Toshiba U79 and U80 Owners Discussion And Review !!

[social3467]

How about these ones:

Buy the Philips 6000 series Soundbar speaker TAPB603/10 Soundbar speaker

Experience cinematic sound from your sofa. This Dolby Atmos soundbar with wireless sub-woofer draws you deeper into the shows and movies you love. You’ll hear the drama flow around you, and even overhead.

www.philips.co.in

It seems to be 33% off from their usual ₹30k price and reviews from 3rd party seems good. @social3467 this also seems to be a 3.1 setup with 45x90 L and R channels.

I'm sure those are decent. I'm using LG SL6Y (https://www.rtings.com/soundbar/reviews/lg/sl6y) and it's okay for the price. I got it for 15k from Croma. But the vocals are much clearer than the TV or 2.1 set-up that I had previously (the TV has a headphone out). It has 2 HDMI ports and I have my firestick 4k connected to the soundbar. I connect the soundbar to the TV through HDMI ARC but the video output is only 4K (no HDR support). The Rtings review can help you with the detailed analysis (note: the ratings seem low but in general Rtings provides low rating for soundbars). AV receiver and speakers are the way to go for home theatre

@bipin1143 I agree active speakers are better than soundbars for the same cost. But if we do not connect it to an AV Receiver then the sound is not really great. You only get stereo sound (with the optical out to AV converter) and lose out on all the effects. Even the vocals are not necessarily clear.

 

[neoonwheels]

Wow I doubt any soundbar can fill in that huge 20*20*20 room .

I dont think Dolby Atmos can be passed from TV to soundbar using ARC. ARC is limited 5.1 lossless at max IIRC.

 

[Rajeev-23]

This is a Toshiba Tv forum

 

[lightgamer]

I'm sure those are decent. I'm using LG SL6Y (https://www.rtings.com/soundbar/reviews/lg/sl6y) and it's okay for the price. I got it for 15k from Croma. But the vocals are much clearer than the TV or 2.1 set-up that I had previously (the TV has a headphone out). It has 2 HDMI ports and I have my firestick 4k connected to the soundbar. I connect the soundbar to the TV through HDMI ARC but the video output is only 4K (no HDR support). The Rtings review can help you with the detailed analysis (note: the ratings seem low but in general Rtings provides low rating for soundbars). AV receiver and speakers are the way to go for home theatre

In that case, why don't you just connect the firestick 4k to the TV and connect the soundbar through HDMI ARC. Losing HDR is generally worse than losing DTS and Atmos.

Yeah, I think the Philips seems very good for the price. Abroad, this TV is sold for equivalent for ₹30k and is reviewed highly. For ₹20k these seem like a steal. I won't be able to get Atmos though, but I guess that's fine since they won't do very good atmos anyway and 3.1 channel should be more than enough for me.

 

[lightgamer]

This is a Toshiba Tv forum

We are all owners of U7980 discussing how to improve the sound of the TV. I'm sure it's not off-topic discussion.

 

[lightgamer]

Wow I doubt any soundbar can fill in that huge 20*20*20 room .

The flooring and roof are wooden so it's not as hard to fill as an equivalent concrete room. Also, I only need to fill half that room, since I will be looking from 8 feet or so away. The 20 ft. height is a bummer since upward-firing speakers won't be able to do much.

I dont think Dolby Atmos can be passed from TV to soundbar using ARC. ARC is limited 5.1 lossless at max IIRC.

I don't think 20k speakers can use Atmos well anyway. I'll be more than happy with 3.1 channels audio since most of these are 2.1 or 3.1 anyway. What's more important is separation and clarity.

 

[Eddyson]

On FK, U8080 warranty says - "LCD or LED Panels May have Few Bad or Dead Pixels. This is Not a Sign of Malfunction". Is it the general language in all TV warranties?

 

[neoonwheels]

The flooring and roof are wooden so it's not as hard to fill as an equivalent concrete room. Also, I only need to fill half that room, since I will be looking from 8 feet or so away. The 20 ft. height is a bummer since upward-firing speakers won't be able to do much.


