Help Needed - Deciding between LED & Plasma models

[adder]

One of the worlds first lcds to get 1080lines of motion resolution was Sony Z450A and 46,55" X450A back in 2008. Sony KDL40Z4500 / KDL-40Z4500 Review: Bravia 200Hz LCD TV

Off course in reality one cannot make out the difference in that extra bit of motion resolution increase from 100hz(600 to 700lines) to 200hz lcds(900 to 1080lines).

The samsung 200hz lcd like the C8000 series also achives 1080lines of motion resolution http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue46c8000-ue40c8000-20100529695.htm

 

[longshanks]

right so lets all buy the z series Sony from 2008 which suffers from color processing issues and has a native contrast ratio which is lower than many of the Sony entry level models.

Without engaging [Motionflow], baseline motion resolution on the Sony KDL40Z4500 HDTV was measured to be 300 according to Chapter 31 of the FPD Benchmark Software For Professional test disc. Setting [Motionflow] to Standard was enough to boost motion resolution to 1080, the highest weve ever recorded on an LCD television. Even the Min setting delivered a motion resolution of 750 surpassing all other LCD TVs weve tested to date though the image did seem less stable (the scrolling lines flickered more) compared to either Standard or Max.

 

[haisaikat]

Any lights on 46EX710 or LG 50PK550?

 

[adder]

The EX710 will be replaced by the EX720 this one has 200hz motionflow and a new image processing and more efficient LED emitters.It also has more features and may have a opera browser built in.
I see no reasons to get the older 46" EX710.
Sony Redefines Television With New BRAVIA LCD HDTV Line : Regional Press Releases : Sony Asia Pacific

Not all plasmas have full 1080 lines of motion resolution.The first plasma to achive 1080lines was Pioneer in 2007 and a year later lcds from Sony and samsung achieved the same.

The upcoming high end lcds like Sony HX92x have motion flow 800.

 

[haisaikat]

So combining adder and rajapraveen80 's input it appears that once LED tvs cross the 200Hz frame extrapolation rate then they start nearing 1080 moving resolution lines? Am I correct? So EX720 may near Pana U and V series in terms of moving pic resolution however black levels may have to be judged in comparison where the product actually comes to comes to market?

In overall aspect can we expect the EX720 series to be something near the Pana U and V series? I would then wait for its launch not sure about the price though since the Sony link you guys have posted shows EX720 to be launched in February.

 

[adder]

The 2010 SPVA/UV2A based lcds can match the ANSI black levels of panasonic U and V series plasmas,you can see the measurements in hdtvtest.co.uk .

Whats unclear is how much improvement is there in 2011 models

 

[longshanks]

The 2010 LCD's from any brand cannot match the blacks of v20.Pana v20 is in a different planet altogether in terms of pic quality when compared to EX710.

hdtvtest.co.uk is the only site which quotes decent blacks for sony lcd and its quite obvious why.

 

[dkaile]

Do you think this would have been possible if Panasonic Plasmas were so good -
Samsung wants to sell 10 million 3D TVs this year, LG plans on 5 million -- Engadget

Just ask panasonic how many plasmas they plan to sell next year...

The world is evolving... I think we should evolve with it...

 

[longshanks]

3Dtv = LCD .............. Right:thumbsup:


Best HDTVs overall - CNET Reviews

TV & monitor recommendations - FlatpanelsHD

Last year the top TV's in almost all review sites were plasma's, let us all buy plasma's

Home theater outsells stereo setup by a huge margin every year so that does not make mean home theater is the best in audio quality.

Evolution is not buying things blindly without proper Knowledge.

 

[dkaile]

^
But can you deny the fact that the market share of plasma's is declining day by day and year by year... though they are trying to keep alive somehow...

 

[sud98]

Guys cool down.

You have given the pros and cons of plasma and LCD and also the best TV in the price range for LCD and plasma, so let the OP see for himself and decide.

 

[adder]

Obviously some people just can't digest the facts.SPVA and UV2A panels can match the current gen plasma in blacks.

Off course people them self can see that with their own subjective evaluation of the tv.

 

[sanjay0864]

Do you think this would have been possible if Panasonic Plasmas were so good -
Samsung wants to sell 10 million 3D TVs this year, LG plans on 5 million -- Engadget

Just ask panasonic how many plasmas they plan to sell next year...

The world is evolving... I think we should evolve with it...

