Buying Western Classical Music

Hi Ajay

Want to collect 2 composition.

Anton Bruckner symphony no 3

Rachmaninov piano concert No 1,2 & 3

Please recomend best CD and performence for the above composition.

Regards
 
pratim

It would be better to buy a complete box set of Anton Bruckner's 9 symphonies. Bruckner, Beethoven, Mahler and Shostakovich are famous for their symphonies. A single cd, of the 3rd symphony would be more expensive, and may not be the best version or recording available in the market. The Bernard Haitink/Royal Concertgebouw set would be superb, but is extremely expensive. Therefore it would be advisable to consider the Jochum or Karajan set. I have the Karajan set, but even the Jochum/Dresden Statskapelle would be very good. I find Karajan/Berlin Philharmoniker recordings to be dramatic,heroic and grand. Very good for Beethoven and Bruckner. But not so good for Mozart and Haydn, where I prefer a more playful and happy tone. The Dresden Statskapelle Orchestra has an old world, classical and laid back sound ( to my ears). I prefer their recording of Mozart's late symphonies, conducted by Colin Davis, to most other versions of the same music . The Royal Concertgebouw from Amsterdam is my favorite orchestra, and if I can find ( and afford! ) recordings made by them with Bernard Haitink,Colin Davis and other top conductors, then they are normally my first choice. You can read the Amazon reviews of the Bruckner's symphonies conducted by Eugen Jochum,Herbert Von Karajan and Bernard Haitink for more information. An old recording of the 3rd symphony is available, if you only want a single cd.

Bruckner: Symphony No. 3 (1873 Original Version, ed. Nowak): Anton Bruckner, Georg Tintner, Royal Scottish National Orchestra: Amazon.co.uk: Music

The Eugen Jochum/Dresden Statskapelle set at Amazon UK.
Bruckner - Complete Symphonies /Eugen Jochum: Anton Bruckner, Eugen Jochum, Staatskapelle Dresden: Amazon.co.uk: Music

The Karajan/Berlin Philharmoniker set is not available at Amazon UK, but you can get it at Amazon US.
Amazon.com: Bruckner: 9 Symphonies [Box Set]: Anton Bruckner, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music

For Rachmaninov's piano concerto's you can buy the Vladimir Ashkenazy/London Symphony Orchestra set from Amazon UK.
Rachmaninov: Piano Concertos Nos. 1-4: Vladimir Ashkenazy, London Symphony Orchestra, Andr Previn: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Together, the Eugen Jochum set for Bruckner, and the Ashkenazy set for Rachmaninov, would be eligible for free super saver delivery. The final billing amount after VAT deduction would be around 20 pounds :)
 
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Thank u Ajay

Will go as u suggested. My interest( very novish) in western classical has recently been facilated by my super Boss( a French ) in office. Will be in touch with u.

Thanks
 
This has been a great thread thanks to Ajay.
My wife is expecting and some people do suggest that listening to Mozart makes the baby more intelligent.

While searching for music I came across this thread and thoroughly enjoyed it. I would just like to share a few resources which I also found.

The link below has many audio lessons to understand western classical. Particularly good is the one from Professor Robert Greenberg. I would only wish there was something like this for Indian classical music.
Music Appreciation 101 - Audio Books & Lectures on Music Appreciation

Another place to listen is mflow. Install Google Chrome --> Web Store --> Search for mflow application. Once installed you can search for huge number of albums. For example there are complete albums which ajay suggested from Karajan - Berlin Philharmonikar.
 
Great maestro's of the 20th century


Herbert Von Karajan was an Austrian conductor who lead the Berliner Philharmoniker from 1955-1989. During his best years, from the mid 60's to the mid 70's, he was widely hailed as the best conductor in the world. HVK was not only a great maestro, he 'looked' magnificent while conducting an orchestra! His striking good looks, and the dramatic flourishes of his baton and hands, probably bought many new listeners into the classical fold. The majestic aura created by Deutsche Grammophon's marketing machine, made him the most famous conductor of his times. The sale of his recordings on cd,vinyl and tape, probably overshadows those of any other conductor. He convinced compact disc manufacturers to extend the running time of a CD from the originally intended 60 minutes to 75 minutes, in order to fit Beethoven's 9th symphony on one disc!

