You must have some horrible setting in the lcd,i would never accept or watch picture like that.
Plasma or led
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You must have some horrible setting in the lcd,i would never accept or watch picture like that.
Hi, just to reiterate.......................plasma will give you more accurate and natural colours compared to LCD and is more easy on the eyes causing less eye fatigue. LCD/LED are no match for plasma!!!
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Buddy your Plasma fixation seems a bit too much!!!
And I hope you don't want to get flamed by making such a comment. Not everyone likes Plasma picture and as for plasma having more natural colors maybe on the whole yes but there are many LCD tvs (even not so expensive ones) which have better color than comparable plasmas. So I would say better not make any posts claiming "X" tech is best or superior as it will only lead to flame wars. Both LCD and Plasma are good technologies with their own strengths and weaknesses. And I am sure you yourself know how many weaknesses plasmas have.
So it boils down to the specific budget and set of TVs that an individual is looking at buying. But yes in most cases the plasma will have better overall PQ but not always.
Buddy your Plasma fixation seems a bit too much!!!
And I hope you don't want to get flamed by making such a comment. Not everyone likes Plasma picture and as for plasma having more natural colors maybe on the whole yes but there are many LCD tvs (even not so expensive ones) which have better color than comparable plasmas. So I would say better not make any posts claiming "X" tech is best or superior as it will only lead to flame wars. Both LCD and Plasma are good technologies with their own strengths and weaknesses. And I am sure you yourself know how many weaknesses plasmas have.
So it boils down to the specific budget and set of TVs that an individual is looking at buying. But yes in most cases the plasma will have better overall PQ but not always.
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hey guys
do you think an led tv will last for 5 years without loosing its brightness or having dead pixels etc..as compared to a lcd?? i believe that there is slightly more sharpness in an led tv as compared to lcd but spending 10k more for an led tv is justified?? and does any one know what panel the sony nx520 ships with? i was told by my friends that the sony upscale sd picture much better on a FHD tv as compared to samsung! is it entirely true? also since sony has extended warranty for 3 years for 3k bucks,is it not a better choice than Samsung 1 year warranty??
thanks!
do you think an led tv will last for 5 years without loosing its brightness or having dead pixels etc..as compared to a lcd?? i believe that there is slightly more sharpness in an led tv as compared to lcd but spending 10k more for an led tv is justified?? and does any one know what panel the sony nx520 ships with? i was told by my friends that the sony upscale sd picture much better on a FHD tv as compared to samsung! is it entirely true? also since sony has extended warranty for 3 years for 3k bucks,is it not a better choice than Samsung 1 year warranty??
thanks!
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The technology of both LCD and LED is the same AFAIK. The only difference is the backlighting in case of LCD is CFL lamps whereas it is LEDs in case of LED TVs as the name suggests.
I KNOW about picture settings. And this Sony was one of the best in its range when compared in the shop. What I was mentioning about was when compared to the plasma PQ, the LCD quality is very poor. Here I am talking about a regular SD TV prog thru DTH, and not any HD pic. The same SD programme was looking washed out in the LCD when compared to the crispy image in plasma.
Yeah right, care to explain how they have natural colors and how are they less fatigue on eye
Well from your previous post if that how the picture quality was i have no idea how you found it to be the best lcd,i wouldn't buy a tv with that kind of picture.I believe either you have a defective tv or mostly likely you still have some adjustments to make in picture settings.
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hey guys
this is a continuation of my previous post.
which is the best lcd or led tv for 55k?? i have heard about different panels that come in tvs like the IPS an the VA panels. which is better? both Panasonic and lg come with the ips ones and Samsung and Sony come with the VA ones!
this is my first hdtv so i dont know much as to which panels look better!
i have given up on plasma in this price range!:sad: maybe when we get a second tv we will consider one!
thanks
this is a continuation of my previous post.
which is the best lcd or led tv for 55k?? i have heard about different panels that come in tvs like the IPS an the VA panels. which is better? both Panasonic and lg come with the ips ones and Samsung and Sony come with the VA ones!
this is my first hdtv so i dont know much as to which panels look better!
i have given up on plasma in this price range!:sad: maybe when we get a second tv we will consider one!
thanks
Cool, adder, cool! I accept that my LCD is the most defective TV in the world, and that I do not know how to make adjustments in the picture settings. Happy?
