ST50 replacement with LED or Refund??

[shanmune]

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[shanmune]

Tried every possible thing suggested by AVforums chad b to any vague link I found on internet.. Will be more happy to know from other owners. The senior expert from Panasonic was also confused with the issue and said he will check with R&D team and revert, which never happened.

The first 200 hours are very important. One needs to avoid using black bars , try watching it in Zoom1 mode. The THX settings recommended by Chad B are pretty ok but not helping on the motion blur issue. Try not to watch in Dynamic mode on new TV as it leaves more static image IR. The issue does not happen with BDP/Mediaplayer as I have an option from 50/60hz and 24p. Only with cable TV where my sports watching is completely F'd be it hd or non HD.

I came across this from hdtvtest uk website and see if this can be of help to you.

We also paid attention to motion clarity with 50hz content, and this is where IFC actually did prove quite worthwhile. Some users complain of double image effects during fast motion with 50hz material, which is presumably due to the fact that 50hz video, to avoid flicker, is output by the plasma panel at 100hz that is, in each screen update, the frame drawing process is completed twice, before the panel emits black for a fraction of a second. This is present, but we found that engaging the Min [Intelligent Frame Creation] setting (which seems to provide a nearly unnoticeable amount of motion interpolation) eliminated the double images. We tried this out with films transferred to PAL TV, and confirmed that choosing Min did not introduce the unwanted soap opera effect, nor did it introduce any obvious shredding motion interpolation artefacts. It did, however, improve clarity in, for example, scrolling video-generated credits at the end of most UK TV shows. Try switching IFC between Off and Min during these to see the improvement. With 50hz input, the Off, Min and Mid [IFC] settings use a panel refresh rate of 100hz, whereas the Max option performs an internal conversion to 60hz, which produces smoother gradations, but brings with some mild soap opera effect for PAL films, and motion estimation artefacts. Our recommendation is to use Min with 50hz material.

 

[Kittu]

I tried min and 0 both. But it did not help much.

 

[vakharia]

Result is cricket and soccer viewing is spoiled...I finally have someone who agrees with Motion issues...My set anyways got multiple bands visible on White-Black bar used for cleaning IR

Posterization is there all the time as well with solid backgrounds like Walls....

I have no reason to share above unless its there...Whats my gain and why would Company engineer agree with me??

In-fact, IR is so much on ESPN HD, I was watching Australian Open and lines of tennis court ( white lines) stayed on panel for over a day....

Please don't get me wrong. From the issues that you are reporting (tennis court lines would remain on screen for hardly a second at the same place) it means that you are having IR with just a few seconds.
To me, the panel has gone bad.
Can you post some pictures?
What is the situation of new stock in your city?

Why is it hard to believe? Are just4kix and Audiodoc the only guys who should be
believed?

Because it is an extreme case - looks like manufacturing defect.

You are free to come to my home any weekend to observe.

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Thank you for the invite. I would contact you, but to be honest I am more interested in viewing 50GT50 since that is where we have more issues reported. ST50 seems less problematic.

 

[etios]

Because it is an extreme case - looks like manufacturing defect.

It is not an extreme case, you are reading and believing only the fanboys and neglecting, discrediting the other real owners, even ST50 suffers from burn-in, just refer this link in the ST50 ownership thread, read 5 pages from 35-40:
http://www.hifivision.com/televisio...-first-impressions-reviews-tweaks-etc-35.html

Also check out this thread: http://www.hifivision.com/television/32983-heartfelt-pics-st50-after-200-hours.html

 

[Audiodoc]

The 50gt50 was the best TV winner in the 50 inch segment according to what hifi. The 55 inch HX850 LED backlit LCD is almost double it's price.

I am not a fanboy of any brand as such but a company providing 3 years warranty on its product and purchasing the pioneer Kuro technology is definitely going to be at the peak of plasma tech. This has been proved in this years CES where they are bettered themselves with the latest Panasonic Z series plasmas.

Fanboys are those who have Sony or apple written throughout their signature. Not me who is more of a DIYer.

Plasmas have inherent pro and cons and believe me that any plasma available from any company can have burn in if one intends to do so however the newer generations are more hardy. Why only plasma all display technologies can undergo burn in be it CRT, LCD or plasma.

You are ready to believe a guy talking about burn in or IR of tennis court lines. Which is impossible unless you are playing a tennis video game! Common sense is so uncommon.

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

Guys, don't understand some posts on this forum and why we over react. Not pointing to any one post but what should be awareness and a healthy discussion soon turns in to personal attacks. I haven't been at the receiving end but it is shameful to see well read members just fighting it out.

Maybe I some one else reported IR as major issue on Panasonic GT50. Few others disagreed. So leave it there. It's good to know problem exists, sadly in my case. Others don't have it, so let's be happy for those lucky ones.

Why "fanboys" and "common sense"? Doesn't go well with the purpose of this thread. Let's appreciate others point of view.

Back to IR issues with my display, it is very much there even after 30 minutes of use and a bad one. I can see the channel logos even at 8ft distance. I don't want replacement so asked for refund.


