Manish Nahar
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Thanks for the suggestion but let me know about the X series which has been introduced as V G and S series are above my budget please to suggest.
Plasma or led
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Thanks for the suggestion but let me know about the X series which has been introduced as V G and S series are above my budget please to suggest.
Well people occasionally confuse fL (foot Lambert used in US review sites) to cd/m2(european review sites).
So when one sees a reading in those review sites one has to mention it whether it was fL or cd/m2
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Well most people i know who bought a 3d tv have those 3d glasses gathering dust.
3d tv still have a long way to go,next year tvs from many companies will have a common 3d standard making their 3d glasses compatible with each other tvs from Sony,samsung,panasonic part of active 3d glass and same goes to rival camp from Lg part of the passive 3d alliance
nirajkothavade
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sorry brother cant wait for more 2 years ... thats why damn confused between panny and lg !! ie 42gt20 and 42lw4500
black levels being one of the main criteria to determine overall pic quality of a tv, not the only criteria. If you look at the ratings, reviews, awards on the net and compare the sony vs panasonic............panasonic beats sony all the time!!!
Also, you dont need to buy the top end VT30 to get the same neo pdp panels. The GT, ST series also give you the same panels at a much lesser price. Even the VT20/V20 from the pan 2010 line come with the same panels.
Sony Bravia KDL-55HX925
source : cnet.com
We found that we needed to spend a bit of time when calibrating this TV, as at default levels, there was quite a bit of backlight clouding patchy grey areas in black sections of the picture. Even turning the backlight down to zero didn't help, and only when activating the Intelligent Peak LED did we get the inky blacks that we were anticipating.
The Gorilla Glass screen itself isn't too reflective, and images had a high level of contrast although, if you're looking for more dynamic pictures, you should instead choose a plasma from the likes of Samsung or Panasonic.
Hi, I have been following your thread and just want to help you out here. Looks like everyone has left you confused. If you have been following the thread and also my comments, by now I hope you would have realized plasma is the way to go, if not the only way.
Plasma TVs are an excellent value, typically delivering superior performance to LCD TVs at a lower cost. When it comes to picture quality, the best plasma TVs offer deeper black levels, superior screen uniformity and much better off-angle viewing than comparable LCDs, making them the preferred choice of many videophiles.
Ref Pan plasma, there is no question that the VT30 produces the best image quality since the infamous Pioneer Kuro which ceased production not less than two years ago.
Panasonic's Viera plasma televisions are known for their excellent image quality and affordable price tags, making them an extraordinarily good value. The Viera GT30 is not Panasonic's flagship model, but is packed with enough features and video performance to leave shoppers wondering why it isn't. As usual for a Viera plasma HDTV, image quality is amazingly crisp and is complemented by deep black levels that make both 2D and 3D content look good. Also, the Viera plasma HDTVs feature superb image uniformity with no 'bright spots' across the screen. The GT30 features a THX mode that can further increase the image quality, though dedicated videophiles may prefer to manually fine-tune the image instead. Either way, the GT30 offers up excellent picture quality and color accuracy, and the overall performance is far superior to what competing LCD HDTVs can come up with.
avmaxfan
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Not really.
Home theater Magazine HX929 review and comparison with VT30
"With the 55-inch Panasonic TC-P55VT30 3D plasma (Home Theater, September 2011) still in house, a direct comparison between that and the Sony XBR55HX929 proved irresistible
The Sonys total black easily trumped the Panasonics very good but not invisible full-screen blacks. Five key scenes from Stargate: Continuum vividly demonstrated the black level/shadow detail differences between the two sets. On the opening star field, the black background was less black on the Panasonic, but it showed more visible stars. The Sony put obvious halos around the brightest stars, while the Panasonic did not. In chapter 3, as a tramp steamer cruises across the Atlantic at night, both sets virtually tied with excellent shadow detail. But as the chief opens the door to the cargo hold later in the same chapter, the unlit space looked decidedly darker on the Sony. In the split-screen montage in chapter 10, the empty blocks were also a little darker on the Sony, although the difference was small. And in the Russian stargate installation (chapter 21), the Sony looked inkier, although the Panasonic avoided the slight black crush the Sony added to a few shots. "
Also overall they are more postive about the HX929 even its colors are better than VT30. Here's what they say about its colors:
"Spilling more ink to describe the Sonys calibrated color performance would be as productive as looking out the window and commenting on the colors in a backyard pool party."
