Samsung 2013 Plasma TV's

[just4kix]

Beyond a certain level there is no meaning. For instance, human eye cannot make any difference in the black level at 0.01 cd/m2 or 0.005. Maybe jungle big cats can, but humans can't.

 

[Dirac]

ok ... some times I do feel that the performance measurements become insiginificant beyond some point. Panasonic might have got better black levels on test measurements, but the case may not be the same in real world. The reason is even the ANSI contrast measurement is not truly close to the real world replication. In real world where few movie scenes are with less MLL, we may end up seeing no difference between Panasonic of 2012 and Samsung of 2012. I have seen movies on Samsung Plasmas and at least in my eyes, I haven't seen any much difference between them and my ST50. Few experts still felt that Samsung was better in having true movie experience as it produced colors which are more natural. So I guess in 2013, test measurements may indicate that VT60 as a better performer, but I am sure Samsung will be on par in real world viewing. My personal opinion is we shouldn't give too much of importance to test measurements.

Yes. Real world scenario is different. People especially in India buy a Tv if it looks bright and has catchy features. Just a week ago my cousin who is well educated and earning well was about to fall for features that were being sold by the LG salesman like,
1) if you touch the screen no marks are left whereas other tvs tend to become dirty.
2) other brands are very bright and not suitable for viewing continously .
3) 3d glasses are cheap.
Ofcourse I convinced him that backlight could be reduced on other brands and picture noise was more on the LG set than the hx750.

My point is that controlled tests of reputed review houses are real indicators of the quality of displays.
It is quite difficult to produce year on year increase in PQ. Panny needs to be lauded regarding their spirit and passion for PQ.
Again sammy has done a commendable job with their flagship. It seems the delta with respect to their previous model is quite high. This is amazing.

 

[illusion_heart]

Yep, agree. A lots depends on real life viewing conditions (and the price).

GT50 was a good display. Amazing blacks but limited dynamic range in Cinema and Professional modes. Add DFC and IR. It was a let down experience. Glad I got my money back

Samsung and Panasonic are both good but somehow I liked E8000 over the GT50. Hope F8500 and VT60 are both on par. We consumers and enthusiasts don't stand to lose anything, do we?

Mate, Samsung has announced the 64F8500 on their site....hope the first batch of sets hit stores fast...time for another round of demo

PS64F8500AR - OVERVIEW | SAMSUNG India

 

[vakharia]

Mate, Samsung has announced the 64F8500 on their site....hope the first batch of sets hit stores fast...time for another round of demo

PS64F8500AR - OVERVIEW | SAMSUNG India

Though I am happy to read about the pricing, I am now concerned that they may not release the 51 inch version in India, since there is no mention of that on the India website.

Or are they doing this step by step?

BTW: The price is good.

 

[shanmune]

Mate, Samsung has announced the 64F8500 on their site....hope the first batch of sets hit stores fast...time for another round of demo

PS64F8500AR - OVERVIEW | SAMSUNG India

That is a wonderful news. I am sensing Samsung taking on the competion and Panasonic is caught napping.

 

[manzb]

They have released many more F series models (mostly LEDs) all gradually in last 2 weeks or so. So many more can be expected in the coming days. BTW 2 lacs for 64F8500 is not a bad price. It can be expected to retail around 1.75-1.85 very soon. So that's really attractive for such a large screen.

 

[emmarbee]

Though I am happy to read about the pricing, I am now concerned that they may not release the 51 inch version in India, since there is no mention of that on the India website.

Or are they doing this step by step?

BTW: The price is good.

The 64E8000 was priced 2.37 Lakh. But the F8500 is priced 2.1 Lakh.
So if the 51" is released in India, it should be around 1 Lakh, as the 51E8000 is priced at 1 Lakh

 

[Naga]

Sammy bring the 51" soon.

 

[longshanks]

Looks like with black optimizer turned on F8500 can go as low as .002 to .001 but with black optimizer turned off it does go that low and stays at .005, the peak luminance however is double that of any panasonic plasma's achieve this year, so again blacks go to Panasonic this year as well. A lot of members have bought the F8500 and whats surprising is that many are kuro owners and their impression of this tv has been pretty amazing so far.

