is an LCD and not an LED; If you would like to compare kindly compare with a 5 series or 6 series LED TV..

 

[nipunkul]

I realized closest priced 6 series LED is SAMSUNG UA40C6200UR, which is over 70K, whereas 5 series is way below the panasonic in contrast and blacks. 6 series LCD is in my price range, but again is not as good as the plasma...

how about LG 42LE7500 or LE5500... I heard they are too reflective in a lit room?

 

[dkaile]

as u are in delhi, I wud advice u to pick up the same from gaffar market; I picked up a 5 series ua40c5000 at 42k and found its picture quality equivalent if not better than 42v20d and i saved a cool 17k; 6 series 46" led was available for 88k but then its 46"...

 

[haisaikat]

IR in current generation Plasma is a little bit over hyped, try abusing an LCD/LED panel in the same way and you will get IR no surprises here .....

In most cases you wont find many people around you who have suffered permanent IR with LCD, LED backlit, Plasma or CRT TV, at the most its temporary IR which gets cleared the moment screen gets refreshed. You have to really abuse a set to get permanent IR.

I was in the bandwagon for a flat panel TV recently, Plasma to be honest was not even in my list considering the bad reputation that has been stuck around ... I almost finalized on the ex 710 until i went for the demo on a Panny Plasma. The vivid and bright image on the ex710 sure looked good but didn't suit my taste since the colors were not so natural. The colors on the Plasma were natural and if you like the souped up image quality then even that can be calibrated, and input lag on gaming is nil ...


Also please read the user manuals carefully, a lot of people say the warning on IR is put only in Plasma panels , here's and extract from the Samsung user manual for an LED backlit set which i got it from AVS forum sometime back when i was checking on the sets.

The second page of the Samsung User Manual (from their website) for the above LED back-lit TV's has the warning:

Precautions When Displaying a Still Image
A still image may cause permanent damage to the TV screen

* Do not display a still image on the LED panel for more than 2 hours as it can cause screen image retention. This image retention is also known as screen burn. To avoid such image retention, reduce the degree of brightness and contrast of the screen when displaying a still image.
* Watching the LED TV in 4:3 format for a long period of time may leave traces of borders displayed on the left, right and center of the screen caused by the difference of light emission on the screen. Playing a DVD or a game console may cause a similar effect to the screen. Damages caused by the above effect are not covered by the Warranty.
* Displaying still images from Video games and PC for longer than a certain period of time may produce partial after-images. To prevent this effect, reduce the brightness and contrast when displaying still images.

Thanks. I never know that LEDs can also have burn -ins. May be they are not as severe as plasmas i mean not easily caused as plasmas?

 

[midnitefreakin]

thats news that even LCD/Leds are prone to burns...I think its ltd to plasmas only...

Plasmas are grt choice but for that you need a dark room or a dedicated room.

Watching plasma in an lighted area would be a prob, here LED will perform better.

For a dedicated Ht room plasma would be a good choice, but a drwaing room/ hall type set up i think Led makes much sense.


Still the argument will go on n on...

 

[sanjay0864]

Go for LED, newer technology with better color gamut control

What 'new' technology are you referring to? There is nothing 'technologically' new about using a different source of light, which is all these so called "LED" TVs are.

But main issue now is why plasma, when you can get better picture quality with the latest LED's, which consume 1/5th power, is the future and have better software upgradibility...

Plasma, simply because they are generally better than anything else in their price range. Also, because the Panasonic VT20 plasma TV series are still the best TV one can buy.
By the way, what in the world are you referring to with "better software upgradeability"?

dont compare plasma's to lcd's; that was another matter; compare them to the latest LED's and I dont see any reason to stick with them...

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Samsung C630 is an LCD and not an LED; If you would like to compare kindly compare with a 5 series or 6 series LED TV..

For the love of god, there is no such thing as a 'LED' TV, well atleast not available in the consumer market in any reasonable size yet. The so called 'LED' TV is nothing but a 'LCD' TV using LEDs instead of CFLs as the light source.

 

[manu79]

thats news that even LCD/Leds are prone to burns...I think its ltd to plasmas only...

Plasmas are grt choice but for that you need a dark room or a dedicated room.

Watching plasma in an lighted area would be a prob, here LED will perform better.

For a dedicated Ht room plasma would be a good choice, but a drwaing room/ hall type set up i think Led makes much sense.


Still the argument will go on n on...

What i quoted was from a Samsung user manual for LED backlit sets, i didnt make that up. All flat panels are prone to IR or burn in if abused. As i said earlier this burn in thing has been over hyped for Plasma's.

About watching plasma in a lighted area, i really dont find that much of a problem, other owners here can vouch for that. My set is in the drawing room too. The current generation plasma's have evolved....

