Hisense TVs India Price and availability - Blocked by Hisense!

[arunlouie]

Yes it works on every G model despite the region.
But if we opt G model with H firmware then we would still have to lose few x950H hardware goodies like panel's more color volume coverage, lesser reflective nature, x wide angle treatment and speakers (which most of us doesn't care).

Any details on what fixes it can bring to the G model? Someone already done that and compared to 950h ?

 

[gnan10]

Any details on what fixes it can bring to the G model? Someone already done that and compared to 950h ?

As per owners in AVS forum.
They noticed clear upgrade in motion and FALD algorithms which reduced the blooming.
And for some reason it brought down few nits of peak brightness too.
Edit: UI got snappier with new Picture settings menu which has HSL curves. Super handy for manual calibration.

 

[arunlouie]

As per owners in AVS forum.
They noticed clear upgrade in motion and FALD algorithms which reduced the blooming.
And for some reason it brought down few nits of peak brightness too.

That sounds like H process

 

[Yoman!]

Toshiba email update: after even 20 days no reply from them regarding u8080 release. Ofcourse they now have announced a launch date for other models and maybe u8080 too..but it's surprising for them not to reply to 2 general query mails. The follow up with the chief of customer experience india also fell flat. I shot out 2 mails to him..both returned with a hop error... I tried verifying the email id too Plus also removed the forwarded conversations to avoid any loop pinging..but still to no avail. It may have been delivered or may not have been...but this is enough to put me off the purchase....no toshiba or hisense for me. I just cannot rely on them to provide me an iota of satisfactory after sales service.

 

[arunlouie]

Now TCL is coming with QD-OLED this year. Yes this year.. lot more options if its done at Tirupathi factory.

 

[Yoman!]

Any idea why we don't have reviews (professional or owner) of the Samsung QLED models in India? If you see elsewhere (UK/US), models like Q80R/Q80T have got extremely amazing reviews and are highly recommended. Even Q70R has good reviews. I also don't see many recommending these TVs. I understand their prices fall in the OLED category but a good TV is a good TV nevertheless of the brand or the technology used.

Hey I have heard about black crush in samsung qleds especially q70r. Personally between black crush and blooming I'd prefer blooming. Also there are noticeable brightness changes in dark scenes with subtitles in q80r. You can find videos related to the same on youtube...again this is from what I have read or seen on youtube. Not personally

 

[lightgamer]

Now TCL is coming with QD-OLED this year. Yes this year.. lot more options if its done at Tirupathi factory.

TCL doesn't even release their budget 6 and 8 series mini LED in India, just junk they can't sell in other countries due to real reviewers there. No way they're releasing a good TV here.

 

[arunlouie]

TCL doesn't even release their budget 6 and 8 series mini LED in India, just junk they can't sell in other countries due to real reviewers there. No way they're releasing a good TV here.

Yes you are right, I was one of few who was cribbing their twitter handle for mini led updates. The local factory has just started production I suppose, so things might change ( or not). Anyway Samsung QD-OLED is due for next year, so the competition is up already.

 

[Yoman!]

And what many people seem to not get is that consumer behaviour is different in these regions as compared to India. These reviewers certainly do have an international appeal but they are primarily reviewing for their region. Most of the folks in us get these TV's at insane prices during black Friday and boxing day sales. Like knock off 50percent from their us prices. If I get a h9g which is a great budget t.v at 25-35k for 65inches I'd definitely buy it..doesn't matter if it lasts 2 years...will buy another after two years. But in India people look at t.v as a long term good.....so even if the panel may be the best in budget durability is an important factor in India.

 

[volksjger]

And what many people seem to not get is that consumer behaviour is different in these regions as compared to India. These reviewers certainly do have an international appeal but they are primarily reviewing for their region. Most of the folks in us get these TV's at insane prices during black Friday and boxing day sales. Like knock off 50percent from their us prices. If I get a h9g which is a great budget t.v at 25-35k for 65inches I'd definitely buy it..doesn't matter if it lasts 2 years...will buy another after two years. But in India people look at t.v as a long term good.....so even if the panel may be the best in budget durability is an important factor in India.

Yes you are right, at least the 900$ US pricing equivalent to 75k INR is the max for this TV if H9G is launched as it is here and since it is made in India and a stripped down version of H9G, U8080 shouldn't cost more than 65k for what they are offering. Then we can risk it since 65X95G costs 1.50L. Now this U8080 garbage comes with vidaOS and don't know where did they cut corners and one can only know after the TV gets launched and worst after sales is a bonus. They might even include cheap quality capacitors or reject quality panels from US to save costs even further, I know how companies like these treat Indian customers, save maximum and offer bare minimum.