About VT30 colors: "The VT30 offers gorgeous color on most sources, even with its somewhat inaccurate color gamuts (the points were spot on, but the intensities of the colors diverged from the HD standard, even with the color control turned down). While there were some minor flaws in its calibrated color tracking (see "HT Labs Measures"), none of these appeared to visibly compromise the results. "
Whereas VT30 has some issues with colors.
So the ONLY area VT30 is superior is off angle viewing, everywhere else the HX929 is superior.
And may I know what areas YOU think VT30 is better than HX929. Let's see the major areas in determining PQ
Black Level/Contrast - HX92 is superior (matches Kuro)
Motion - Hx92 again with FULL 1080 lines of motion in 2D and 3D (even better than a Kuro in this regard)
Colors - Again, as mentioned above the HX92 is superior with accurate colors ( Matching Kuro again)
Brightness - Being an LCD, HX92 wins easily
Shadow Detail - Let's call this a tie
Off Angle viewing - VT30 wins this
Pop and Depth - Again, Hx92 wins
3D - Tie both 4/5 stars for 3D
Panel Response Time - Tie, both 8.5 ms
So tell me, how is VT30 better when it fares worse than HX92 in every area except viewing angles ?
VT30 also did poorly in various tests conducted by HT magazine which you can see under Measurements section of the VT30/Hx92 review
3:2 HD - Both Pass
2:2 HD - VT30 FAIL, HX92 PASS
MA HD - Both PASS
SCALING - VT30 POOR, HX92 EXCELLENT
And this is just 1 example. There are even LG NANO LED TVs that perform better than Panasonic VT30. So calling the VT30 the best TV after Kuro is nothing but plain wrong. There are many other LED LCDs that have been better than VT30 not just the current HX92. The Samsung B8500, LG Local Dimming models including the 55LHX,LEX8, the Sony XBR8, HX90, and the current HX92. All these TVs have/had much deeper blacks and overall better PQ than VT30 in most areas except Off angle viewing which is an inherent weakness of LCD tech.
Not really.
Home theater Magazine HX929 review and comparison with VT30
"With the 55-inch Panasonic TC-P55VT30 3D plasma (Home Theater, September 2011) still in house, a direct comparison between that and the Sony XBR55HX929 proved irresistible
The Sonys total black easily trumped the Panasonics very good but not invisible full-screen blacks. Five key scenes from Stargate: Continuum vividly demonstrated the black level/shadow detail differences between the two sets. On the opening star field, the black background was less black on the Panasonic, but it showed more visible stars. The Sony put obvious halos around the brightest stars, while the Panasonic did not. In chapter 3, as a tramp steamer cruises across the Atlantic at night, both sets virtually tied with excellent shadow detail. But as the chief opens the door to the cargo hold later in the same chapter, the unlit space looked decidedly darker on the Sony. In the split-screen montage in chapter 10, the empty blocks were also a little darker on the Sony, although the difference was small. And in the Russian stargate installation (chapter 21), the Sony looked inkier, although the Panasonic avoided the slight black crush the Sony added to a few shots. "
Also overall they are more postive about the HX929 even its colors are better than VT30. Here's what they say about its colors:
"Spilling more ink to describe the Sonys calibrated color performance would be as productive as looking out the window and commenting on the colors in a backyard pool party."
About VT30 colors: "The VT30 offers gorgeous color on most sources, even with its somewhat inaccurate color gamuts (the points were spot on, but the intensities of the colors diverged from the HD standard, even with the color control turned down). While there were some minor flaws in its calibrated color tracking (see "HT Labs Measures"), none of these appeared to visibly compromise the results. "
Whereas VT30 has some issues with colors.
So the ONLY area VT30 is superior is off angle viewing, everywhere else the HX929 is superior.