I am not posting this for arguments sake, i want to remove the typical myths cleared, cuz i myself was in situation while purchasing my set.

 

[dkaile]

@sanjay
lolz... you need to know how to get the best price for your products; I got a price advantage of 17k over v20d and comparable if not better picture quality; I know these are all pseudo led's but they have better colour gamut and brightness than the conventional lcd's and also consume less power... I did extensive tests on v20d for 2 days at the pana brand shop at lajpat nagar and then compared the same on this led... really dont know what superiority of plasmas you are referring to...

In the end, I really cant convince die hard plasma fans but I am talking what I am seeing under similar test conditions and that is the best judge for a product not some manipulated demo videos...

 

[manu79]

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Is brighter better ?

What about color saturation ? .. That was i reason i dropped the ex710, the colors looked artificially souped up. It would have been good for presentations though


The way our discussions are going, I really wish CRT's come back with bang Ultra high definition resolution with under 20watts power consumption large size displays, and slim profiles :yahoo:

 

[dkaile]

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Take a high resolution movie (like avatar etc.; I took avatar extended release collectors edition in mp4 format) on your media player and go and watch on this led (ua40c5000) as well as v20d through hdmi; thats what i did and then check the colour saturation and all other parameters... kindly then give feedback...

 

[Imrahn]

@sanjay
lolz... you need to know how to get the best price for your products; I got a price advantage of 17k over v20d and comparable if not better picture quality; I know these are all pseudo led's but they have better colour gamut and brightness than the conventional lcd's and also consume less power... I did extensive tests on v20d for 2 days at the pana brand shop at lajpat nagar and then compared the same on this led... really dont know what superiority of plasmas you are referring to...

In the end, I really cant convince die hard plasma fans but I am talking what I am seeing under similar test conditions and that is the best judge for a product not some manipulated demo videos...

Happy to see that u r very thrilled with ur purchase bro, and u have every right to be- ur money afterall.But, do consider that u are comparing a no-warranty pricing to a piece with 3 years warranty....u cannot say 'getting best price for a product' in that case.U took a risk, and by GOD's grace, may it pay off for u.The case that u are casually referring to as getting repaired if something goes wrong itself is an indication that u dont have much experience with the ASS condition in our country.In most cases, these TV companies won't do any repair, they would simply push for a panel replacement which costs almost 80-85% of the product price,especially since it is a non-billed product.But the upside to the risk u took is that return rates of Sony/Samsung TVs are very low atleast during the first year of purchase(the period of warranty).So, it can definitely work out in favour of u, but also understand that if something does go wrong, u will be completely stranded with the only option of shelling out nearly the amount of a new set.

So, keeping apart the LED/LCD/Plasma debate, plz do remember this before recommending grey market stuff.Just take it as a friendly suggestion only,i know all about freedom of speech.

 

[dkaile]

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I get so many products from the US over here like my samsung EPIC 4G phone; what guarantee do I get for it here? many people bring products from abroad; they also dont get any proper warranty here... so I picked up 3 tv's and saved a cool 60K+; whats the probability of all them going kaput? surely, you can do the maths; u just need to be pragmatic in ensuring the source of picking up these goods...

and why shouldnt I be comparing the prices and making people aware here of the cost benefits... rest every man has to take his own choice...

 

[Imrahn]

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I get so many products from the US over here like my samsung EPIC 4G phone; what guarantee do I get for it here? many people bring products from abroad; they also dont get any proper warranty here... so I picked up 3 tv's and saved a cool 60K+; whats the probability of all them going kaput? surely, you can do the maths; u just need to be pragmatic in ensuring the source of picking up these goods...

and why shouldnt I be comparing the prices and making people aware here of the cost benefits... rest every man has to take his own choice...

Yea, whatever rocks ur boat,huh??

Good choice on the sets btw,always liked Samsung picture over Sony/LG though a tad oversaturated/hotter...me too prefer it that way.

 

[manu79]

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Take a high resolution movie (like avatar etc.; I took avatar extended release collectors edition in mp4 format) on your media player and go and watch on this led (ua40c5000) as well as v20d through hdmi; thats what i did and then check the colour saturation and all other parameters... kindly then give feedback...

Avtaar BD played perfectly fine on the V20 i am not sure what is that difference you have observed which makes you feel the v20 picture quality was inferior. Can you gurantee that the picture you saw on your LED would have pleased Mr Cameron and not the one on v20

I wish CRT's make a comeback hyeah:

 

[dkaile]

Yaa. Even B&Ws should make a comeback... lolz...

If u r happy living in the past, its fine with me....

Avtaar BD played perfectly fine on the V20 i am not sure what is that difference you have observed which makes you feel the v20 picture quality was inferior. Can you gurantee that the picture you saw on your LED would have pleased Mr Cameron and not the one on v20

I wish CRT's make a comeback hyeah:

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