Hisense TVs India Price and availability - Blocked by Hisense!

[gnan10]

I think peek brightness and high contrast more important than gradient and low delta errors. HDR performance h9g is king as per the reviews. And one more thing h9g is 50k cheaper!!!! High level scores comes as a result for deep level test!!

I'm sure you have no bad experience with banding.
Gradient performance is damn important while spending more than a lakh. And sorry to burst ur bubble, Peak brightness isn't only the factor which brings proper HDR performance.
And you might be okay with fake colors. But I am really reluctant against the fake shades.
There's no eArc too. Can't even fit a proper Atmos soundbar.
And 50k cheaper!! where is h9G in india? I can't see it anywhere

 

[gnan10]

Not necessarily. I am fine with avforums, CNET, flatpanelshd, etc you gets to choose.
These guys actually test TVs.
I am sorry to say none of these reviewers share your enthusiasm.
CNET - 7/10
Avforums - 7/10
Flatpanelshd - 73/100
Very much a middling performance, nothing to match the high end pricing sony asks.

I think you got me wrong.
I didn't asked you to check elsewhere. I asked you to dig deeper into the same ratings.
Don't simply go with the scores.
To just to give you an example,
For instance you have a picture of few 100s of shades of same color with in one frame. This kind of pictures Will be rendered as it is, and you will notice the clear difference from shade to shade on sony with no effort. But in case of Hisense you hardly notice and enjoy the all different kind of shades. Having higher color volume is characteristics of panel. But rendering them in real world content is upto the processing/rendering engine and it's algorithms.
Sony is already mastered in their own game. Hisense is nothing but a cheap TV. Can be considered only if it costs less than 75k

 

[volksjger]

My friend is area sales manager in samsung he can get me samsung tv at very attractive price but i have no idea which 2020 samsung tv is comparable to likes of sony 8000h & 9000h so far all my previous tvs have been sony so im very much reluctant to go with samsung

Please don't even consider 8000H, its a trash TV. Check this out

 

[josedandrew]

I think you got me wrong.
I didn't asked you to check elsewhere. I asked you to dig deeper into the same ratings.
Don't simply go with the scores.
To just to give you an example,
For instance you have a picture of few 100s of shades of same color with in one frame. This kind of pictures Will be rendered as it is, and you will notice the clear difference from shade to shade on sony with no effort. But in case of Hisense you hardly notice and enjoy the all different kind of shades. Having higher color volume is characteristics of panel. But rendering them in real world content is upto the processing/rendering engine and it's algorithms.
Sony is already mastered in their own game. Hisense is nothing but a cheap TV. Can be considered only if it costs less than 75k

There is nothing special to talk about x95g other than gradation and out of the box color accuracy.
While it scored an excellent 9.out of 10 in gradation, the hisense scored a very respectable 8.2. So don't say hisense is a trash in this area.
And except those 2 above mentioned category hisense scored better than sony in almost everything.
The major issue with x95g is but blooming.
Avforums review talks about in detail and goes on to say this issue has ruined an otherwise good tv.
You can check the video review and CNET too says the same.
The blooming is due to lower native contrast ratio with paltry 50 dimming zones and having to compensate by overdriving the local.dimming system.
You can also.check the flatpanelshd review to find how contrast drops further in hdr mode.
I am stopping here, as there is no need to go over all the details that are already therein those reviews.

 

[volksjger]

Please enlighten me by sharing the source of this information.

I have already shared it here regarding the judder and banding effect of H9G, you can check this post : https://www.hifivision.com/threads/...lability-blocked-by-hisense.80669/post-895698
FALD Algorithms are also extremely important as well which Sony is praised for and H9G FALD algorithms are still not sony level.
Note, H9G does not compete with high end TVs out of the box, in a video from youtuber "stop the fomo", a professional calibrator had to calibrate for around 2 hours to bring the best out of the TV before they set it up for comparison and it is not at all an easy task even to find those settings on AVS forums and do it ourselves trust me, but it is doable but it's still a headache as there are many settings to fiddle with. Is Calibrating a Hisense H9G Worth It?