Here are the prices of few TVs that are priced closed to Indian INR Value.

Forget X90H here, but if 55X95H is available for 1.10L like x95G then it's a great buy. These prices may not be possible at launch but 1 year later I am ready to wait and buy for these prices. And since Samsung started to assemble TVs in India, prices of 65" TVs might come down in 2021 (No Hopes)

Same with 65" Samsung Frame 2020, it's a good decent TV for 1.30L.

 

[aditya2603d]

Have you seen the blooming in person?
Blooming is evident only on HDR but not on SDR.
I have seen that TV in person. If you say even SDR has blooming then I'm sure you have no experience with that TV.
Why would someone even watch an LED TV in pitch dark room? It would definitely ruin the viewing experience. It's not an OLED. Atleast put on some 5 watt LED for better viewing experience.
And did I mention that my requirement is watching DTH. Don't rub your requirement on others.
I don't even have DTH from past 3 years.
And most of the indian ott content is non 4k. Upscaling is damn important. Just don't go behind some product just because it's cheaper to buy. Blooming was reduced exponentially in x950H model.
Installing the X950H firmware on G model would take 950G to next level.
Toshiba 8080 is nothing but a crap TV with vida os.
Their upscaling, HDR tone mapping, Color Calibration, Black crushing, Color Banding, UI lag, Compressed Object based audio and so on..
Can't afford to accept all these cheap stuff while spending over a lakh.
Just don't get mislead by others and don't let others to mislead. Customer satisfaction rating is too low for these TVs.

PS: I prefer sony way of processing. I prefer exposing the Shadow details than crushing them in the name of deeper blacks. Thats sucks. It's pretty much subjective.

1 - Read my statement. Yes I have seen the TV and blooming is very much persistent even in SDR but in HDR it's worse and ruins the entire experience. And that's what I said.
2 - "Why would someone watch LED TV in pitch dark room?" I don't know about you but majority of people that want real experience watch in Dark. If your LED TV is not giving you close to OLED experience in dark, you need to get better TV and not compromise with some hack. Their are many TV like Samsung Q8FN, Q9FN, Q90r, Sony 900E, Z9D that gives very close dark room performance as OLED without terrible blooming like Sony 950G. Even Hisense H9G is way better in blooming control than Sony's flagship.
3 - "And did I mention that my requirement is watching DTH". Improve your comprehension skill. It's was never about you. Mine was a general comment about Sony't inherent superior scaling prowess scaling 720p signals. But then again it's limited to DTH contents that are 720p. Upscaling for 1080p is equal to almost 99% level across all brands. If anyone have lot of DVD or 720p rips then one should go for Sony.
4 - Most Indian OTT content are atleast 1080P and upscaling of 1080p is almost similar across brands. Where Sony and Samsung's flagship shine is in the 480p and 720p sources.
5 - Here we are talking about 950g and not 950h and not some hacks which can hypothetically improve picture quality.
6 -"Toshiba 8080 is nothing but a crap TV with vida os." Oh yes you want me to make opinion only after seeing the TV but making crap comments about a TV without it even being launched in India. And we are talking about Tv and phone, limitations of TV OS can easily be overcome. What can't be replaced is Panel.
7 - "Their upscaling, HDR tone mapping, Color Calibration, Black crushing, Color Banding, UI lag, Compressed Object based audio and so on" I can also read Sony promotion material. Sony 950G HDR performance is pretty bland that reviewers across AV community agree with, it's not even able to produce deep enough black to maintain minimum contrast ratio for proper HDR experience.
PS - All of my opinion hold true only when Toshiba U8080 is indeed Hisense H9G and not some degraded version of it. If indeed Toshiba U8080 is Hisense H9G then it's a better value proportion both in terms of money and picture quality. You are getting a TV that 180(65") odd zones compared to paltry 50 zones, is more brighter (reaching close to 1700 nits) compared to 1200 nits, has deeper blacks with minimum blooming, higher color gamut and color volume.
If Toshiba's is not rebranded H9G the Sony 950G is the best LED for it's price by a huge margin and I might go for it but before that I will wait to see Toshiba's offering.
Regarding reliability I have had Samsung's flagship fail in 18 months, Sony's flagship fail in 20 months. Panel lottery is a fact in Television industry across brands

 

[lightgamer]

Yes you are right, at least the 900$ US pricing equivalent to 75k INR is the max for this TV if H9G is launched as it is here and since it is made in India and a stripped down version of H9G, U8080 shouldn't cost more than 65k for what they are offering. Then we can risk it since 65X95G costs 1.50L. Now this U8080 garbage comes with vidaOS and don't know where did they cut corners and one can only know after the TV gets launched and worst after sales is a bonus. They might even include cheap quality capacitors or reject quality panels from US to save costs even further, I know how companies like these treat Indian customers, save maximum and offer bare minimum.

