Didn't do anything with a u2 mini. Seemed to help with the roon core but not muchAnyone tried this?
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Did the Macbook Air Audirvana combo sound better in pure battery mode or while the charger was connected to the power source?Costing nothing beyond an Audirvana subscription and FM Joshua's DIY USB cable, the Macbook Air served me well. Now after close to Rs. 10 lacs down the tube, I ask, like the guy in the Royal Stag commercial 'Have I made it large?'
Pure battery mode. But i also used Mac Mini which was necessarily always plugged in. That sounded good too. However, the USB cable to the DAC is very critical. I tried Joshua's, Curious and Phasure. Both Joshua and Curious were very good. I personally didn't find Phasure engaging.
PM me if you have any other questions, otherwise we'll stray from the subject of this thread
Just an update on my earlier crib about the Lumin L2 + U2 combo:
I decided to go whole hog - added a Trendset network switch with FOC port, Fibre from Switch to L2 and L2 to U2, ifi i-silencer, LPS for wifi router, wifi node, network switch. I'm sure all these changes helped, but what really worked was 300 hours of burn in. The improvements actually started to kick in after 250 hours, and then at 300 hours the music finally began to sound open and transparent. Sounded good. I then played around with some digital cables from U2 to DAC. After trying various low to high end AES/EBU cables, I have finally settled on the Belkin Synapse Platinum coax cable.
Very happy with the sound quality now. Very unhappy with the money I spent
I decided to go whole hog - added a Trendset network switch with FOC port, Fibre from Switch to L2 and L2 to U2, ifi i-silencer, LPS for wifi router, wifi node, network switch. I'm sure all these changes helped, but what really worked was 300 hours of burn in. The improvements actually started to kick in after 250 hours, and then at 300 hours the music finally began to sound open and transparent. Sounded good. I then played around with some digital cables from U2 to DAC. After trying various low to high end AES/EBU cables, I have finally settled on the Belkin Synapse Platinum coax cable.
Very happy with the sound quality now. Very unhappy with the money I spent
Got the S1 and happy with the performance. But not overwhelmed as I was coming from the Aurender+Lampizator Amber 4 DAC combo which was tonally, a bit better to my taste. But the room heater effect of the Lampi made it very uncomfortable after an hour of listening and hence the S1.
My question: can I use the Aurender as a streamer with the S1? (As I still have it till it’s sold - Monkey brain curiosity)
Grateful for your thoughts…
My question: can I use the Aurender as a streamer with the S1? (As I still have it till it’s sold - Monkey brain curiosity)
Grateful for your thoughts…
The Lumins dont have digital inputs so no way to use it as a pure dac. Not sure if the aurender model you have has an Ethernet out (some server + streamer devices do). If it does, you can try connecting the Lumin to that.
Thanks. The Aurender only has a USB out and as you pointed out the Lumin S1 has no such input (checked just now) So that’s that
vas9008
New Member
Hi all, new member, great forum and enjoyed reading the discussion. I recently entered the streaming game, and after demoing several streamers, including Hifi rose 130 and aurenderN200, I decided on the Lumin U2. There was just something about the sound that really drew me in. I have it running into an Anthem STR pre and Anthem MCA 225 amp, out to Golden Ear Triton 2+ Fronts. I have a question about DACs overall. I have the opportunity to get a Lumin T3, or I could pursue keeping separates and buying a standalone DAC for the U2, or just keep using the Anthem STR.
Does the T3 have a good implementation of the Sabre DACs, so that it would potentially sound better than U2 + DAC? If I stay with the U2, what DAC would you recommend to pair with it or is the Anthem STR good enough? I've been looking at Weiss 202, Chord Hugo TT2, Holo May, and T&A DAC 200. Right now I love my sound, but on some tracks looking to take some harshness off the highs. So the question is: better sound with T3 vs U2, and what DAC would you recommend for the U2 (and would that combo end up being better than a T3). If it helps, I am not looking for convenience, but quality of sound, so I am find with seperates, but do not want to invest if the gain over an integrated T3 or the Anthem STR would be minimal,
Again, new to the game, and really appreciate everyone's collective wisdom and guidance. I know there will be a lot of different opinions as it's all subjective, but that's fine, I enjoy reading the different perspectives. Thanks in advance!
Does the T3 have a good implementation of the Sabre DACs, so that it would potentially sound better than U2 + DAC? If I stay with the U2, what DAC would you recommend to pair with it or is the Anthem STR good enough? I've been looking at Weiss 202, Chord Hugo TT2, Holo May, and T&A DAC 200. Right now I love my sound, but on some tracks looking to take some harshness off the highs. So the question is: better sound with T3 vs U2, and what DAC would you recommend for the U2 (and would that combo end up being better than a T3). If it helps, I am not looking for convenience, but quality of sound, so I am find with seperates, but do not want to invest if the gain over an integrated T3 or the Anthem STR would be minimal,
Again, new to the game, and really appreciate everyone's collective wisdom and guidance. I know there will be a lot of different opinions as it's all subjective, but that's fine, I enjoy reading the different perspectives. Thanks in advance!