F8500 screens posted by a member.



Here are some of the user impressions.

I decided to take Ph8te's advice and check out the VT60 in person at Magnolia. I was lucky to have a truly fantastic salesman help me out. A 64" F8500 was directly above the a 60" VT60 and we spent almost an hour comparing the two panels in virtually every way possible. Here are my observations:

The first thing I must mention is that we have a VT50 in our bedroom, if you are familiar with that tv, you will be familiar with the VT60...to be perfectly honest, I could not tell the difference, although I did prefer the all glass design of the VT60. Aesthetically, it is a beautiful tv and would look great in any room. I should also mention the VT60 was only in the store for 3 days and had not even been broken in yet.

My salesman said the best way to compare tv's is not to just try the same settings and compare the picture, but to also put them through extremes and see how they perform. He started with the out of the box standard mode on the F8500 and the THX mode on the VT60. If you have experienced a horrible picture with the standard settings in the past, you will not with these tv's. Both looked very normal...not deformed in any way.

The first thing you notice is that although the VT60 has an all glass design, it is the F8500 that provides the effect of looking through a pane of glass. There is a slight haze with the VT60 that you do not see in the F8500. From a clarity and detail standpoint, we both preferred the F8500. You could see the gleam in peoples eyes form a distance on the F8500, while you could only see that gleam on close up views of a persons face on the VT60. Colors looked great on both sets. One advantage the VT60 had, as Ken had mentioned, is that you could see a little more detail through the blacks....better shadow detail. I specifically looked for that and had to point it out to the salesman for him to notice it. One other thing that could be considered an advantage is that the VT60 is not as bright in daylight scenes and not as dark in nighttime scenes, so the transition form light to dark is more comfortable. Although we both much preferred the F8500 overall, I would probably give the VT60 the advantage in dark scenes.

The salesman said now lets have some fun and put the tv's in a variety of extreme modes...maxing out the gamma and contrast etc... He was trying to show me how he could still get a clean, although extremely bright, picture by tweaking the settings. He cranked up the lights and in that environment, the F8500 dominated. The clearest, brightest picture you could imagine...with great detail. The Vt60 does not have the ability to do that...it looked fuzzy and washed out. In a bright environment the F8500 is just spectacular. On the other side of the coin, when reducing the settings to minimum levels, the F8500 could still be adjusted to produce a nice picture, but the blacks were more dominate than on the VT60. At very dim levels, the VT60 gets the nod.

ABL, popping, or whatever you call it, was visible on both sets in the extreme bright modes. You can see it more clearly on the F8500, in part because the the picture itself it's so much clearer in those modes. I didn't even notice it on the VT60 until the salesman said "there it is!". What we viewed did not produce very much ABL so I can't really give an a thorough comparison on that issue.

Finally, the salesman insisted I check the smart stuff, which has been so feeble in the past, I didn't really care, but I'm glad I did. The F8500 is so much better than anything you have experienced. To my surprise it was very fast and functional. The biggest surprise of all was how stunning HD YouTube videos looked...I was not expected it to look so perfect. It really blew me away. That was not the case with the VT60..no comparison. Okay, that's all, I've written enough. Thanks for your time : )

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463454/o...s-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/3120

So today I finally had my 64" set calibrated by one of the top calibrators in the country, Mr. Jeff Meier. Was an absolute privilege to get him scheduled during his Florida tour, and very cool to be the first F8500 he's laid his hands on! In short - his words - "It is a very impressive set."

He calibrated both my 2D and 3D Movie modes and I am absolutely blown away by the PQ. The accuracy, the clarity, the depth, the film-like presentation, all off the charts excellent! Extremely happy with the results. I won't share all of my settings here, because truthfully white balance settings in particular (and being the main portion of any calibration) do not translate exactly between sets so it would be a misleading representation of the extraordinary talent Jeff possesses (plus I didn't ask if he would be ok with it.) However, I'm more than happy to share some of his observations and comments during he calibration.