They said Toshiba will be launched on Sept 18, but I have no faith in them after seeing the gimmicks played by Reliance Digital. They take pre-orders and the TV goes out of stock and all the orders placed will be cancelled. Currently all this looks hunky dory but it ain't, after looking at the growing tensions at the ladakh border, there could be a major disruption of supply chain issues if a small conflict or war breaks out and the TV might not be launched as well, even if it gets launched, the same hisense A71F like scene might get repeated with toshiba as well and relation with china is not going to be great hereafter so there is a lot of un-certainty. I am also sure that H9G will undergo some kind of cost cutting in India.

 

[dilip001]

I don't think Toshiba is launching 65u8080 model on September 18. As per the link here, 4 year panel warranty is available only 5050 and 7980 series. So likely possible that U8080 is not on the table or not offered 4 year panel warranty.

 

[aditya2603d]

Other than color volume and contrast ratio.
H9G is inferior to X950G in every way.
Why did you even doubt it? Just curious!

Sorry but Sony x9500G has horrible blooming which is highly distracting . The blooming is even more pronounced for HDR videos and it just takes the fun away from watching movies in dark environment. Upscaling is definitely superior in Sony but it's a non issue because no one is buying a flagship TV just to watch DTH channels, and if that is your requirement one is even better off with the VU's, Mi and other sub 50k brands

 

[arunlouie]

Now just have to know how reliable is Hisense? I see some have referenced stats from US consumer forums about the reliability issues. Sharing actual links would be good.

 

[gnan10]

There is nothing special to talk about x95g other than gradation and out of the box color accuracy.
While it scored an excellent 9.out of 10 in gradation, the hisense scored a very respectable 8.2. So don't say hisense is a trash in this area.
And except those 2 above mentioned category hisense scored better than sony in almost everything.
The major issue with x95g is but blooming.
Avforums review talks about in detail and goes on to say this issue has ruined an otherwise good tv.
You can check the video review and CNET too says the same.
The blooming is due to lower native contrast ratio with paltry 50 dimming zones and having to compensate by overdriving the local.dimming system.
You can also.check the flatpanelshd review to find how contrast drops further in hdr mode.
I am stopping here, as there is no need to go over all the details that are already therein those reviews.

Sorry but Sony x9500G has horrible blooming which is highly distracting . The blooming is even more pronounced for HDR videos and it just takes the fun away from watching movies in dark environment. Upscaling is definitely superior in Sony but it's a non issue because no one is buying a flagship TV just to watch DTH channels, and if that is your requirement one is even better off with the VU's, Mi and other sub 50k brands

Have you seen the blooming in person?
Blooming is evident only on HDR but not on SDR.
I have seen that TV in person. If you say even SDR has blooming then I'm sure you have no experience with that TV.
Why would someone even watch an LED TV in pitch dark room? It would definitely ruin the viewing experience. It's not an OLED. Atleast put on some 5 watt LED for better viewing experience.
And did I mention that my requirement is watching DTH. Don't rub your requirement on others.
I don't even have DTH from past 3 years.
And most of the indian ott content is non 4k. Upscaling is damn important. Just don't go behind some product just because it's cheaper to buy. Blooming was reduced exponentially in x950H model.
Installing the X950H firmware on G model would take 950G to next level.
Toshiba 8080 is nothing but a crap TV with vida os.
Their upscaling, HDR tone mapping, Color Calibration, Black crushing, Color Banding, UI lag, Compressed Object based audio and so on..
Can't afford to accept all these cheap stuff while spending over a lakh.
Just don't get mislead by others and don't let others to mislead. Customer satisfaction rating is too low for these TVs.