Here are the prices of few TVs that are priced closed to Indian INR Value.
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Forget X90H here, but if 55X95H is available for 1.10L like x95G then it's a great buy. These prices may not be possible at launch but 1 year later I am ready to wait and buy for these prices. And since Samsung started to assemble TVs in India, prices of 65" TVs might come down in 2021 (No Hopes)

Same with 65" Samsung Frame 2020, it's a good decent TV for 1.30L.

You're seeing things from rose tinted glasses and heavy bias towards Sony. Those TVs are not priced 'close to INR value'. The 900H 55" costs 1.1 lakh in India vs $998 IN US. That's 50% higher price, not close enough. Not to mention there was a sale of X950G 65" for $1000 in US earlier this week. You can't even get 55" for even close to that price in India.
Also these Sony TVs will be marked down 50% on black friday while we'll get mediocre deals as usual on Diwali on Sony TVs.

The fact of the matter is, no other 65" TV under 1 lakh provides the local dimming, contrast or the panel brightness the H9G does. The fact that you recommend spending 1.3 lakh on a TV (frame) which has 550 nit brightness and no local dimming just because it's overpriced in US too seems like flawed logic to me.

Instead of suggesting better TVs under 1 lakh, you're telling people to spend 1.5 lakh for X950G/X900H. By that logic, if people have that budget, they'll just spend 1.8 lakhs and get the C9 which blows any LCD away in PQ, plus you get HDMI 2.1, VRR.

TV comparisons are done in a budget. If I have a budget of 1 lakh for a 65" TV, I'd go with H9G/U8080 without blinking an eye. If I can spend 1.5 lakh, I'd go for the X950G or see if I can extend to 1.8 and get the C9.

 

[Krashnburn117]

H9G gives a comparable or better TV compared to big brands at a much lower price, but then it is a budget brand so you are paying for inferior QC, suspect warranty etc. You pick your poison I suppose.

Sony 950G HDR performance is pretty bland that reviewers across AV community agree with, it's not even able to produce deep enough black to maintain minimum contrast ratio for proper HDR experience.

In FALD LCD tech you have to choose between inky blacks with clipped shadow details or blooming. Samsung goes for former and Sony the latter. To say HDR for x95G is bad is blatantly wrong. If you are really sensitive to blooming then go for Samsung.

 

[volksjger]

You're seeing things from rose tinted glasses and heavy bias towards Sony. Those TVs are not priced 'close to INR value'. The 900H 55" costs 1.1 lakh in India vs $998 IN US. That's 50% higher price, not close enough. Not to mention there was a sale of X950G 65" for $1000 in US earlier this week. You can't even get 55" for even close to that price in India.
Also these Sony TVs will be marked down 50% on black friday while we'll get mediocre deals as usual on Diwali on Sony TVs.

The fact of the matter is, no other 65" TV under 1 lakh provides the local dimming, contrast or the panel brightness the H9G does. The fact that you recommend spending 1.3 lakh on a TV (frame) which has 550 nit brightness and no local dimming just because it's overpriced in US too seems like flawed logic to me.

Instead of suggesting better TVs under 1 lakh, you're telling people to spend 1.5 lakh for X950G/X900H. By that logic, if people have that budget, they'll just spend 1.8 lakhs and get the C9 which blows any LCD away in PQ, plus you get HDMI 2.1, VRR.

TV comparisons are done in a budget. If I have a budget of 1 lakh for a 65" TV, I'd go with H9G/U8080 without blinking an eye. If I can spend 1.5 lakh, I'd go for the X950G or see if I can extend to 1.8 and get the C9.

I ain't looking from Rose tint stuff . And I clearly mentioned in my post that a few models are close to US price value, "Not all", Definitely not X90H or X80H which are almost double in India and I am clearly aware of it. I was only comparing a few models and definitely not Sony/LG in 65" sizes, I was comparing 55" X95H price and I said and I Quote if available for 1.10 Lakh it's close to US price, not equal, definitely not 50%+ margin and I also said the prices after 1 year of availability.

Even LG C9 55" , close to US Price not equal and not excess by 50% margin. It was just sold for 7-10k above US Price until recently

And Samsung Frame 65" is currently cheaper in India compared to US Price @ 1.39 L, with discounts many bought it for 1.30L.