- Just to get it out of the way, he was hoping this would be a "kuro-killer" (he himself owns one but it's been out so long he'd love there to be a better plasma introduced just for a change!) but at the end of the calibration deemed it not to be, mainly because of slightly better color accuracy he's observed on the Kuro. However, he says its the best plasma he's seen otherwise, and extremely close overall, even saying that if he hadn't worked with so many Kuros over the years and known its subtleties so well it would be difficult to tell the difference, it's that close. He did think that motion, however, particularly in 24 frames with Cinema Smooth (which he had not been impressed with on previous Samsungs) was superb on the F8500 and slightly better than the Kuro, so there was a point on the board for us. But again, don't despair, the differences were all subtle, not significant. He was still very impressed with the F8500.

- In his expert opinion this is the best 3D of any TV, plasma or otherwise - period. He says Samsung plasma always does it better but this is the best of the best. Clear, zero crosstalk, bright, and just... Correctly executed.

- He expects it will be better than the ZT60.

- In terms of black levels he measured .002 with Optimizer in Dark Room and .005 in bright room. At first he calibrated with Dark Room, but during post measurement adjustments identified that Dark Room clips at near black, limiting white to come through in the low end and effecting flesh tones and overall color hues. This was clearly noticeable by all three of us in attendance. Bright room ended up being the better option to give a much more accurate picture still with awesome blacks (the difference in black level in bright room was measurable but in practical viewing not noticeable given the accurate greyscale calibration. The change in hues in dark room was definitely noticed though.)

There was a ton of other stuff too but these are a few things that come to mind as i write this at 2am. Any questions let me know! I'll be here... Probably watching a movie and drooling at the best PQ I've ever owned. Thanks Jeff, and thanks Samsung!!

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[indiglo]

Kudos on Samsung being the new leaders in plasmas!
I joined their pdp ownership list in 2011 & it still is top !

 

[Dirac]

When competition is among the best, a winner is determined by the ability to do the difficult.
A tv that produces even an ounce of details extra in the dark scenes is clearly the winner.

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

Disagree with last statement

 

[anm]

doing difficult is useless if it is useless for the end user.

 

[Dirac]

I dont know why it is useless to produce more details in dark scenes.
Eienstein's theory of relativity theory is also useless to the ordinary. That does not mean he is useless right?

 

[Dirac]

I dont know why it is useless to produce more details in dark scenes.
In that case every plasma is useless.
Eienstein's theory of relativity is also useless to the ordinary. That does not mean he is useless right?

 

[anm]

I dont know why it is useless to produce more details in dark scenes.
In that case every plasma is useless.
Eienstein's theory of relativity is also useless to the ordinary. That does not mean he is useless right?

my point was just highlighting that lot of time doing difficult is not the best thing to do. it happens in day to day work as well. some ppl just want to do the most difficult things even if those have no business or customer value. Just for the sake of marketing their resumes.
e=mcc is a good theory. but I wont pay a tv company if they say that their engineers spent 5 yrs and proved the theorum right by running with the handset at speeds of light and actually saw the size shrink or whatever that theory is indeed usless for my plasma tv, at least in current generation.

 

[Dirac]

I think your argument is right but wrongly interpreted.
Jacking up the resumes is like adding new features. In interviews we see the depth of knowledge which is akin to advancements in picture quality rather than the breadth of knowledge (can be obtained by googling) which is akin to unnecessary features.
Btw e=mc2 is being currently used heavily in particle accelerators. And we have transistors/dsps because of the advancements in particle physics.
My point is e=mc2 and picture quality advancements never become obsolete or useless.

 

[ritzman]

PS51F5500 up on Samsung India website. MRP Rs. 77,500/-

It's got Dual core CPU, IR extender, built-in voice controls & Smart touch remote (surprisingly no traditional remote as per the spec sheet). Face recognition ready, you need an add-on camera to use it.

PS51F5500AR - OVERVIEW | SAMSUNG India

 

[manzb]

Also launched 64F8500, priced at 2.09 lacs MRP

PS64F8500AR - OVERVIEW | SAMSUNG India

 

[sanjay0864]

The stand for the Samsung PS64F8500AR has got to be the worst designed stand in the history of TV. The stand is a perfect example of form over function and also proves that, stupidity truly has no bounds. The stand makes the TV a no option for the majority of people who cannot hang their TVs on the wall.