Under HVK's baton, a huge number of influential recordings were made by the Berliner Philharmoniker, of the works of, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner, Mahler, Strauss, Sibelius, Prokofiev etc. But Von Karajan has his detractors too. Some of them consider his work has a little too much of 'Karajan', and a little too less of the actual composer! But generally he is prominently placed, in most lists of the world's great conductors. For Beethoven's symphonies, I have not yet looked beyond Karajan. I had most of them on tape in the early 90's. Presently I have the complete set on both cd and dvd. I would love to listen to other conductors like Bernard Haitink, Leonard Bernstein, Claudio Abbado, Ricardo Muti, Carlos Kleiber, Simon Rattle and Andre Cluytens performing Beethoven's 9 symphonies.

Some famous Karajan recordings available at Amazon.

Amazon.com: Beethoven: 9 Symphonies / Karajan (1963): Janowitz, Rossel-Majdan, Kmentt, Berry, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic, Vienna Singverein: Music
Amazon.com: Herbert von Karajan: The Great Recordings: Ludwig van Beethoven, Richard [Classical] Wagner, Johannes Brahms, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Richard [1] Strauss, Anton Bruckner, Jean Sibelius, Claude Debussy, Maurice Ravel, Herbert von Karajan,
Amazon.com: Brahms: The Complete Symphonies / Karajan, Berlin PO: Johannes Brahms, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music
Amazon.com: Bruckner: 9 Symphonies [Box Set]: Anton Bruckner, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music
Amazon.com: Prokofiev: Symphonies Nos. 1 & 5: Prokofiev, Herbert Von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic: Music
Amazon.com: Shostakovich: Symphony No. 10: Dmitry Shostakovich, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music
Amazon.com: Ravel: Bolero; Debussy, Mussorgsky / Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Claude Debussy, Modest Mussorgsky, Maurice Ravel, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music
Amazon.com: Strauss: Also Sprach Zarathustra, Don Juan / Karajan: Richard [1] Strauss, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music
Amazon.com: Johann Strauss, Josef Strauss: Waltzes & Polkas: Johann II [Junior] Strauss, Johann II and Josef Strauss, Josef Strauss, Herbert von Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra: Music
YouTube - Karajan - Beethoven Symphony No. 5 in C minor Part 1
 
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Great Maestro's of The 20th century

Leonard Bernstein made his debut as a conductor in 1943 when he was only 25 years old. The concert at Carnegie Hall, featuring the NY Philharmonic was actually supposed to be conducted by Bruno Walter. But Mr.Walter was unwell, and Mr.Bernstein, stepped in, and became an instant celebrity! The concert became famous not only because a new maestro had been discovered, but more important, the first American maestro!.

The United States has five major Orchestra's: The New York Philharmonik, The Boston Symphony Prchestra, The Chicago Symphony Orchestra, The Philadelphia Orchestra and The Cleveland Orchestra. But not only were the works being performed, by mostly European composers, the conductors were primarily from Europe. In 1958, Bernstein became the first native born conductor, to head an American orchestra. He remained the boss at The New York Philharmonic until 1970.His exuberant style, good 'screen' presence and his ability to connect with a younger audience, helped classical music to reach a broader audience in the US. His famous recordings include works by Gustav Mahler, Dmitri Shostakovich, Aaron Copland, Jean Sibelius, Carl Neilsen. He wrote the music score for the wonderful Hollywood film, West Side Story.

Like Karajan, Bernstein too has his fans and detractors. His critics remarked that with his dramatic flourishes and body movements, he was better at 'conducting' audiences than an orchestra. But rather than spending time, reading what other people think of him, perhaps it would be best to sample some great music from the vast ocean called BERNSTEIN CENTURY!
Lenny's Back (Slight Return) The Bernstein Century Edition, Classical Notes, Peter Gutmann
YouTube - Shostakovich, Symphony No. 5,Bernstein
 
This has been a great thread thanks to Ajay.
My wife is expecting and some people do suggest that listening to Mozart makes the baby more intelligent.