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[just4kix]

@audiodoc, it is pointless to argue or reason with fanatics who only job while on this forum is to troll and trash plasma TV posts. They have less intelligence than the creatures they emulate.

 

[Audiodoc]

What I disliked was the fanboys term! When I clearly purchased a led backlit 46 inch Sammy before the 50GT50.

Both of them are running in a single room. When you run a movie with lots of dark content say LOTR or Hugo one can see the difference.

It is unfortunate that some people are having issues of IR I am keeping my fingers crossed as my new set has just done 60 hours.

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

Avoid the THX Cinema mode if you are tempted to see HD channels. That's the most harmful mode even with contrast below 50. Black bars do not cause much of trouble (maybe none even). So a simple conclusion is whites cause more of IR.

Looks like you are blessed with a trouble free panel and hope it stays that way.

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[Audiodoc]

I don't understand why the tata sky or Airtel etc people and the TV channels understand this fact and make their logos, subtle or translucent like national geographic HD, or at least animated.

 

[just4kix]

I don't understand why the tata sky or Airtel etc people and the TV channels understand this fact and make their logos, subtle or translucent like national geographic HD, or at least animated.

They do not even know or acknowledge that the problem exists in the first place.

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[just4kix]

What I disliked was the fanboys term! When I clearly purchased a led backlit 46 inch Sammy before the 50GT50.

Why are you even bothered by someone giving you titles who by self is a fanatic?

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[Nishabfss]

That's a really tough spot you are in Nishabfss

Would be horrible to switch to ET5 from ST50.

ET5 has around 900:1 contrast ratio.

EX650 has about 2000:1 contrast, but is only 2D.

NX650 is unjustifiably overpriced.

ES5600 is only slightly better than ET5 and No 3D

EH6030 is probably as bad or even worse than ET5.





Why isn't Panasonic offering you UT50 ?

Thanks...m getting et50 which is couple of steps up et5"..

I m kind of fine with led now that last 2 plasma had niggles,,

Hope it's not a disaster

 

[Nishabfss]

I have not watched any content with logos or black bars as my new set is doing the first 200 hour but tennis court lines are never static. IR is for static content like tata sky or Airtel logos, channel logos, static gaming content, static pictures. It will be virtually impossible to create IR with tennis court lines as the cameras keeps shifting view, zooming in and out, shifting to views of the crowd. Either something is very wrong with the TV or false information is being propagated.

Also note that at no point I said its burn in,,,,i used image retention..

Your own comments brings home the point that something is wrng,,,with moving images and panel retaining those lines it ain't right,,,

Further, what you missed is that I highlighted that's even viera logo is retained for couple of minutes when the tv starts,,,,,

It does not take an expert to suggest its a case of bad panel ...easy to take at dig at others mate....g

 

[Nishabfss]

The 50gt50 was the best TV winner in the 50 inch segment according to what hifi. The 55 inch HX850 LED backlit LCD is almost double it's price.

I am not a fanboy of any brand as such but a company providing 3 years warranty on its product and purchasing the pioneer Kuro technology is definitely going to be at the peak of plasma tech. This has been proved in this years CES where they are bettered themselves with the latest Panasonic Z series plasmas.

Fanboys are those who have Sony or apple written throughout their signature. Not me who is more of a DIYer.

Plasmas have inherent pro and cons and believe me that any plasma available from any company can have burn in if one intends to do so however the newer generations are more hardy. Why only plasma all display technologies can undergo burn in be it CRT, LCD or plasma.

You are ready to believe a guy talking about burn in or IR of tennis court lines. Which is impossible unless you are playing a tennis video game! Common sense is so uncommon.

Guys pans engineers saw that own their own,,,don't take a dig at me,,,my first plasma was a US import good eight years back and that too a v series pro series,,can send pics of manual if that helps...lol

I know what I am taking....nevertheless why mature people end up doubting others,,,,we all have a life and better things to do rather than just writing wrng updates...Christ sake learn to trust......Also tennis games are replica of real tennis whe camera moves so that game assumptions ain't right buddy

NO one offers a refund unless they agree to a fault man....

 

[Nishabfss]

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[Nishabfss]

I just played recorded Australian open for five minutes...just five minutes and right court line is visible,...luckily getting my plasma replaced ......now that proves the point it is thee and got a kaput set....hmmm...,,,,..

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

.... I highlighted that's even viera logo is retained for couple of minutes when the tv starts...

Same in my case. Forget the logo even the menu is imprinted clearly. I can see Viera Menu Settings, Color, Contrast and a bunch of other wordings including the Return/Exit dial.

A request. Enough bashing each other. Audiodoc clarified his stance, so did you. Let's concentrate in tackling Panasonic

 

[Nishabfss]

Same in my case. Forget the logo even the menu is imprinted clearly. I can see Viera Menu Settings, Color, Contrast and a bunch of other wordings including the Return/Exit dial.

A request. Enough bashing each other. Audiodoc clarified his stance, so did you. Let's concentrate in tackling Panasonic

Agree.,peace...