PS: I prefer sony way of processing. I prefer exposing the Shadow details than crushing them in the name of deeper blacks. Thats sucks. It's pretty much subjective.

 

[gnan10]

Now just have to know how reliable is Hisense? I see some have referenced stats from US consumer forums about the reliability issues. Sharing actual links would be good.

Pretty much unreliable at the moment

 

[arunlouie]

Pretty much unreliable at the moment

If you read it properly, I was looking for a personal read on the feedbacks, so was asking some references. Not on personal opinions again

 

[prabhash]

Have you seen the blooming in person?
Blooming is evident only on HDR but not on SDR.
I have seen that TV in person. If you say even SDR has blooming then I'm sure you have no experience with that TV.
Why would someone even watch an LED TV in pitch dark room? It would definitely ruin the viewing experience. It's not an OLED. Atleast put on some 5 watt LED for better viewing experience.
And did I mention that my requirement is watching DTH. Don't rub your requirement on others.
I don't even have DTH from past 3 years.
And most of the indian ott content is non 4k. Upscaling is damn important. Just don't go behind some product just because it's cheaper to buy. Blooming was reduced exponentially in x950H model.
Installing the X950H firmware on G model would take 950G to next level.
Toshiba 8080 is nothing but a crap TV with vida os.
Their upscaling, HDR tone mapping, Color Calibration, Black crushing, Color Banding, UI lag, Compressed Object based audio and so on..
Can't afford to accept all these cheap stuff while spending over a lakh.
Just don't get mislead by others and don't let others to mislead. Customer satisfaction rating is too low for these TVs.

PS: I prefer sony way of processing. I prefer exposing the Shadow details than crushing them in the name of deeper blacks. Thats sucks. It's pretty much subjective.

Does the firmware thing work with Indian models? If so, is it even worth waiting for and getting the 950H?

 

[volksjger]

If you read it properly, I was looking for a personal read on the feedbacks, so was asking some references. Not on personal opinions again

It doesn't look like a personal opinion to me. I read so many reviews online and it is very easy to find on Google regarding Hisense and Vizio. Not just crap reviews but very meaningful ones. Just look at consumer affairs usa, I have also shared a video from stop the fomo in this thread itself where he personally says Hisense and Vizio are bottom of the pile in customer satisfaction and also has high rate of warranty claims, in India during initial period of A71F launch there were many TVs with DSE effect and warranty claim procedure wasn't smooth. There was a survey of 95,000+ Hisense TV owners and most of their TVs in USA didn't make it post warranty period. You can also check Amazon .com and their -ve reviews are no joke. I wouldn't recommend reading amazon.in reviews due to legitimacy issues.

I also saw a review on Vida OS where the user lost subtitles in Netflix. Now I can't share link for this because I saw this after deep milling through internet on Reddit forums.

Now let's talk common sense. Toshiba U8080 doesn't come with HDMI 2.1 so if we are using a 4k Firestick, you are locked at 4k @ 60FPS . If we want to enjoy the full potential of this TV then we are forced to use that buggy Vida OS. And with the latest update of Vida OS, they are forcing home page ads and with Vida OS they will push whatever they want you to see. Note: 900$ Hisense H9G in the US comes with Android OS.

And upscaling of these TVs are not comparable to Sony. I read this from many users not just from Amazon US reviews, you can find issues on Reddit, AVS forums as well. Upscaling of 720p - 1080p content on a Hisense is crap.

No just US, even Australia has the worst consumer satisfaction with Hisense TVs, check out whirlpool .au forums.
https://www.consumerreports.org/tvs...se-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/

Consumer Reports No Longer Recommends Vizio and Hisense TVs Due to Problems with Reliability

 

[iambatman28]

If you read it properly, I was looking for a personal read on the feedbacks, so was asking some references. Not on personal opinions again

Hisense and Vizio TVs Lose Consumer Reports' Recommendation Over Reliability Issues

Hisense and Vizio TVs lose their Consumer Reports recommendation due to poor reliability ratings. Consumer Reports' exclusive survey also reveals sharp differences among TV brands in owner satisfaction.

www.consumerreports.org

 

[gnan10]

If you read it properly, I was looking for a personal read on the feedbacks, so was asking some references. Not on personal opinions again

Hufff...Before spouting something just do a quick search. It's not personal opinion.
Hisense isn't Sony, LG or samsung. They are unreliable as f just like vizio and TCL.