There are compilation cds of Mozart available, which are targeted at expecting mothers. But I doubt if there is any scientific basis to the assertion, that babies who get to hear Eine Kline Nachtmusik in the womb, will be born more intelligent, than the under privileged ones, who did not get to hear Mozart so early in life. The wonderful, soothing and mostly happy music of Mozart, would probably do a lot of good to the expecting mother. And what could be a better way for a baby to come into this world, than to the strains of Mozart's music :)

I have heard of surgeons who play the music of Johann Sebastian Bach in the operation theatre, while performing complex surgeries. Probably the divine perfection of Bach's music helps them to focus on the job at hand! If Albert Einstein could be inspired by the music of Bach, Mozart and Schubert, then perhaps mere mortals like us, can also be touched by their genius.
http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n15/mente/musica.html
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.music.classical/2006-05/msg00120.html
 
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A few years ago if I had been asked to name a great female pianists, I would not have been able to name even one. In my rather limited universe of classical music, all the great composers, conductors and musicians were male!

Well, now I am aware of several distinguished lady pianists, who are in the same league as their famous male counterparts like Vladimir Ashkenazy, Francois Gulda, Arthur Rubinstein, Daniel Barenboim, Vladimir Horowitz, Murray Perahia, Maurizio Pollini, Glenn Gould etc.

Mitsuko Uchida is a Japanese pianist who lives in England and has made many acclaimed recordings of Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert.

Martha Argerich is an Argentinian pianist who gained instant stardom, when she won the prestigious International Chopin Piano competition, which is held in Warsaw every four years. She is probably the most famous female pianist of the 20th century. Her recordings of Chopin, Ravel, Prokofiev, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Messiaen etc. are acclaimed around the world.

Rosalyn Tureck is an American pianist whose recordings of Bach's Goldberg Variation and The Well Tempered Clavier are almost as famous as those of Glenn Gould. I belong to the minority of listeners, who do not much care for Glenn Gould's version of Bach. My wife who listens ONLY to Bach, (most of the time) intensely dislikes the Glenn Gould recordings. According to her, his Bach is more about Gould and less about Bach! No one knows which version Johann Sebastian Bach would have approved of, but my wife and I have been listening to Bach's music for 20+ years, and we both like it better, when performed by the likes of Tureck, Gulda, Ashkenazy, Perahia and Horowitz.

Angela Hewitt is a Canadian born pianist who has made England her home. She is also acclaimed for her Bach recordings.
 
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Hi Ajay

Here is a personal experience that I want to share or rather suggest . Since you like Western classical so much you can try listening this wonderfull music in vinyl ( do not know whether you already tried) . In my new venture in vinyl recently I tried two vinyl of Tschaikowsky conducted by Karajan - lebel Deutsche Gramaphone . The sound stage and dynamics was way better compared to CD gear. For other music the distinction might be reveres or same depending upon the type of recording but for Western Classic -vinyl is excellent ( of course a standard one ). My interest in western classical is increasing day by day specially after this vinyl experience.

I will be collecting miore vinyl on wetrn classical .

Once again thanks for driving this excellent and informative thread -learnt a lot from this

Regards
 
Pratim

With a good system, and your awakening interest in Hindustani and Western classical music, you are heading in the right direction! If you can stop listening to popular music for 6 months and focus only on classical music, then probably there would be no looking back. Pop goes POP! once you can see through it's superficial and banal nature :)

There are several reasons I will never go for vinyl, however good it may be.

1. I like to keep my system very simple.CD player/ Pre Amp/ Power Amp. In the future I may simplify it even further. Esoteric SA10/Accuphase E450! When I can afford it, I would like to buy a Tube amp and stand mounted BS as a second system, to be used in the same room with the Esoteric cdp. I have not started auditioning/ researching, because the funds are not there at the moment. Perhaps a Macintosh tube amp and BS from Sonus Faber, ATC, Dynaudio, Proac or Totem.

2. I do not have the patience required for nursing and playing vinyl. Earlier I was used to the 45 minute playing time of a C90 cassette. Now I am happy with the 70+ minutes of a cd. I seldom buy cds with a running time of less than 60 minutes. I would not be happy with the small running time of vinyl.

3. Vinyl is at least 5-10 times more expensive than a cd. More expensive means less music, if money is a constraint.

4. And finally the deal breaker! My collection of western classical music on cds is fairly comprehensive. These days I am only buying the works of relatively lesser known composers, because I already have most of the major works. 95% of the music that I have, would not be available on vinyl. Choosing vinyl would mean choosing a format, but loosing all the music that I want to listen to!
 
I forgot to include Tatiana Nikolayeva, the Russian pianist in my post on great women pianists.She first tasted fame in 1950, when she won the Johann Sebastian Bach competition held in Leipzig .The Russian composer Dmitri Shostakovich was heading the jury and was very impressed with her performance. When he wrote his 24 preludes and fugues, he dedicated them to Tatiana.