Rajeevkale
Member
I had Lumin D 2 , used it for over a year
sound quality is decent, but nothing outstanding,
finally sold and moved to Naim ND5 XS2 , if you can stretch your budget eyes closed go for Naim product
you will not regret
sound quality is decent, but nothing outstanding,
finally sold and moved to Naim ND5 XS2 , if you can stretch your budget eyes closed go for Naim product
you will not regret
Yelamanchili manohar
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It really depends on what your good selves want to achieve long term. I personally prefer keeping everything separate, but then it adds upto a lot of boxes. Instead of going for an all-in-one server streamer, I use a separate Melco server with my local library running Minim server. This does all the processing for music library management and rendering, and connects to a Lumin U1X digital streamer connected to an external Dac. I dont know if it sounds any better than an integrated server streamer like Innuous or Aurender, as I never tried those. But it adds a lot of flexibility down the line.
Coming to the Dac, there is no single universal fit. Your good selves will have to audition a few different types and decide as per taste. There are Tube, R2R and Delta sigma to name a few. I've been interested in the T+A Dac200 for some time now, as I like the functionality it offers, especially Hdmi, but then it doesnt have a master clock input, which is a bummer for me. So apart from the out right sound quality, please also consider the functionality you need -preamp, headphone amp, room correction, clocking, subwoofer outputs etc. All the best
Why is this? Could you please elaborate?
Arvind Mathur
Member
Who deals in Naim products in the country? How much is the warranty offered on this?
Yelamanchili manohar
Well-Known Member
Hi bornfi
Despite streaming being used often, I enjoy spinning CD's the most. So which ever dac I end up with, I want it to elevate both my streaming as well as my CD playback. And since my cd player has a clock input, getting a dac with clock input, and syncing them both will give better results, as spdif is a synchronus transmission, and having both the source and the DAC synced is very important for the best possible CD playback.
But if your CD player is clocked by an external clock then connected DAC (since most have them have PLL) will automatically become slave to your CD player and hence will receive the same clock that your CD player is receiving. Though not mentioned or written anywhere but I think that is probably the reason why most of the DACs in the market do not have clock input.Hi bornfi
Despite streaming being used often, I enjoy spinning CD's the most. So which ever dac I end up with, I want it to elevate both my streaming as well as my CD playback. And since my cd player has a clock input, getting a dac with clock input, and syncing them both will give better results, as spdif is a synchronus transmission, and having both the source and the DAC synced is very important for the best possible CD playback.
Yelamanchili manohar
Well-Known Member
Yes PLL circuits have been designed to eliminate this time induced jitter, but they can never achieve 100% time sync, as the DAC is still using its in built master clock. Some designs like AMR and Holo audio have better PLL implementation than some others, but syncing both to the same external master clock will always give better results than a PLL, provided the clock is of commensurate or better quality. Brands like Esoteric and Dcs offer their own clocks for this very purpose, though I havent tried it myself, but my research so far seems to indicate that external clocks can possibly add a component level upgrade. So curious to try, since my CD player has this facility, but honestly would'nt have really bothered if there was no clock input to begin with
Ok, so in my system, I have a dCS Scarlatti clock, dCS Debussy and a Weiss DAC. My source setup (which is bit complicated to describe here) is clocked by Scarlatti and I get almost the same benefit of clock in dCS Debussy and Weiss. Interestingly, whether I connect the clock to Debussy or not does not have any significant impact to my ears. But switching clock on and off does change the experience significantly for me.Yes PLL circuits have been designed to eliminate this time induced jitter, but they can never achieve 100% time sync, as the DAC is still using its in built master clock. Some designs like AMR and Holo audio have better PLL implementation than some others, but syncing both to the same external master clock will always give better results than a PLL, provided the clock is of commensurate or better quality. Brands like Esoteric and Dcs offer their own clocks for this very purpose, though I havent tried it myself, but my research so far seems to indicate that external clocks can possibly add a component level upgrade. So curious to try, since my CD player has this facility, but honestly would'nt have really bothered if there was no clock input to begin with
Basically, what I am trying to say is that the fact that the DAC does not have the clock input should not deter you from getting a clock.
Yelamanchili manohar
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Sorry, Iam confused by your description of how you are using the Scarlatti clock with the Debussy dac. Can you please elaborate a bit further
You may have to do some reading but here it is how my system is connected. If you still have questions, just DM me, we can connect over phone.Sorry, Iam confused by your description of how you are using the Scarlatti clock with the Debussy dac. Can you please elaborate a bit further
Yelamanchili manohar
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the detailed schematic.. easier to understand now
The RME ADI 642 + Dcs Debussy combo is synced to an external clock and connection is Spdif, so that is most optimum I suppose.
Coming to the RME ADI 642 + Weiss Dac 501 mkii combo, I guess the Dcs scarlatti is mainly improving the clocking of the RME, and the Weiss must be employing PLL internally. However, I think weiss uses its internal clock at 195 khz ( Unlike 10 mhz usually found ), and samples everything to 195 khz to minimize possible jitter. I think with the Weiss the effect of the clock might be minimal. Thanks to kindly correct me if Iam wrong here.
In my use case scenario, I intend to use a Mutec clock to sync my CD player to a future dac, so that the end SQ will not be dependent on the internal clock or PLL inside the Dac. As I dont want to spend a lot on a dac, as my end game system will be all digital with dsp
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