And may I know what areas YOU think VT30 is better than HX929. Let's see the major areas in determining PQ
Black Level/Contrast - HX92 is superior (matches Kuro)
Motion - Hx92 again with FULL 1080 lines of motion in 2D and 3D (even better than a Kuro in this regard)
Colors - Again, as mentioned above the HX92 is superior with accurate colors ( Matching Kuro again)
Brightness - Being an LCD, HX92 wins easily
Shadow Detail - Let's call this a tie
Off Angle viewing - VT30 wins this
Pop and Depth - Again, Hx92 wins
3D - Tie both 4/5 stars for 3D
Panel Response Time - Tie, both 8.5 ms
So tell me, how is VT30 better when it fares worse than HX92 in every area except viewing angles ?
VT30 also did poorly in various tests conducted by HT magazine which you can see under Measurements section of the VT30/Hx92 review
3:2 HD - Both Pass
2:2 HD - VT30 FAIL, HX92 PASS
MA HD - Both PASS
SCALING - VT30 POOR, HX92 EXCELLENT
And this is just 1 example. There are even LG NANO LED TVs that perform better than Panasonic VT30. So calling the VT30 the best TV after Kuro is nothing but plain wrong. There are many other LED LCDs that have been better than VT30 not just the current HX92. The Samsung B8500, LG Local Dimming models including the 55LHX,LEX8, the Sony XBR8, HX90, and the current HX92. All these TVs have/had much deeper blacks and overall better PQ than VT30 in most areas except Off angle viewing which is an inherent weakness of LCD tech.
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That would be great you can provide us the link.
Hi
Could you kindly elaborate? I'm asking because I'm about to pull trigger on buying an LG TV. The only choice is whether to go for LCD or Plasma. You can read about my dilemma here
Thanks
Rajesh
@Avmaxfan,
With due regards to your opinion, going by my experience with magazines in general I can say confidently that we need to take all magazine reviews with at least a pinch of salt.
With due regards to your opinion, going by my experience with magazines in general I can say confidently that we need to take all magazine reviews with at least a pinch of salt.
avmaxfan
Active Member
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Yes and anyone who says VT30/Plasma is the best in every case their opinion should be taken with a box of chocolates.
Yes and anyone who says VT30/Plasma is the best in every case their opinion should be taken with a box of chocolates.
I was mentioning about plasma only. Not LCD.
If you decide on plasma, go with samsung or panasonic.
LG plasmas do not get the basics right. Very high image retention, not so good black levels and other niggling problems will surface. Image retention being the major issue.
@Avmaxfan,
With due regards to your opinion, going by my experience with magazines in general I can say confidently that we need to take all magazine reviews with at least a pinch of salt.
Yet you are eager to check out the link of whats hi fi,thats by far the worst magazine out there.
But I have read that someone (forum member) had IR issues with the LG plasma panel (they left a static image for an hour and so) and had a really bad IR but using the anti IR technologies provided the IR disappeared. You can search for the relevant thread. Further, I am of the opinion based on the demos that the panels by LG and Samsung do not differ by much provided they are in the similar price range. Service wise both companies are fine. So go about your purchases with your own brand preference.
LG are atleast 10x more prone to IR.
They have a bit of phosper trail and residual glow.
Between the two, samsung anyday.
As long as one doesn't get unduly influenced by such reviews and forms opinions based on what is written, there is no harm in reading what the reviewer has to say. For all you know you may learn a thing or two from reading.
TheCoolestOne
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Hi Guys!
I am moving away from the topic a bit, but how would you people rate the panasonic 2D models? I dont want a 3D model but am tempted to go in for a 42plasma. Which of the two panasonic series U series or X series is better and why?
Tx
I am moving away from the topic a bit, but how would you people rate the panasonic 2D models? I dont want a 3D model but am tempted to go in for a 42plasma. Which of the two panasonic series U series or X series is better and why?
Tx
U id full HD & X is 1024 X 768. Most of the specs are same. You should also check the Samsung D450
I would strongly recommend Plasma, that too Panasonic, as I am a happy user of one 50X10 from Jan 2010. Flawless functioning with deep blacks and rich colours. I bought a Sony lcd 32 ex300 for my bedroom later. Watching the same program first in the Pana while in the hall, and later in the Sony in bedroom is like watching a beautiful watercolor painting in all its glory first, and then later watching the same with water poured over it! No comparison in clarity and color details!
Just go for PLASMA, and PANASONIC! You won't regret.
Just go for PLASMA, and PANASONIC! You won't regret.
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