Her recordings of the same, and also of Bach's "Art of The Fugue" are sought after by fans, and considered among the best ever recorded. The Art of The Fugue was among Bach's last and greatest works, and mastering it is considered a challenge by even major pianists.

YouTube - ‪Nikolayeva - Shostakovich Prelude and Fugue n.6‬‏
 
@Ajay

Need your suggested links for starter in Western Classical. May be for about 20 CDs with good recording.

Thanks
 
@Ajay

Need your suggested links for starter in Western Classical. May be for about 20 CDs with good recording.

Thanks

Sure Amit. Beginning from the beginning. Bach, Handel, Vivaldi from the Baroque period. Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven ,Schubert from the classical period. Chopin, Mendelssohn, Brahms ,Schumann from the Romantic period. Tchaikovsky from the Romantic/Nationalist period.

Posting Amazon UK links to some truly great recordings.

Brandenburg Concertos, Violin Concertos (Bath Festival Orchestra, Menuhin): Johann Sebastian Bach: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Vivaldi - The Four Seasons Anniversary Edition (CD & DVD): Nigel Kennedy, English Chamber Orchestra: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Handel: Messiah: Trevor Pinnock: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Haydn: London Symphonies, Vol.1: Joseph Haydn: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Haydn: London Symphonies, Vol.2: Joseph Haydn: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mozart: Piano Concertos Nos. 20 & 21/25 & 27: Friedrich Gulda, Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mozart: Symphonies Nos.35 "Haffner", 36 "Linzer", 38 "Prager", 39, 40, 41 "Jupiter": Berliner Philharmoniker, Karl Bhm: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mozart: Eine Kleine Nachtmusik: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Karl Bhm, Wiener Philharmoniker, Berliner Philharmoniker: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: Favourite Piano Sonatas (8, 14, 15, 17, 21, 23 & 26): Vladimir Ashkenazy: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies: Herbert von Karajan: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Schubert: Trout Quintet/String Quartet No.14 - "Death and the Maiden": Franz Schubert, Amadeus Quartet, Norbert Brainin, Peter Schidlof, Martin Lovett, Siegmund Nissel, Emil Gilels: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Murray Perahia plays Chopin Piano Concertos No.s 1 & 2 etc.: Various: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mendelssohn / Brahms: Violin Concertos: Anne-Sophie Mutter, Berliner Philharmoniker: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Schumann: The Complete Piano Trios/Piano Quartet/Piano Quintet: Beaux Arts Trio: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Tchaikovsky: The Collectors Edition: Mstislav Rostropovich, London Philharmonic Orchestra: Amazon.co.uk: Music

To begin with, you could acquire 1,2,4,6,8,9 from the list :)
 
Sure Amit. Beginning from the beginning. Bach, Handel, Vivaldi from the Baroque period. Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven ,Schubert from the classical period. Chopin, Mendelssohn, Brahms ,Schumann from the Romantic period. Tchaikovsky from the Romantic/Nationalist period.

Posting Amazon UK links to some truly great recordings.

Brandenburg Concertos, Violin Concertos (Bath Festival Orchestra, Menuhin): Johann Sebastian Bach: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Vivaldi - The Four Seasons Anniversary Edition (CD & DVD): Nigel Kennedy, English Chamber Orchestra: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Handel: Messiah: Trevor Pinnock: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Haydn: London Symphonies, Vol.1: Joseph Haydn: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Haydn: London Symphonies, Vol.2: Joseph Haydn: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mozart: Piano Concertos Nos. 20 & 21/25 & 27: Friedrich Gulda, Wiener Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mozart: Symphonies Nos.35 "Haffner", 36 "Linzer", 38 "Prager", 39, 40, 41 "Jupiter": Berliner Philharmoniker, Karl Bhm: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mozart: Eine Kleine Nachtmusik: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Karl Bhm, Wiener Philharmoniker, Berliner Philharmoniker: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: Favourite Piano Sonatas (8, 14, 15, 17, 21, 23 & 26): Vladimir Ashkenazy: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies: Herbert von Karajan: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Schubert: Trout Quintet/String Quartet No.14 - "Death and the Maiden": Franz Schubert, Amadeus Quartet, Norbert Brainin, Peter Schidlof, Martin Lovett, Siegmund Nissel, Emil Gilels: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Murray Perahia plays Chopin Piano Concertos No.s 1 & 2 etc.: Various: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Mendelssohn / Brahms: Violin Concertos: Anne-Sophie Mutter, Berliner Philharmoniker: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Schumann: The Complete Piano Trios/Piano Quartet/Piano Quintet: Beaux Arts Trio: Amazon.co.uk: Music