I don't think 20k speakers can use Atmos well anyway. I'll be more than happy with 3.1 channels audio since most of these are 2.1 or 3.1 anyway. What's more important is separation and clarity.

Go with a good 3.1 setup then. You need an amplifier though.

 

[pRosentR]

Any reviews of 65 inch U7980 regarding picture quality and upscaling of FHD and below content please?

 

[lightgamer]

Go with a good 3.1 setup then. You need an amplifier though.

Home theatre is not an option due to the room design and how the TV is mounted. I guess I can go with a pair of stereo monitors if I don't get a good soundbar below ₹20k.

The Philips TAPB603 sounds good to me at ₹20k. Most likely will get it unless Amazon also sells it for a comparable price(prefer Amazon over fk).

 

[aditya2603d]

Home theatre is not an option due to the room design and how the TV is mounted. I guess I can go with a pair of stereo monitors if I don't get a good soundbar below ₹20k.

The Philips TAPB603 sounds good to me at ₹20k. Most likely will get it unless Amazon also sells it for a comparable price(prefer Amazon over fk).

I am also looking at these two - Zebronics Juke bar 9700 and Philips TAPB603. Will Zebronics or Philips be able to passthrough 4k Dolby Vision or only 4K. I am also not sure if they will be able to pass 4K HDR. So in short my question is, is it possible to get 4K Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos at the same time with these soundbar, if it is I might consider them. If not can someone suggest some good sound system (preferably soundbar my parents wouldn't like to mess too much around) under 20k.

 

[lightgamer]

I am also looking at these two - Zebronics Juke bar 9700 and Philips TAPB603. Will Zebronics or Philips be able to passthrough 4k Dolby Vision or only 4K. I am also not sure if they will be able to pass 4K HDR. So in short my question is, is it possible to get 4K Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos at the same time with these soundbar, if it is I might consider them. If not can someone suggest some good sound system (preferably soundbar my parents wouldn't like to mess too much around) under 20k.

The Zukebar will be able to pass 4K HDR to the TV while decoding Atmos, the Philips won't be able to.

However, I'm still considering the Philips because it's a much better speaker overall. And since our TV can decode Atmos, it will be able to send Atmos through Dolby Digital Plus encoding through ARC. It won't sound as good as Atmos through Dolby TrueHD, but I bet still better than pure Atmos on Zebronics. So you'll be able to play Atmos on both (in different ways).

The 9700 pro has too small of a speaker setup. The Philips on the other hand is a proper 3.1 channel with L and R channel also having much bigger 4.5 x 9 cm drivers.

 

[aditya2603d]

The Zukebar will be able to pass 4K HDR to the TV while decoding Atmos, the Philips won't be able to.

However, I'm still considering the Philips because it's a much better speaker overall. And since our TV can decode Atmos, it will be able to send Atmos through Dolby Digital Plus encoding through ARC. It won't sound as good as Atmos through Dolby TrueHD, but I bet still better than pure Atmos on Zebronics. So you'll be able to play Atmos on both (in different ways).

The 9700 pro has too small of a speaker setup. The Philips on the other hand is a proper 3.1 channel with L and R channel also having much bigger 4.5 x 9 cm drivers.

As far as my knowledge on audio system I can be classified as a noob so don't mind my silly questions

--- So to be particular Zukebar will also be able to pass Dolby Vision while encoding Atmos?

--- What I understand if I get Philips audio, because our TV can decode Atmos, it will send atmos audio encoded in Dolby Digital Plus and the result will be comparable to Atmos if not cent percentage. So this will work through apps on both TV and Firestick 4K.

--- From 9700 pro specification only one dimension is given

Soundbar

5.71cm x 4 + 5.08cm x 2

And for philips

Main unit speaker drivers
L: full range (48x90mm) + tweeter; R: full range (48x90mm)) + tweeter; C: full range (52mm) x 2

Now I am confused how to decide which drivers are bigger. Also I get that 9700 pro have 6 drivers compared to I think 5 on Philips.
Any information will really help me in finalizing my purchase

 

[aditya2603d]

As far as my knowledge on audio system I can be classified as a noob so don't mind my silly questions

--- So to be particular Zukebar will also be able to pass Dolby Vision while encoding Atmos?

