How about setting "Intelligent frame creation" to "min" rather than having it as "off" ? One of the websites suggested that "min" was decent enough to reduce motion blur (if at all anything present) and at the same time didn't have soap opera effect. The side effect of setting to max may destroy the true picture a cine director intended to present.
ST50 Owners' Thread - First impressions, Reviews, Tweaks, etc.
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miniwarmth
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My understanding is that plasmas have a fast enough refresh rate that motion control or frame creation isn't necessary. LCD's don't refresh fast enough for fast moving scenes and hence rely on artificially created frames. The fact that Panasonic introduced this on plasmas is aimed at those who were thinking of an LCD and needed a comparative metric.
Yes - you are absolutely correct. In fact Plasmas pixels have a very fast response time and so there is no need to have any high refreh rates. What I meant is that some times the input video data itself will have judders based on the way the picture is captured. So if the input video itself has judder, then the Plasma will try to display as it is and it will look like as though the plasma is the culprit. So in case of input videos having judder, then one can set IFC to MIN. Even other wise, having IFC to MIN does no harm even if the input video is judder free.
avmaxfan
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just4kix
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He does not have both tvs. He had got an st50 earlier. The dealer sent him a display piece which he returned back. Afterwards, I guess he saw how his daughter was using the tv and he thought it is better to go with Led.
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avmaxfan
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Oh I see ! 
just4kix
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Oh I see !
He had come to my home for a demo. So when are you coming down?
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avmaxfan
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Let me get the HX950 first 
hyeah:gramaphone
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Un Confirmed news. Panasonic is planning to better their Diwali offer before this week end due to Samsung's price drop. Hope my patience be rewarded will..
just4kix
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That is quite likely, else Panasonic loses out.
Again, even if the lag is small, it all depends on the source content.A picture is as good as the source.All the problems of display started when we abandoned the CRT tvs which smoothly scanned the screens.When frames of pixel data were used as part of digital recording/storage and transmission, all the issues started.
To store a high resolution pixel frames, say for example 1 frame contains 1024x1920 pixels, and 24 frames per second would yield too much data (assuming 8 bits of memory per pixel of information) that can be stored on disks or that can be transmitted. So they intelligently store only the relatively changing parts of the image as pixels.
For example my digital camera recording a video at a resolution of 1024x1920(full hd) pixels per frame, and data of 30 such frames per second, it does not have the internal storage to store such huge data that is being generated per second. Instead a standard like MPEG is used.
This MPEG software analyzes dynamically ,the data in the pixels of the frames that are being recorded by the camera. It only stores the most dynamically changing parts of a frame. For example if we see a football rolling on a grass field, the most changing part of the consecutive frames that is used to record this is only the pixels of the ball.The background grass more or less remains the same.So very few pixel information is recorded of the grass.
Now a mpeg player(it could be tv itself) will re-create the frames from the mpeg file recorded earlier.Now we can imagine the plight of the digital tv.
With less information it has to fill the screen by creating frames intelligently.
Its plight gets even worse to predict pixel data during fast motion scenes.
It resorts to interpolating the display process by repeating/adding its own frames.(See, we already are contaminating the original recorded picture)
So more than a display, I feel that the player(blu-ray/dvd) should properly create frames from the recorded data on the disks and feed them to the display. A good tv just shows the frames at the given rate.It should not be blamed much.But how faithfully it can display the frames created by the player differentiates a good tv from the not so good ones.
Now when a dvd/blu-ray is created from a film, if the transfer is not good, a blu-ray player might produce blurs/motion artifacts etc. That is why we see that some blu-ray/dvds are better than others.
If the source is not good, we can never get a good picture even if we have a good blu-ray player, a very good tv(plasma or led).
Thanks.
My panasonic brandshop guy said that he cannot give st50 below 1.06l.
Cant wait to have it.:sad:
just4kix
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Tell him that you will go Samsung instead, in that case.
Hmm. I did give the feedback that a printer (of all things!) won't cut it and they have to do better and one of the Panasonic brand shop guys said that a few other people had given the same feedback and they were planning to convince the company to do better. Let's see what they do.
Today's price: 42" ST50 at 82K and 50" ST50 at 1L. But same old printer and hungama.com coupon.
Oh I see !
Hi avmaxfan,
As just4kix mentioned, I just have one TV (HX850). I had initially bought ST50, but when I realized it as a demo piece I returned it back and then bought HX850. Regarding the PQ, I guess ST50 is slightly better. Also, it does not have back light bleeding issue. Having said that, HX850 is among the best if you want an LED TV.
avmaxfan
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So have you setup your TV ? Mind posting what settings you are using ? Just asked because there is a huge difference between non calibrated HX850 performance and calibrated HX850 performance
Also since you mentioned backlight bleed, I assume you have not tinkered with the settings and are using a high backlight setting
P.S. Do it in the HX850 reviews thread, as posting HX850 settings here will be off topic.
So have you setup your TV ? Mind posting what settings you are using ?
Just asked because there is a huge difference between non calibrated HX850 performance and calibrated HX850 performanceAlso since you mentioned backlight bleed, I assume you have not tinkered with the settings and are using a high backlight setting
P.S. Do it in the HX850 reviews thread, as posting HX850 settings here will be off topic.
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I also have semi-confirmed news that by this coming Sunday or Monday latest we should have some good deals from Panasonic LED's and Plasma's ... I want to pick up the p50st50 as well, but, in Mumbai I am unable to find stock, and am unhappy with the price tag of 1L ... I am getting the 47dt (LED) series for 1.1 but i really dun like it ... and ofcourse the reviews are bad ...
Any views on the 50em5 ... getting it for 65?
cyberraj,
You can check out Kohinoor showroom in andheri(W). I did check with them about ST50 and they have in stock.
Thanks,
Myzus
Anyways....I think I am going ahead with the purchase.
5k here and there should not matter I guess.:beer:
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