But if you had read my post correctly you would have understood that my comments are only about the PQ when compared with the plasma set. Within the LCDs, this is one of the best 'IN ITS RANGE'.
When you're shopping for an HDTV, there are plenty of factors to consider. Chief among them is the type of display. While boxy, bulky CRTs are long dead and mammoth rear-projection HDTVs are all but extinct, the HDTV market currently offers three distinct choices in display technologies: plasma, traditional CCFL-backlit LCD, and LED-backlit LCD. For years, the question of which technology reigned supreme has remained unanswered.
In the early days of HDTVs, plasma, with its inky blacks and top-notch picture quality, was the prevalent flat-panel technology, especially among videophiles. Gradually, thinner, more energy-efficient LCDs with CCFL backlighting became less expensive and more capable and started gaining ground. The difference between plasma and LCD wavered for some time, with each offering different economic and visual benefits depending on the model, price, and time in the life cycle of HDTVs. But in the past couple of years, with the advent of increasingly sophisticated LED backlighting, we finally have a true winner. With its unmatched energy efficiency, LED-based LCD is the best flat-panel HDTV technology. Unfortunately, it's also generally the most expensive. (Though LED HDTV prices have come down considerably over the past year, and continue to drop all the time.) If it's in your budget, the choice is clear: Pay the premium and get an LED-lit HDTV.
The Basic
The three technologies are vastly different, particularly how each the screen is lit. In plasma HDTVs, the phosphors that create the image on the screen light up themselves, and don't need any backlighting. For LCD HDTVs, however, the liquid crystal screen does not illuminate, requiring a separate light source. That's where the difference between "regular" LCD screens (also known as CCFL-backlit LCD) and LED-backlit LCD screens (also known as LED-LCD, or just LED screens) come in. Traditional LCD HDTVs use cold cathode fluorescent lights (CCFLs) to illuminate the screen. CCFLs are similar to the fluorescent lights you might see in your lamps and overhead light fixtures. They use a charged gas to produce light. LED-LCD screens, like their name implies, use light emitting diodes (LEDs) to illuminate the display.
Several factors can be influenced by the type of HDTV display you choose. Among them, the most prominent are screen thickness, brightness, darkness, energy efficiency, and price. Ideally, you want an HDTV that's affordable, paper-thin, can get face-of-the-sun-bright and black-hole-dark, and consumes less than a watt. That's currently impossible, but LED-backlit LCD HDTVs can come closer than the other two technologies.
For this advantage, LED HDTVs command a premium; for all major HDTV manufacturers, LED-backlit HDTVs can cost a few hundred dollars more than CCFL-backlit HDTVs of the same size. Generally, plasma HDTVs tend to be the least expensive, priced at equal to or slightly less than CCFL-backlit HDTVs. However, that savings means the screen will be thicker and much more power-hungry, even if it does offer as good a picture as an LED-backlit HDTV.
LED HDTVs don't have to be super-expensive, but they almost always cost more than their CCFL-backlit and plasma counterparts. Considering the excellent picture quality and significant benefits in screen thickness and power consumption, that extra amount on the price tag is well worth it.
Image Quality
How good the picture looks, especially if you're a videophile or a cinema fanatic, is the most vital aspect of any HDTV. Specifically, peak white and black levels determine how detailed a picture can look on a screen. Poor white levels mean fine details can get washed out in bright scenes, while poor black levels mean shadows swallow up parts of the picture in dark scenes. A very wide gamut from dark to light lets the HDTV show the tiniest details, regardless of how bright or dark the movie gets. In our tests, we measure white and black levels by luminance using a chromameter. A mediocre HDTV might produce black levels of 0.05 to 0.07 cd/m2, while an excellent HDTV might offer levels of 0.01 to 0.03 cd/m2. Historically, plasma HDTVs have produced the best black levels, specifically the now-defunct Pioneer Kuro HDTV brand. The Kuro's screen got so satisfyingly dark that it remained a popular HDTV for enthusiasts long after Pioneer stopped making the sets. The domination of plasma in this field, however, is over. Our current Editors' Choice HDTV, the LED-based LG Infinia 47LW5600, puts out only 0.01 cd/m2, the best level we can measure. That any LED-backlit LCD can get that dark shows how far the technology has come.
