That's better. Any figure in your mind?
Good justification
. However, sorry to dampen your spirit, may other enthusiasts also comment, I have a feeling that it is just not 'vintage' equipment, as of now at least.
How good are aiwa speakers?
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That's better. Any figure in your mind?
Good justification
. However, sorry to dampen your spirit, may other enthusiasts also comment, I have a feeling that it is just not 'vintage' equipment, as of now at least.
+1 to Nick. It is not the correct way to ascertain the price esp. for electronics, that too from the 90s or even early 2000s.
Electronics were exorbitantly expensive in the 90s, at least in India. Parents bought a VCR for about 20K in 1989. That was 25 years ago. I cannot, in my remotest dreams think of selling it for money. I will be lucky if it is 'given away' to someone who uses it personally.
Also, in the last 10 years, the prices of electronics have fallen sharply. Be it speakers, mobile phones, consumer electronics or anything like that. In fact, my younger cousins laugh at my 'obsolete' Nokia phone that I bought for 12K a few years ago. They happily (& supremely) flash their 6-8K Galaxy phones and they are actually superior. (I am not an android guy anyway). Same is true for entry level bikes and cars too.
I will deduce that average consumer level items cannot be priced by taking the inflation as the benchmark; else I am willing to 'sell' you my VCR along with my Nokia!
So what determines the price of electronic products to manufacturers?
I.e. lets take the components which makes a speaker. MDF, magnets, cone.etc.. and all would have been available much cheaper 20 years back. So you are telling manufacturers sold for unreasonable profits at that time?
Or if the price is determined by research cost alone?
Maybe the electronics price is fallen due to change in technologies. From valve tube to microprocessor chips.
But that doesn't affect speaker price. IMO, speaker quality is determined by the quality of components used inside than technology.
In fact, its the combination of all of the above you wrote plus some more things; including MBA's working for the company! Also, one of the highest weightage being of the 'label' on the box. And anyway, how can you 'break' the total 20K price separately for the speakers & the player? It simply does not work like that. Going by that logic, you buy all the parts and assemble the same player, should it work out to be the same as the player costs in the showroom? Or little cheaper since you are not paying the 'labour' charges? No. It will be much much higher. I will not be amazed if the cost goes upto 2-3 times or even more. Pricing is one of the most important tool that where a manufacturer wants to place his product in the competition- technically called brand positioning.
The pricing is more of a marketing thing than a finance (read: cost) thing. Hence, all expensive things are not good and all cheap things are not bad.
The pricing is more of a marketing thing than a finance (read: cost) thing. Hence, all expensive things are not good and all cheap things are not bad.
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I guess I'll get it for 5k. I can decide after listening. That option is given. I guess 5k does not harm both.
That guy doesn't have amplifier now. So tomorrow only I'll know the performance. My gut feeling is that I'll get much more value than paying money.
Anyhow its about product than just price.
Good justification
Anyhow I m super excited about this acquisition. Will see tomorrow how it goes..
Thad E Ginathom
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It's not vintage, it is ordinary twenty-year-old domestic, at a time when ordinary sound systems were much more ordinary than they are now
Can we possibly save you from yourself? Don't do this!
This thing is worthless. It is junk-shop stuff. The rest died, and the only reason the speakers didn't was lack of mechanics. If not, then you should get the whole thing for 5,000.
It is your money, and I have wasted far more in far sillier ways, but what really annoys me is the thought of that guy charging you real money for this.
greenhorn
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Nah, Things have gone further south in the meanwhile. At least in those days, I remember the PMPO wars on newspapers, with half page and full page ads from phillips and aiwa mostly, along with with sony, jvc and Panasonic ads.
now minicompos have more features, but the days of the behemoths are long gone. People would rather spend that kinda money on HTS.
But yes, these are certainly not vintage. somewhere between 500-800 would be a fair price for these.
PS: from my research on cassette decks, aiwa was a run of the mill japanese hi fi manufacturer, which got some very interesting stuff after the acquisition, as sony used them to test some of their new features. That didn't last very long, and they were repositioned as Sony's slightly cheaper brand.
Most Vintage Japanese speakers suck
. Their electronics are good, but their speakers, not so much. For the european american counterparts, generally it's the reverseOnce I owned an aiwa HiFi system with 5.0 speakers. Two book shelf for front left & right rest all were some small sat spealers. It was a 5 CD changer and twin cassette player brought for around 40 to 45k and couple of years sold it entirely for 3.5k now you think how much should you pay
My parents bought a Sony 1 CD changer/ cassette player in 1999 for 15K. I used it for 3-4 years till I shifted to PC based music and finally the cassette player and the CD player too died. But till 2010-11, I used the deck as an amplifier to connect it with my pc.