If I have to put in correct words, regular non-sale US Prices Vs Indian Sale Offers + models that are 1 year old are closely matched to US price leaving out many 65" models which in itself is the best deal we can get in India. This is what I was citing. And many 55" and 65" premium TVs from Sony and Samsung are not assembled in India. So they don't get exempted from Import tax. But if a TV is assembled in India like Hisense/Toshiba they can definitely price it competitively.

Now, the second point, I never suggested anyone to get a Sony 65X95G @ 1.50 L in any of my posts above, you are just taking it that way. And I would never risk buying U8080 garbage for 98k either.

 

[lightgamer]

Now, the second point, I never suggested anyone to get a Sony 65X95G @ 1.50 L in any of my posts above, you are just taking it that way. And I would never risk buying U8080 garbage for 98k either.

So you recommend not buying anything if a user wants a 65" TV? I'd much rather buy the U8080 (if it's the H9G) for 98k over the frame for 1.3 lakhs. It's a much better panel with local dimming and 1500 nits brightness v/s 500. I use an HTPC with MadVR so motion and most of the processing is done by the PC. I just need the best panel for the money and at least 3-5 year warranty.

 

[gnan10]

You're seeing things from rose tinted glasses and heavy bias towards Sony. Those TVs are not priced 'close to INR value'. The 900H 55" costs 1.1 lakh in India vs $998 IN US. That's 50% higher price, not close enough. Not to mention there was a sale of X950G 65" for $1000 in US earlier this week. You can't even get 55" for even close to that price in India.
Also these Sony TVs will be marked down 50% on black friday while we'll get mediocre deals as usual on Diwali on Sony TVs.

The fact of the matter is, no other 65" TV under 1 lakh provides the local dimming, contrast or the panel brightness the H9G does. The fact that you recommend spending 1.3 lakh on a TV (frame) which has 550 nit brightness and no local dimming just because it's overpriced in US too seems like flawed logic to me.

Instead of suggesting better TVs under 1 lakh, you're telling people to spend 1.5 lakh for X950G/X900H. By that logic, if people have that budget, they'll just spend 1.8 lakhs and get the C9 which blows any LCD away in PQ, plus you get HDMI 2.1, VRR.

TV comparisons are done in a budget. If I have a budget of 1 lakh for a 65" TV, I'd go with H9G/U8080 without blinking an eye. If I can spend 1.5 lakh, I'd go for the X950G or see if I can extend to 1.8 and get the C9.

Question is how reliable that Hisense gonna be?
Frame can be dragged till 10 years. What about h9G or Toshiba?
If you are so much behind the value. You must consider longetivity too. If the TV goes kaput(most likely will go in case of Hisense) then the money spent was gone into thin air.
Hence he was recommending you to upgrade the budget which can save your money even more in long run. Not sure, how people are missing this basic logic.

 

[gnan10]

So you recommend not buying anything if a user wants a 65" TV? I'd much rather buy the U8080 (if it's the H9G) for 98k over the frame for 1.3 lakhs. It's a much better panel with local dimming and 1500 nits brightness v/s 500. I use an HTPC with MadVR so motion and most of the processing is done by the PC. I just need the best panel for the money and at least 3-5 year warranty.

How exactly you are planning to use ur PC with ur TV?
Do you think you can take leverage of 120hz motion of that TV in 4k?

 

[gnan10]

1 - Read my statement. Yes I have seen the TV and blooming is very much persistent even in SDR but in HDR it's worse and ruins the entire experience. And that's what I said.
2 - "Why would someone watch LED TV in pitch dark room?" I don't know about you but majority of people that want real experience watch in Dark. If your LED TV is not giving you close to OLED experience in dark, you need to get better TV and not compromise with some hack. Their are many TV like Samsung Q8FN, Q9FN, Q90r, Sony 900E, Z9D that gives very close dark room performance as OLED without terrible blooming like Sony 950G. Even Hisense H9G is way better in blooming control than Sony's flagship.
3 - "And did I mention that my requirement is watching DTH". Improve your comprehension skill. It's was never about you. Mine was a general comment about Sony't inherent superior scaling prowess scaling 720p signals. But then again it's limited to DTH contents that are 720p. Upscaling for 1080p is equal to almost 99% level across all brands. If anyone have lot of DVD or 720p rips then one should go for Sony.
4 - Most Indian OTT content are atleast 1080P and upscaling of 1080p is almost similar across brands. Where Sony and Samsung's flagship shine is in the 480p and 720p sources.
5 - Here we are talking about 950g and not 950h and not some hacks which can hypothetically improve picture quality.
6 -"Toshiba 8080 is nothing but a crap TV with vida os." Oh yes you want me to make opinion only after seeing the TV but making crap comments about a TV without it even being launched in India. And we are talking about Tv and phone, limitations of TV OS can easily be overcome. What can't be replaced is Panel.
7 - "Their upscaling, HDR tone mapping, Color Calibration, Black crushing, Color Banding, UI lag, Compressed Object based audio and so on" I can also read Sony promotion material. Sony 950G HDR performance is pretty bland that reviewers across AV community agree with, it's not even able to produce deep enough black to maintain minimum contrast ratio for proper HDR experience.
PS - All of my opinion hold true only when Toshiba U8080 is indeed Hisense H9G and not some degraded version of it. If indeed Toshiba U8080 is Hisense H9G then it's a better value proportion both in terms of money and picture quality. You are getting a TV that 180(65") odd zones compared to paltry 50 zones, is more brighter (reaching close to 1700 nits) compared to 1200 nits, has deeper blacks with minimum blooming, higher color gamut and color volume.
If Toshiba's is not rebranded H9G the Sony 950G is the best LED for it's price by a huge margin and I might go for it but before that I will wait to see Toshiba's offering.
Regarding reliability I have had Samsung's flagship fail in 18 months, Sony's flagship fail in 20 months. Panel lottery is a fact in Television industry across brands