White levels don't matter quite as much as black levels, because it's more difficult for screens to show fine details in shadows and easier to crank out very bright whites with backlighting, but they can still matter. At this, LED backlighting again triumphs. The Panasonic TC-L42E30 reaches a staggering 473.50 cd/m2 white levels with modest 0.04 cd/m2 black levels. It completely (and literally) outshines the Panasonic TC-P50ST30, its plasma HDTV cousin that puts out only 107 cd/m2 peak white while offering a slightly better 0.03 cd/m2 black level.
Size and Power
Screen thickness isn't the most important aspect of an HDTV, but initially, it's the most noticeable. A super-thin HDTV is not only visually striking, but it's more easily mounted on a wall, and can be more readily arranged, displayed, or concealed as part of your home theater. At this, LED lighting wins hands-down. The CCFLs that backlight standard LCD screens are much thicker than LEDs, and plasma screens require a fair amount of room for the actual plasma cells. LEDs, on the other hand, can be extremely tiny while being extremely bright, meaning an array of LEDs along the edge of an LCD can light it up while completely removing the backlight from the equation (in this configuration, the LEDs are considered "edge-lighting," not backlighting, though the term backlighting can cover all screen illumination). Samsung's 8000 series LED HDTVs measure a very-svelte 0.9 inches, thanks to its edge-lighting. To contrast, Samsung's 8000 series plasma HDTV models measure 1.4 inches thick, and its CCFL-backlit 750 series HDTVs measure a bulkier 3.2 inches thick. You could literally cram three 8000-series HDTVs front-to-back inside the space of one 750-series screen. However, edge-lit LCDs can't produce quite as dark blacks as LED-array-backlit LCDs. With a full wall of LEDs behind the screen, individual lights can dim and turn off to produce the best black levels when the picture needs them. However, this means the screen can't get quite as thin as if it was edge-lit. Still, even LED-backlit screens can stay remarkably thin. The LG Infinia 47LW5600 measures just 1.2 inches thick.
Energy efficiency is an important factor when choosing an HDTV, and between the three technologies LED-backlit HDTVs win again. LED HDTVs consistently consume around 100 watts or less, while plasma HDTVs can eat up two or three times as much. The 47-inch LG Infinia 47LW5600 uses a meager 95 watts, and the slightly smaller 42-inch Panasonic TC-L42E30 needs just 78 watts. Compare that with plasma HDTVs like the 42-inch Panasonic TC-P42GT25, which eats up 236 watts, or the 50-inch Samsung PN50C590G4F, which uses a staggering 272 watts. However, you can't be certain that an LED-backlit HDTV will be energy efficient. It's a good general rule, but some HDTVs, like the Vizio XVT3D650SV, eats up 165 watts (although that's for a massive 65-inch screen), and the Sony Bravia 46EX720 consumes 112 watts. Even still, these are far better numbers than you'll get with any plasma screen.
In the early days of HDTVs, plasma, with its inky blacks and top-notch picture quality, was the prevalent flat-panel technology, especially among videophiles. Gradually, thinner, more energy-efficient LCDs with CCFL backlighting became less expensive and more capable and started gaining ground. The difference between plasma and LCD wavered for some time, with each offering different economic and visual benefits depending on the model, price, and time in the life cycle of HDTVs. But in the past couple of years, with the advent of increasingly sophisticated LED backlighting, we finally have a true winner. With its unmatched energy efficiency, LED-based LCD is the best flat-panel HDTV technology. Unfortunately, it's also generally the most expensive. (Though LED HDTV prices have come down considerably over the past year, and continue to drop all the time.) If it's in your budget, the choice is clear: Pay the premium and get an LED-lit HDTV.