 

[gnan10]

It doesn't look like a personal opinion to me. I read so many reviews online and it is very easy to find on Google regarding Hisense and Vizio. Not just crap reviews but very meaningful ones. Just look at consumer affairs usa, I have also shared a video from stop the fomo in this thread itself where he personally says Hisense and Vizio are bottom of the pile in customer satisfaction and also has high rate of warranty claims, in India during initial period of A71F launch there were many TVs with DSE effect and warranty claim procedure wasn't smooth. There was a survey of 95,000+ Hisense TV owners and most of their TVs in USA didn't make it post warranty period. You can also check Amazon .com and their -ve reviews are no joke. I wouldn't recommend reading amazon.in reviews due to legitimacy issues.

I also saw a review on Vida OS where the user lost subtitles in Netflix. Now I can't share link for this because I saw this after deep milling through internet on Reddit forums.

Now let's talk common sense. Toshiba U8080 doesn't come with HDMI 2.1 so if we are using a 4k Firestick, you are locked at 4k @ 60FPS . If we want to enjoy the full potential of this TV then we are forced to use that buggy Vida OS. And with the latest update of Vida OS, they are forcing home page ads and with Vida OS they will push whatever they want you to see. Note: 900$ Hisense H9G in the US comes with Android OS.

And upscaling of these TVs are not comparable to Sony. I read this from many users not just from Amazon US reviews, you can find issues on Reddit, AVS forums as well. Upscaling of 720p - 1080p content on a Hisense is crap.

No just US, even Australia has the worst consumer satisfaction with Hisense TVs, check out whirlpool .au forums.
https://www.consumerreports.org/tvs...se-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/

Consumer Reports No Longer Recommends Vizio and Hisense TVs Due to Problems with Reliability

Glad someone using their brain.
I really don't appreciate people going behind a product just because it's cheaper. It's cheaper for a reason. I honestly agree that sony's pricing is ridiculous in india. But it doesn't change the fact that their TV's are damn good.

 

[arunlouie]

Personal opinion without citing references and not have used in person is what I termed. Nothing more. Just like you asked for Sony TV.

And thanks to @volksjger for taking time in sharing all those details. I did saw those already. And I also searched on feedbacks on their flagships models which is were I dont see much negative reviews. And still they are too selling liek hot cakes after all these reports. Also the one posted form amazon is contradicting many professional reviews.

I still dont say it is the gretest of all LED, but not proven bad than x950g.


PS: I myself a sony user for many years.

 

[shainz]

U8080 just under 1 lacs doesnt come cheap we all want tvs that last atleast good 4-5 years by going thru posts im having second thoughts, i think i might settle for 65 sony 8000h or 9000h if its around 1.40 lacs when available

 

[sunnysinghb]

Any idea why we don't have reviews (professional or owner) of the Samsung QLED models in India? If you see elsewhere (UK/US), models like Q80R/Q80T have got extremely amazing reviews and are highly recommended. Even Q70R has good reviews. I also don't see many recommending these TVs. I understand their prices fall in the OLED category but a good TV is a good TV nevertheless of the brand or the technology used.

 

[gnan10]

Does the firmware thing work with Indian models? If so, is it even worth waiting for and getting the 950H?

Yes it works on every G model despite the region.
But if we opt G model with H firmware then we would still have to lose few x950H hardware goodies like panel's more color volume coverage, lesser reflective nature, x wide angle treatment and speakers (which most of us doesn't care).