Sorry.
But most stupid answers ever. I stopped reading when you said "upscaling of 1080p is almost similar across brands"
I'm done man..
Enjoy your Toshiba

 

[lightgamer]

Question is how reliable that Hisense gonna be?
Frame can be dragged till 10 years. What about h9G or Toshiba?
If you are so much behind the value. You must consider longetivity too. If the TV goes kaput(most likely will go in case of Hisense) then the money spent was gone into thin air.
Hence he was recommending you to upgrade the budget which can save your money even more in long run. Not sure, how people are missing this basic logic.

You can't plain assume that Frame will last for 10 years. My 4k monitor (LG 27UK650) went kaput in 2 years despite it being a pretty high-end monitor. Now, I had a 3 year warranty and got the panel replaced but it's just luck of the draw. If I get a warranty of 3-5 years on the panel and there are service centres available, I'll get by. It's not like Samsung or Sony use higher grade panels which will magically last longer.

How exactly you are planning to use ur PC with ur TV?
Do you think you can take leverage of 120hz motion of that TV in 4k?

I use MadVR for rendering content. Here's a link to my comment comparing the upscaling and image quality improvements with an RTX 2070 super over native. It also has proper 3:2 pulldown mode and frame blending for motion processing. I don't need the 120Hz panel since I'll mostly use 48Hz for rendering 24fps content and 60Hz for 30/60 fps content. In MadVR you can program all of it.

Using MadVR with even a no-name brand can make your content have way better processing compared to a high-end 8k TV since you can use way better GPU to do so. Plus you have a PC, so way better interface if you have plex and other stuff set up.

EDIT: Here's the direct imgur link comparing MadVR and native image. Make sure you have a 4k monitor/TV to see the difference and please open the images on full screen by clicking them and zoom in.

Also, I'd ideally prefer an HDMI 2.1 TV with 120Hz panel over an HDMI 2.0 with 60/120Hz panel since I'll be able to do gaming as well on it and I can do even better motion with it. My GPU doesn't support HDMI 2.1, but I can get a DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 active adapter and get 4k 120Hz 4:4:4 10-bit on it.

 

[Rajeev-23]

Have you seen the blooming in person?
Blooming is evident only on HDR but not on SDR.
I have seen that TV in person. If you say even SDR has blooming then I'm sure you have no experience with that TV.
Why would someone even watch an LED TV in pitch dark room? It would definitely ruin the viewing experience. It's not an OLED. Atleast put on some 5 watt LED for better viewing experience.
And did I mention that my requirement is watching DTH. Don't rub your requirement on others.
I don't even have DTH from past 3 years.
And most of the indian ott content is non 4k. Upscaling is damn important. Just don't go behind some product just because it's cheaper to buy. Blooming was reduced exponentially in x950H model.
Installing the X950H firmware on G model would take 950G to next level.
Toshiba 8080 is nothing but a crap TV with vida os.
Their upscaling, HDR tone mapping, Color Calibration, Black crushing, Color Banding, UI lag, Compressed Object based audio and so on..
Can't afford to accept all these cheap stuff while spending over a lakh.
Just don't get mislead by others and don't let others to mislead. Customer satisfaction rating is too low for these TVs.

PS: I prefer sony way of processing. I prefer exposing the Shadow details than crushing them in the name of deeper blacks. Thats sucks. It's pretty much subjective.

Wowww!!!! You asking him that have you seen blooming in person? And the same time u r saying U8080 is a crap tv even before release!!! What should call u? Magician or TV god?