The Basic
The three technologies are vastly different, particularly how each the screen is lit. In plasma HDTVs, the phosphors that create the image on the screen light up themselves, and don't need any backlighting. For LCD HDTVs, however, the liquid crystal screen does not illuminate, requiring a separate light source. That's where the difference between "regular" LCD screens (also known as CCFL-backlit LCD) and LED-backlit LCD screens (also known as LED-LCD, or just LED screens) come in. Traditional LCD HDTVs use cold cathode fluorescent lights (CCFLs) to illuminate the screen. CCFLs are similar to the fluorescent lights you might see in your lamps and overhead light fixtures. They use a charged gas to produce light. LED-LCD screens, like their name implies, use light emitting diodes (LEDs) to illuminate the display.
Several factors can be influenced by the type of HDTV display you choose. Among them, the most prominent are screen thickness, brightness, darkness, energy efficiency, and price. Ideally, you want an HDTV that's affordable, paper-thin, can get face-of-the-sun-bright and black-hole-dark, and consumes less than a watt. That's currently impossible, but LED-backlit LCD HDTVs can come closer than the other two technologies.
For this advantage, LED HDTVs command a premium; for all major HDTV manufacturers, LED-backlit HDTVs can cost a few hundred dollars more than CCFL-backlit HDTVs of the same size. Generally, plasma HDTVs tend to be the least expensive, priced at equal to or slightly less than CCFL-backlit HDTVs. However, that savings means the screen will be thicker and much more power-hungry, even if it does offer as good a picture as an LED-backlit HDTV.
LED HDTVs don't have to be super-expensive, but they almost always cost more than their CCFL-backlit and plasma counterparts. Considering the excellent picture quality and significant benefits in screen thickness and power consumption, that extra amount on the price tag is well worth it.
Image Quality
How good the picture looks, especially if you're a videophile or a cinema fanatic, is the most vital aspect of any HDTV. Specifically, peak white and black levels determine how detailed a picture can look on a screen. Poor white levels mean fine details can get washed out in bright scenes, while poor black levels mean shadows swallow up parts of the picture in dark scenes. A very wide gamut from dark to light lets the HDTV show the tiniest details, regardless of how bright or dark the movie gets. In our tests, we measure white and black levels by luminance using a chromameter. A mediocre HDTV might produce black levels of 0.05 to 0.07 cd/m2, while an excellent HDTV might offer levels of 0.01 to 0.03 cd/m2. Historically, plasma HDTVs have produced the best black levels, specifically the now-defunct Pioneer Kuro HDTV brand. The Kuro's screen got so satisfyingly dark that it remained a popular HDTV for enthusiasts long after Pioneer stopped making the sets. The domination of plasma in this field, however, is over. Our current Editors' Choice HDTV, the LED-based LG Infinia 47LW5600, puts out only 0.01 cd/m2, the best level we can measure. That any LED-backlit LCD can get that dark shows how far the technology has come.
White levels don't matter quite as much as black levels, because it's more difficult for screens to show fine details in shadows and easier to crank out very bright whites with backlighting, but they can still matter. At this, LED backlighting again triumphs. The Panasonic TC-L42E30 reaches a staggering 473.50 cd/m2 white levels with modest 0.04 cd/m2 black levels. It completely (and literally) outshines the Panasonic TC-P50ST30, its plasma HDTV cousin that puts out only 107 cd/m2 peak white while offering a slightly better 0.03 cd/m2 black level.