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But can you deny the fact that the market share of plasma's is declining day by day and year by year... though they are trying to keep alive somehow...

I'm sorry, but you seem to have little understanding of how the consumer market works. Consumer electronics history is replete with cases of inferior technologies winning the market over far superior technologies. In fact, in the consumer electronics market, very rarely is there a direct co-relation between market share and quality. Case in point is the VHS winning the video war over Beta. I suppose, by your argument the Maruti 800 is the best car ever sold in India, after all they did have by far the largest market share for almost two and half decades. Even today Maruti has the largest market share in India, so does that make their cars the best?

It's funny that someone mentioned the power of marketing in reference to people believing that 'plasmas' are superior to 'LCDs'. In actuality the power of marketing has convinced the average joe that LCD TVs and now the so called LED TVs, are god's gift to mankind.

As for "the world evolving", I'm not to sure I'd call it 'evolving', rather, I think the term "dumbing down to the lowest common denominator" is more appropriate.

PS: Some of the best technologies are never even allowed to reach the consumer market due to corporate politics.

 

[dkaile]

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I think you have become too paranoid with plasma to really see another point of view even though all prime factors are pointing to the contrary... It has been conclusively proven that plasma is a "has been" technology on its last breath till some manufacturers keep up their support. If you want to bet, lets meet again after 5 years and see the fate of plasmas... led's are the future and will totally wipe out plasmas in the next 3 years... the spva panels and oled technology of samsung will outdo all plasmas in next 2 years...

I did not want this discussion to turn ugly but your constant personal attacks clearly reflect your adamant approach which will serve no purpose in guiding a new entrant into this field and your 30 years of experience has made you unable to digest any facts to the contrary... a person buying a hd tv today doesnt want to feel shortchanged 3-5 years down the line... kindly wake up before you are left too behind...

 

[manu79]

Apart from power consumption we cant see any clear advantage in an pseudo led tvs. They are only worth reccomending if the pricing comes down to plasma levels or even less, grey market is a strict no no for an avg user. Oled seems to be the future as of now but no one in this forum including me can vouch for it 100% the reason being we can at the best pull out stats and facts from the web while there are still people showing interest in all segments and people who opted the plasma hve their reasons. Its the misrepresentation of the facts that is causing undue confusion and duress to people seeking genuine advices here.
For a technology which is supposedly on its last breath, most major manufaturers are still producing it, thats a fact.

 

[sud98]

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a person buying a hd tv today doesnt want to feel shortchanged 3-5 years down the line... kindly wake up before you are left too behind...

While I personally like the sharpness of the new LED's, do remember that even if technology evolves, your TV in the living room doesnt.

Both technologies may evolve even the current so called LED's may become obsolete once OLED comes in, but how does that affect your current buying of a TV?

You need to buy the best TV currently available as per your needs and eyes. Period.

 

[dkaile]

as per your needs and eyes. Period.

that is where I agree with you fully; and suggest all new buyers to do similar comparative tests rather than going with one or the other technology based on its reputation/reviews...

 

[nipunkul]

wow, this debate has raged long. i still did not get to see V20D and EX710 playing the same thing side by side. Any suggestions which store in delhi this might be possible. I did check out samsung C6900 and EX710 for the same video, and think sony is much better value for money... near 16K for marginal difference in PQ, except for the boosted colors saturation that samsung keeps display sets on.

I have left the decision between EX710 and V20, but will not buy either, until I see them both together.

 

[drasitkhanna]

have just got my Sammy 46" 3D LED/LCD C8000 delivered today !!
(along with the freebees )
will open it tomorrow and the guys will also come for installation then.
btw , i hav eclicked pics of the stcker on the boxs backside and it says -------------- UA46C8000XRMXL.
Which tech guru here knows the breakup of this "code" !!
afaik the C ( after the UA46) stands for the manufacturer of the panel (S for Samsung, C for some chinese/Taiwanese manufacturer..??

PL. CLARIFY !!
Will post on my experience !!!!

 

[Gfreeman]

Obviously some people just can't digest the facts.SPVA and UV2A panels can match the current gen plasma in blacks.

Off course people them self can see that with their own subjective evaluation of the tv.

Aha.They have given a contrast ratio of 5222 while it is actually 94/0.02=4700 for the HX800. Looks like they have been itching to give a boost somewhere to the HX800