--- What I understand if I get Philips audio, because our TV can decode Atmos, it will send atmos audio encoded in Dolby Digital Plus and the result will be comparable to Atmos if not cent percentage. So this will work through apps on both TV and Firestick 4K.

--- From 9700 pro specification only one dimension is given

Soundbar

5.71cm x 4 + 5.08cm x 2

And for philips

Main unit speaker drivers
L: full range (48x90mm) + tweeter; R: full range (48x90mm)) + tweeter; C: full range (52mm) x 2

Now I am confused how to decide which drivers are bigger. Also I get that 9700 pro have 6 drivers compared to I think 5 on Philips.
Any information will really help me in finalizing my purchase

Okay an update I just talked with an representative from Zebronic and cleared my query on soundbar passing Dolby Vision using Firestick 4k connected to HDMI in and decoding Dolby Atomos at the same time and he confirmed that the soundbar will pass Dolby Vision. Now I am sure whether to trust him for his answer or not.

 

[lightgamer]

As far as my knowledge on audio system I can be classified as a noob so don't mind my silly questions

--- So to be particular Zukebar will also be able to pass Dolby Vision while encoding Atmos?

It technically should pass the signal untouched. So if you are able to get Dolby Vision through firestick 4k without the soundbar, you should be able to get it with soundbar too.

--- What I understand if I get Philips audio, because our TV can decode Atmos, it will send atmos audio encoded in Dolby Digital Plus and the result will be comparable to Atmos if not cent percentage. So this will work through apps on both TV and Firestick 4K.

Dolby Atmos can be encoded in two ways, either in Dolby Digital Plus or Dolby true HD. The true HD format is the one used in blu ray disk or high class REMUX files. Just the audio files of such movies can touch 10+ GB. Dolby digital Plus is a lower bandwidth option which is used by Netflix, prime and such.

HDMI ARC only supports Atmos over digital plus, true HD is only supported through eARC.

If your TV supports Dolby Atmos decoding (U79 does) it can also downsample Dolby true HD Atmos to Dolby Digital Plus Atmos. So you can play Atmos from all sources. If the TV doesn't, Atmos will only work from Netflix and streaming services.

Now, for the Zebronics, the best way to connect would be to connect the firestick to the HDMI in port and then TV's HDMI port to Zebronics out port. This way, you can use the full Atmos True HD along with all other formats without issue.

For the philips, if you connect in the previous way, you won't get 4k HDR signal to your TV from what I see. So you'll have to connect the firestick 4k to the TV and then ARC from TV to the soundbar. According to the user manual of Philips, this should work with Atmos just fine

--- From 9700 pro specification only one dimension is given
Soundbar5.71cm x 4 + 5.08cm x 2
And for philips

Main unit speaker drivers
L: full range (48x90mm) + tweeter; R: full range (48x90mm)) + tweeter; C: full range (52mm) x 2

The Philips ones are rectangular and are almost twice as big as the Zebronics. 4.8 x 9 = 43.2 mm^2, while the 5.71 round speaker has area of 25.6 mm^2 (pi*2.85*2.85).

Also the philips is 3.1 channel and from a known old brand, so their quality will be superior.

Anyway, even if you look at reviews of the philips even at ₹30k they were positive. At ₹20k there's no way the Zebronics can even come close.

Don't decide based on Atmos. Atmos is only going to be felt if you get proper ceiling speakers or get a much better soundbar. The Zebronics only has 2 5cm drivers which face up, which is pathetic. And the philips don't even has that (which is good IMO).

For Atmos, the 9700 pro will be better as it supports proper passthrough and has upward speakers. But I just can't spend that much on it since the philips one is so much better.

 

[lightgamer]

Okay an update I just talked with an representative from Zebronic and cleared my query on soundbar passing Dolby Vision using Firestick 4k connected to HDMI in and decoding Dolby Atomos at the same time and he confirmed that the soundbar will pass Dolby Vision. Now I am sure whether to trust him for his answer or not.