Size and Power
Screen thickness isn't the most important aspect of an HDTV, but initially, it's the most noticeable. A super-thin HDTV is not only visually striking, but it's more easily mounted on a wall, and can be more readily arranged, displayed, or concealed as part of your home theater. At this, LED lighting wins hands-down. The CCFLs that backlight standard LCD screens are much thicker than LEDs, and plasma screens require a fair amount of room for the actual plasma cells. LEDs, on the other hand, can be extremely tiny while being extremely bright, meaning an array of LEDs along the edge of an LCD can light it up while completely removing the backlight from the equation (in this configuration, the LEDs are considered "edge-lighting," not backlighting, though the term backlighting can cover all screen illumination). Samsung's 8000 series LED HDTVs measure a very-svelte 0.9 inches, thanks to its edge-lighting. To contrast, Samsung's 8000 series plasma HDTV models measure 1.4 inches thick, and its CCFL-backlit 750 series HDTVs measure a bulkier 3.2 inches thick. You could literally cram three 8000-series HDTVs front-to-back inside the space of one 750-series screen. However, edge-lit LCDs can't produce quite as dark blacks as LED-array-backlit LCDs. With a full wall of LEDs behind the screen, individual lights can dim and turn off to produce the best black levels when the picture needs them. However, this means the screen can't get quite as thin as if it was edge-lit. Still, even LED-backlit screens can stay remarkably thin. The LG Infinia 47LW5600 measures just 1.2 inches thick.
Energy efficiency is an important factor when choosing an HDTV, and between the three technologies LED-backlit HDTVs win again. LED HDTVs consistently consume around 100 watts or less, while plasma HDTVs can eat up two or three times as much. The 47-inch LG Infinia 47LW5600 uses a meager 95 watts, and the slightly smaller 42-inch Panasonic TC-L42E30 needs just 78 watts. Compare that with plasma HDTVs like the 42-inch Panasonic TC-P42GT25, which eats up 236 watts, or the 50-inch Samsung PN50C590G4F, which uses a staggering 272 watts. However, you can't be certain that an LED-backlit HDTV will be energy efficient. It's a good general rule, but some HDTVs, like the Vizio XVT3D650SV, eats up 165 watts (although that's for a massive 65-inch screen), and the Sony Bravia 46EX720 consumes 112 watts. Even still, these are far better numbers than you'll get with any plasma screen.
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Adder is like that only..
The trick is you have to put your statement into a question and he'll agree with you
Hi, I am happy you can differential pic quality unlike many guys. Keep it up!!! Another important factor when comparing plasma vs LCD/LED would be to turn down the lights and then compare. Plasma come alive in dark ambient lighting.
if budget can be stretched a bit, go for the 42V20.........one of the best 2D TV in the market and was the best tv of 2010!!! if not then U30 is a better choice than the X series. But both U and X will not have the neo pdp panel which panasonic is so famous for, which also gives you that amazing pic quality...............give it a thought!!!
We often sideline the comments of people who own both LCD and Plasma or moved from LCD to plasma or vice versa.. These people really know what they are talking.. Honestly!!
Reading the gazillion reviews accross the net, seeing photos, measurements can only take you so long.. Picture quality is much more than that.
Check the TVs personally. Plasmas are going to look dull in the showroom. Check it out in some one's house. If you don't own or demoed anything, you really have no say. Adding to that, If you have demoed a plasma only in a showroom, you don't have any say either.
See the picture in low light conditions. Anything you see except the picture itself (like clouding/backlight/non-uniformity/grey bars) are all distractions. See if you can adjust the colours to your liking. Bright images in insane store lighting is going to look good. Grab the ****ing remote from the store guy and adjust the TV to more reasonable levels and checkout.
A bad setting in a really good TV will make ultra bright scenes in the nearby ok-ok TV look very good. A good sales man can sell you any TV HE wishes by playing with the settings.
End of it, buy the TV you like.
Reading the gazillion reviews accross the net, seeing photos, measurements can only take you so long.. Picture quality is much more than that.
Check the TVs personally. Plasmas are going to look dull in the showroom. Check it out in some one's house. If you don't own or demoed anything, you really have no say. Adding to that, If you have demoed a plasma only in a showroom, you don't have any say either.
See the picture in low light conditions. Anything you see except the picture itself (like clouding/backlight/non-uniformity/grey bars) are all distractions. See if you can adjust the colours to your liking. Bright images in insane store lighting is going to look good. Grab the ****ing remote from the store guy and adjust the TV to more reasonable levels and checkout.
A bad setting in a really good TV will make ultra bright scenes in the nearby ok-ok TV look very good. A good sales man can sell you any TV HE wishes by playing with the settings.
End of it, buy the TV you like.
hi, just happy to know another satisfied plasma user over LCD!!! Im glad you can tell the diff.
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