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I would agree with @arj . War is part and parcel of life. All life forms have to compete for resources to survive and reproduce. I don't have any naïve idea about war being unnatural or avoidable.

Life & War are inseparable. Let alone humans, there will be war as long as there are living beings.

Yogesh said:
Hobby, Love etc involve intense emotions. And when emotions are involved, rationality is the first thing to go out of the window.
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Yogesh said:
I would agree with @arj . War is part and parcel of life. All life forms have to compete for resources to survive and reproduce. I don't have any naïve idea about war being unnatural or avoidable.

Life & War are inseparable. Let alone humans, there will be war as long as there are living beings.
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Off topic - I believe human intelligence (self awareness or sentience whatever one wants to call it) resulted in emotions. And emotions in turn limited our own intelligence. Emotions rob us of rationality and any ability to think straight and simple. Sometimes they just don't let us see or understand very basic or simple things!
 
When people were hunters and gatherers and then settled down as tribes or mini civilizations, wars were more common or rather the rule than the exception. Tribal warfare was a regular phenomenon. Compared to a few centuries back, the number of wars is minuscule now.

Most wars will now be fought to protect larger interests against common enemies.
 
Yogesh said:
I would agree with @arj . War is part and parcel of life. All life forms have to compete for resources to survive and reproduce. I don't have any naïve idea about war being unnatural or avoidable.

Life & War are inseparable. Let alone humans, there will be war as long as there are living beings.






Off topic - I believe human intelligence (self awareness or sentience whatever one wants to call it) resulted in emotions. And emotions in turn limited our own intelligence. Emotions rob us of rationality and any ability to think straight and simple. Sometimes they just don't let us see or understand very basic or simple things!
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When we think of wars in the context of human history, we should also remember ‘collaboration’ - the balancing force. We don’t see this degree of collaboration (upto the global level in case of humans) in other animals where it’s limited to within their herd at best.

And that wouldn’t have been possible without the emotional intelligence of humans. And nor the achievements/progress over millennia, including the resultant development of our cognitive intelligence as the collaborative humankind went on handling increasingly complex tasks.

* Emotional regulation, is indeed important, and is part of our emotional intelligence, along with self awareness, empathy, and relationship management.

A passing thought: What would music be without emotion?
 
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in this one whimsical life time that we each have, we get to have a limited choice in deciding anything much about the quality of the times we live in.
We put our trust in the individuals we vote for to make wise choices and few mistakes.

Through these choices we should be able to foresee if we live in a peaceful society or one full of strife.

Let’s not fool ourselves: if some sections of our society are unhappy, then everyone will be distressed too

So, whatever we call it (Riots, war, battle, mob violence) this will never solve anything. Nothing at all.

But our species is not as smart as we think we are. We, time and again believe chest thumping narcissistic bullies who will promise us anything
 
I am fairly sure no one in this forum has lived through a full scale war between countries and experienced first hand its hardships, tragedies and horrors?
But some may have lived through riots and civil strife with its share of atrocities leaving horrific scars on the survivors. There are some serious conflicts going on in parts of our country right now. Hope we will see a quick and peaceful resolution soon.
 
Hari Iyer said:
I am not even aware of this TBH.
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The news of fighting between communities, and civil strife is easy to ignore and overlook specially if it’s in another state or doesn’t affect us personally. But you live in Mumbai where communal tensions have led to large scale violence…it’s happening in Manipur, Kashmir and in several areas in central India where people living in forested areas feel threatened by large scale mining activities.
 
Analogous said:
The news of fighting between communities, and civil strife is easy to ignore and overlook specially if it’s in another state or doesn’t affect us personally. But you live in Mumbai where communal tensions have led to large scale violence…it’s happening in Manipur, Kashmir and in several areas in central India where people living in forested areas feel threatened by large scale mining activities.
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hmm ok. How are you personally going to address this issue? Most probably at personal level nothing can be done about this. You only get more stressed by reading these and getting personally involved. I would rather refrain from reading such news if i cannot do anything much about it. That way i am more peaceful. Also you are probably right about me overlooking what's happening at Manipur and Kashmir - let me give you an anology - if in my society at Thane if i am not getting drinking water at all for one month - how is somebody sitting at Bangalore affected by it. Its only that i may go thirsty and no one else. Can anyone sitting in Bangalore do anything about it - probably not. Giving the dynamics, complexity and diversity of our country most issues are like that and getting personally involved in everything that's happening around will emotionally drain you and its better to get isolated with such events.
 
A few quotes:

“Realize that everything connects to everything else” – Leonardo DaVinci

“To see things in the seed, that is genius.” – Lao Tzu

“We cannot live only for ourselves. A thousand fibers connect us with our fellow men; and among those fibers, as sympathetic threads, our actions run as causes, and they come back to us as effects.” – Herman Melville

“Our ancient experience confirms at every point that everything is linked together, everything is inseparable.”– 14th Dalai Lama

Interestingly, all of these could can be interpreted in both ways:

1. Stay aware of the whole and act on the whole as it is interconnected

2. Focus on the near/immediate. Whatever you do, will impact the whole as it is interconnected.

Which we opt for is to do with our personality. Some of us can’t help being holistic, some others deeply focused. Both can potentially make/cause big difference.
 
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I don't know who the above gentle men are, only heard about Dalai Lama some years ago but don't follow him TBH.
 
sachinchavan 15865 said:
Which we opt for is to do with our personality. Some of us can’t help being holistic, some others deeply focused. Both can potentially make/cause big difference.
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Wah Wah. Spoken like a spiritual guru 👍

@Hari Iyer Few one liners on the people you haven't heard (for Da Vinci, it is impossible to have a one liner describe him).