Tchaikovsky: The Collectors Edition: Mstislav Rostropovich, London Philharmonic Orchestra: Amazon.co.uk: Music

To begin with, you could acquire 1,2,4,6,8,9 from the list :)

Thanks Ajay!
I too was looking for a starter list. I have very few classical vinyl and cds. It's mostly famous works by Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky & Mahler. Your list will help me great deal in building my collection.
Regards
Vasu
 
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Nice startup collection ajay; many of these are available on many sites

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vasu
Some enterprising bakery and ice cream shops allow you a small nibble of their goodies, in order to entice you further. This is what the list I have posted amounts to. A tantalising glimpse into a garden of earthly delight :)

Most of the recordings I have mentioned are by seasoned conductors, musicians and orchestra's. That was my primary consideration. Since most of these recordings are from the 1960-1980 period, recording quality will not be state of the art, but will still be very good. I find a lot of the 60's/70's recordings more 'atmospheric' and enchanting than those made in the recent years. The 60's/70's were really great years, for musicians and for recording engineers too!

I have chosen works which are simple, enchanting and immortal from the best known composers of the Baroque period ( 1600-1750 ), the Classical period (1750-1825 ) and the Romantic period (1825-1900). Merely a quick introduction to some of the major composers of these times.

Later I will post another list of 'introductions' to the Nationalist and Modern composers from the 19th and 20th century. In the past few months, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart and Co. have taken a backseat (temporary) for me. I have been completely bewitched, bothered and bowled over, by the later composers like Gustav Mahler, Dmitri Shostakovich, Igor Stravinsky, Sergei Prokofiev, Bela Bartok, Olivier Messiaen, Arnold Schoenberg, Antonin Dvorak, Bedrich Smetana, Alexander Borodin, Modest Mussorgsky, Rimski Korsakov, Mili Balakirev, Cesar Cui, Alexander Glazunov, Aram Khachaturian, Edward Greig, Max Bruch, Jean Sibelius, Maurice Ravel, Claude Debussy, Alban Berg, Anton Webern, Gyorgy Ligeti, Bohuslav Martinu, Carl Neilsen, Arthur Honneger, Saint Saens, Edward Elgar, Benjamin Britten, Aaron Copland, George Gershwin.....

Amazon UK'S free delivery is truly a road map leading to audio nirvana. Most of the music which I discovered and acquired from Amazon since February 2011, will probably NEVER make it to the shelves of an Indian vendor. Not for a couple of decades at least! Most of the vendors here seem to be getting compilation sets of the Best of Mozart variety. Or outdated recordings with their glory days far in the past. Or even mono recordings from the 1930-1940 era, where the recording label has failed to mention the year of recording, or buried it in print so small that only the most inquisitive consumer will be able to discover it. Compilations and short excerpts do not make any sense in classical music. One should only buy the full recording of a classical work. And that too, after a bit of research about the recording. It's history of original and remastered releases. The acoustic's of the venue where the recording was made. Whether modern or 'historical' instruments were used. The quality and 'house sound' of the orchestra involved. The conductor and musicians who were part of the recording. All this is a gradual learning curve. No need to hurry. The scenery on the way is pleasant and pretty!
 
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ajay - I find your posts truly inspiring; though I had burgeoning interest in western classical since my school days but somehow due to work pressures all this got separated in the last 15-20 years. But now a revival beckons. Keep it up friend...
 
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ajay - I find your posts truly inspiring; though I had burgeoning interest in western classical since my school days but somehow due to work pressures all this got separated in the last 15-20 years. But now a revival beckons. Keep it up friend...

Thanks dkaile.

Links to torrents are not allowed on the forum. It would be better if you delete your earlier post.
 
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done;

for people not able to spend the amounts but wish to be enriched by the pleasures of this great ecstasy, there are other options; because I believe all the real pleasures in life are (or should be) free... and for everything else there's PB... sorry for the pun, no offence meant
 
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