He's correct. If the firestick passes a Dolby Vision datastream, the Zebronics will just pass it. If your soundbar supports 4k HDR passthrough, it will pass all kinds of HDR.

HDR requires 4k 60 fps 10-bit signal, which is only supported on HDMI 2.0 a/b. The soundbars with just 4k support like the Philips one only support HDMI 2.0 base standard, so they can't pass any HDR data.

However, folks here are having issues with viewing Dolby Vision on firestick 4k. So you might just get regular 4k HDR, through no fault of the soundbar. This will only be fixed with an update to firestick or the TV. There's some issue going on.

 

[social3467]

In that case, why don't you just connect the firestick 4k to the TV and connect the soundbar through HDMI ARC. Losing HDR is generally worse than losing DTS and Atmos

HDMI is messed up on my TV. I have severe lipsync issues when the Firestick is connnected to the TV and soundbar through HMDI ARC or Optical.

I was lucky that my soundbar had 2 HDMI inputs. So it's at least usable and there's no lipsync issue. And HDR on my TV (with all of 280 nits) would be a not so nice experience.

 

[aditya2603d]

He's correct. If the firestick passes a Dolby Vision datastream, the Zebronics will just pass it. If your soundbar supports 4k HDR passthrough, it will pass all kinds of HDR.

HDR requires 4k 60 fps 10-bit signal, which is only supported on HDMI 2.0 a/b. The soundbars with just 4k support like the Philips one only support HDMI 2.0 base standard, so they can't pass any HDR data.

However, folks here are having issues with viewing Dolby Vision on firestick 4k. So you might just get regular 4k HDR, through no fault of the soundbar. This will only be fixed with an update to firestick or the TV. There's some issue going on.

I just read some reddit posts and found that many soundbars upto $500 weren't able to pass Dolby Vision and only pass HDR10. Only one Vizio soundbar around $350 was able to pass DV. So I am unsure how this $250 Zebronics fare.
Here is the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Soundbars/comments/ck3v4f

So is it final that you are going with the Philips one. Now knowing the technicalities I am also leaning towards Philips one for peace of mind.

 

[aditya2603d]

I just read some reddit posts and found that many soundbars upto $500 weren't able to pass Dolby Vision and only pass HDR10. Only one Vizio soundbar around $350 was able to pass DV. So I am unsure how this $250 Zebronics fare.
Here is the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Soundbars/comments/ck3v4f

So is it final that you are going with the Philips one. Now knowing the technicalities I am also leaning towards Philips one for peace of mind.

What about these

https://www.sony.co.in/electronics/sound-bars/ht-x8500/specifications#features

Going for around Rs 21250. Out of my budget but you can at it.

 

[lightgamer]

HDMI is messed up on my TV. I have severe lipsync issues when the Firestick is connnected to the TV and soundbar through HMDI ARC or Optical.

I was lucky that my soundbar had 2 HDMI inputs. So it's at least usable and there's no lipsync issue. And HDR on my TV (with all of 280 nits) would be a not so nice experience.

Yeah, in that case, it's better to put the firestick 4k directly to the soundbar. Though I still prefer connecting the soundbar through ARC as in that way even when you're not using the firestick as a source you can pump in audio to the speaker.

I just read some reddit posts and found that many soundbars upto $500 weren't able to pass Dolby Vision and only pass HDR10. Only one Vizio soundbar around $350 was able to pass DV. So I am unsure how this $250 Zebronics fare.
Here is the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Soundbars/comments/ck3v4f

So is it final that you are going with the Philips one. Now knowing the technicalities I am also leaning towards Philips one for peace of mind.

I'm not seeing anyone claiming that the soundbars do pass HDR 10 and not Dolby Vision. Either the soundbar doesn't support either or does support both.

The protocol is just data passthrough. So if your soundbar supports HDMI 2.0 a/b passthrough, it will support HDR10 and DV(at 24 fps). However, if it supports only HDMI 2.0, it won't support HDR since 10-bit signal can't be passed through.

The soundbar doesn't do anything with the signal, just lets it go straight to the TV. So if it supports the full bandwidth, it supports the full bandwidth.