1. Lao Tzu - Legendary Ancient Chinese philosoper. Responsible for the foundational text of what is known as Taoism..
2. Da Vinci - Legendary scientist, painter, writer, engineer, botanist, geologist, cartographist, astronomer, mathematician, painted Mona Lisa, Last Supper, designed combat tank, combat vehicle and even a submarine. Leonardo described and sketched ideas for many inventions hundreds of years ahead of their time. He also popularized the concept of golden ratio. Leonardo Da Vinci provided illustrations for a dissertation published by Luca Pacioli in 1509 entitled “De Divina Proportione” (1), perhaps the earliest reference in literature to another of its names, the “Divine Proportion.” This book contains drawings made by Leonardo da Vinci of the five Platonic solids. The Renaissance artists used the Golden Mean extensively in their paintings and sculptures to achieve balance and beauty. Leonardo Da Vinci, for instance, used it to define all the fundamental proportions of his painting of “The Last Supper,” from the dimensions of the table at which Christ and the disciples sat to the proportions of the walls and windows in the background. Leonardo's study of human anatomy led also to the design of an automaton which has come to be called Leonardo's robot, was probably made around the year 1495 but was rediscovered only in the 1950s.
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3. Herman Melville - Wrote Moby Dick, his most famous novel. The book is centered on the sailor Ishmael's narrative of the maniacal quest of Ahab, captain of the whaling ship Pequod, for vengeance against Moby Dick, the giant white sperm whale that bit off his leg on the ship's previous voyage.
 
mbhangui said:
Wah Wah. Spoken like a spiritual guru 👍

@Hari Iyer Few one liners on the people you haven't heard (for Da Vinci, it is impossible to have a one liner describe him).

1. Lao Tzu - Legendary Ancient Chinese philosoper. Responsible for the foundational text of what is known as Taoism..
2. Da Vinci - Legendary scientist, painter, writer, engineer, botanist, geologist, cartographist, astronomer, mathematician, painted Mona Lisa, Last Supper, designed combat tank, combat vehicle and even a submarine. Leonardo described and sketched ideas for many inventions hundreds of years ahead of their time. He also popularized the concept of golden ratio. Leonardo Da Vinci provided illustrations for a dissertation published by Luca Pacioli in 1509 entitled “De Divina Proportione” (1), perhaps the earliest reference in literature to another of its names, the “Divine Proportion.” This book contains drawings made by Leonardo da Vinci of the five Platonic solids. The Renaissance artists used the Golden Mean extensively in their paintings and sculptures to achieve balance and beauty. Leonardo Da Vinci, for instance, used it to define all the fundamental proportions of his painting of “The Last Supper,” from the dimensions of the table at which Christ and the disciples sat to the proportions of the walls and windows in the background. Leonardo's study of human anatomy led also to the design of an automaton which has come to be called Leonardo's robot, was probably made around the year 1495 but was rediscovered only in the 1950s.
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3. Herman Melville - Wrote Moby Dick, his most famous novel. The book is centered on the sailor Ishmael's narrative of the maniacal quest of Ahab, captain of the whaling ship Pequod, for vengeance against Moby Dick, the giant white sperm whale that bit off his leg on the ship's previous voyage.
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Is it a sin if I don't know them? Wondering 🤔
 
sachinchavan 15865 said:
Which we opt for is to do with our personality. Some of us can’t help being holistic, some others deeply focused. Both can potentially make/cause big difference.
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very true !
find peace with your own nature and try not to be prescriptive about someone elses as long as it does not personally affect you ..we are all different and think and react differently
I like to believe that 99% if all of us want to and try to do the right thing but the definition of "Right" is so different due to society, culture, family and ones own personal experience all of which makes it very unique .
 
mbhangui said:
Wah Wah. Spoken like a spiritual guru 👍

@Hari Iyer Few one liners on the people you haven't heard (for Da Vinci, it is impossible to have a one liner describe him).

1. Lao Tzu - Legendary Ancient Chinese philosoper. Responsible for the foundational text of what is known as Taoism..
2. Da Vinci - Legendary scientist, painter, writer, engineer, botanist, geologist, cartographist, astronomer, mathematician, painted Mona Lisa, Last Supper, designed combat tank, combat vehicle and even a submarine. Leonardo described and sketched ideas for many inventions hundreds of years ahead of their time. He also popularized the concept of golden ratio. Leonardo Da Vinci provided illustrations for a dissertation published by Luca Pacioli in 1509 entitled “De Divina Proportione” (1), perhaps the earliest reference in literature to another of its names, the “Divine Proportion.” This book contains drawings made by Leonardo da Vinci of the five Platonic solids. The Renaissance artists used the Golden Mean extensively in their paintings and sculptures to achieve balance and beauty. Leonardo Da Vinci, for instance, used it to define all the fundamental proportions of his painting of “The Last Supper,” from the dimensions of the table at which Christ and the disciples sat to the proportions of the walls and windows in the background. Leonardo's study of human anatomy led also to the design of an automaton which has come to be called Leonardo's robot, was probably made around the year 1495 but was rediscovered only in the 1950s.
3. Herman Melville - Wrote Moby Dick, his most famous novel. The book is centered on the sailor Ishmael's narrative of the maniacal quest of Ahab, captain of the whaling ship Pequod, for vengeance against Moby Dick, the giant white sperm whale that bit off his leg on the ship's previous voyage.
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200% wrong.

Da Vinci was DIYer. His clean power supply for amplifier is a classic.
Lao Tzu was an audiophile who had altercation with another audiophile Wui Wuee about interconnects so was prisoned for his beliefs.
Herman Melville was a Record Collector and 'Moby' was a record album

Now that confusion is cleared. Enjoy the Sunday with family and friends. Let Xi and Don handle the world affairs.
warm regards.
 
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