Regarding the speakers, I am currently using them as my surround speakers in my 5.1 set up and very happy with the performance.
Regarding the speakers, I am currently using them as my surround speakers in my 5.1 set up and very happy with the performance.
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5 K???? That is tooo too much. suarly not worth 5k.. Being a smalltime used item trader - many traders do NOT even touch these!
Gotcha!
Got the speakers. Sound is good enough. Certainty hifi.not mid-fi IMO.
This speakers doesn't have the detail like the KEF Q300 I owned last. but this is more musical than kef. I can't figure out what makes this possible. It has a wide soundstage which is very likable. The bass is tight.
Certainty it rolls out some frequencies I hear in kef. But I like this speaker as its pleasantly musical. Laid back sound. Yes.hard to expect from aiwa, but it delivers.
It doesn't show any signs of age or wear. Works like new. And its from Japan. Confirmed.he purchased from a person from Dubai.
Got the speakers. Sound is good enough. Certainty hifi.not mid-fi IMO.
This speakers doesn't have the detail like the KEF Q300 I owned last. but this is more musical than kef. I can't figure out what makes this possible. It has a wide soundstage which is very likable. The bass is tight.
Certainty it rolls out some frequencies I hear in kef. But I like this speaker as its pleasantly musical. Laid back sound. Yes.hard to expect from aiwa, but it delivers.
It doesn't show any signs of age or wear. Works like new. And its from Japan. Confirmed.he purchased from a person from Dubai.
Payment next week only. But IMO, I dont lose anything if I pay 5k. I like this. His description is accurate. There's something good in its sound.
After selling kef, I was listening music in sennheiser hd650. Even though I can't play loud music in nights when I am free, I prefer to have a speaker as well. This will serve the purpose, will go good for some months.
Not bad man.
Most of you reading this thread must be thinking that I m silly or crazy. But if you guys actually listen to this, you'll be surprised.
This is certainly much better than the sonodyne bookshelf I sold in this forum.
This wins over kef in some areas. What else could be expected? the credit must go where its due. Aiwa made speakers for music, I am damn sure about it now.
No offence intended. What justifies that price?
greenhorn
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music system
typically you see music systems of that vintage show up for typically 2K onwards in the classifieds now and then. If you look now, you might see only the higher priced ones, but that's because those are the unsold ones from brokers and sellers who keep reposting the same thing at high-ish prices again and again. Every now and then, a good deal genuine deal comes which gets snapped up by someone who decided to wait and watch!
Thad E Ginathom
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No way! But maybe you should be more willing to listen to some advice
How much would you pay for a 20-yr old oven, or mixie? The fact that sound comes out of these things doesn't alter the economics.
I'm thinking.... my speakers were bought over ten years ago, half-price, ex-demo, for GB300. They are Castle, a British hifi manufacturer (later turned Chinese, but mine were made in UK). They look good, beautiful oak veneer floor standers, what are they worth? (rhetorical question; I don't need an answer!) Well, they are hifi, made by a good manufacturer, but not a name I would expect to raise eyebrows as "vintage..."
The seller will be laughing, and your expense.
But, if you are happy with the speakers, then the 5k will soon be forgotten.
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Hi,
Firstly you need to look behind the speakers and check the technical in terms of nominal and continuous handling wattage of these speakers. It would be anything rated from 4 to 6 ohms. Please check if the amplifier or deck you would hook them up to would match or not.
Secondly and most important if these speakers are very old check the cones for wear and tear signs...these speakers also could have been re coned or replaced...chances are they may not last long enough.
If you are going to use these speakers as surround on a AV receiver then go for it...you may find better bookshelf speakers on other online websites ..check also for reviews on the same before you purchase it. If you use a pure stereo system, would recommend that you atleast look for speakers which has a woofer / low frequency driver which should be minimum 8 inch and a Dome 1 inch high frequency for good punchy clear sound. Hope this helps.
Firstly you need to look behind the speakers and check the technical in terms of nominal and continuous handling wattage of these speakers. It would be anything rated from 4 to 6 ohms. Please check if the amplifier or deck you would hook them up to would match or not.
Secondly and most important if these speakers are very old check the cones for wear and tear signs...these speakers also could have been re coned or replaced...chances are they may not last long enough.
If you are going to use these speakers as surround on a AV receiver then go for it...you may find better bookshelf speakers on other online websites ..check also for reviews on the same before you purchase it. If you use a pure stereo system, would recommend that you atleast look for speakers which has a woofer / low frequency driver which should be minimum 8 inch and a Dome 1 inch high frequency for good punchy clear sound. Hope this helps.
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