Shivam
Well-Known Member
I had ordered DDLJ and Jodha-Akbar. DDLJ was an open piece with lots of dust on the vinyl. I have not ordered any vinyls since then from flipkart.
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purely my opinion.....
I fail to understand why hindi vinyl listeners are spending 600/- to 700/- for these more gimmick, marketing and less content stuff. I have personally bought almost all of them because I wanted to listen to them and ascertain how HMV and others are doing in the name of analog pressing. Unfortunately I intend to sell all of them in near future. because
1. Every album is not worth investing 600/- when the CD comes at 100/- or even less, I did not find anything that a record is meant for in comparison to digital recording - be it 1942 A LOVE STORY, DIL TO PAGAL HAI, DDLJ etc.....they are just 12" copy of the CD
2. Fidelity - I have observed our perception about old hindi OSTs are pretty wrong, we think newly recorded stuffs are better because of better technology. One thing we always miss is its not only the technology but how its used to create a lasting effect and there comes the composition which can reach the audience. I can give many many examples of stereo record whose fidelity and quality of composition is something to preserve, listen to these (I will quote only late 70's to 80's for easy reference )
TRISHUL,RAZIA SULTAN, AHISTA AHISTA, NOORIE (Khaiyyam)
MASOOM, IJAAZAT, NAMKEEN, KITAAB (EP), KINARA, HARJAEE, SWAMI DADA, SITAMGAR etc. (R.D.Burman)
NISHAAN,MAN PASAND,DESH PARDESH,KHATTA MEETHA (Rajesh Roshan)
DISCO DANCER, CHALTE CHALTE, SHARABI, ANGAN KI KALI, AHSAAS (Bappi Lahiri)
the list goes long.......
As I visit record shops I know all of these records (in excellent condition) are still available at a price slightly higher than their CD counterpart. I assure you not a single CD of these even come close to the original uncompressed analog pressing.
3. Worth - do I need to touch upon this?. My observation during last one decade says price of a MASOOM or IJAAZAT or RAZIA SULTAN LP have monotonically increased from 50/- to 100/- back in late 90's to 500/-, 1500/- and 400/- and they will continue to increase. These OSTs will never become obsolete because of soulful composition and pure listening bliss. So in a way investing on these is actually a profit.
4. Support - I have stressed many a times that records are available everywhere in the net but whats available with the old record shops cant be replaced. These guys are in this profession for a long long time. They will never tell you their opinion but they know the difference between a SANAM TERI KASAM LP and a JODHA AKBAR LP. For the first one they will bring you something which will delight you (orchestration) as they have mastered the art of understanding the quality of pressing by the
weight of the LP
density of grooves
health of the grooves
a prediction of how often a record has been played by seeing the spindle marks, clarity of the label, seeing the record surface under bright sunlight
production banner - its an important matter, check out the LPs coming out of NAVKETAN or B.R.Chopra or PRAKASH MEHRA or SIPPY's or YASHRAJ - they have always been upright in musical release. Do you know HRISHIKESH MUJHERJEE himself designed the beautiful cover of the ANAND LP ? Believe me it matters
I personally love 70's, 80's but pretty open to imaginative scores. There are many starting from GUPT (electronic), JO JEETA WOHI SIKANDAR (flamboyance) to DIL CHAHTA HAI which I listen quite often, only I don't think there is any need to go for digital remastering into records. Instead analog re-pressing (from the original spools) of NAYA DAUR or BAIJU BAWRA or KHAMOSHI or MILI etc. can demonstrate the strength of our soft music.
My personal opinion only....
I fail to understand why hindi vinyl listeners are spending 600/- to 700/- for these more gimmick, marketing and less content stuff. I have personally bought almost all of them because I wanted to listen to them and ascertain how HMV and others are doing in the name of analog pressing. Unfortunately I intend to sell all of them in near future. because
1. Every album is not worth investing 600/- when the CD comes at 100/- or even less, I did not find anything that a record is meant for in comparison to digital recording - be it 1942 A LOVE STORY, DIL TO PAGAL HAI, DDLJ etc.....they are just 12" copy of the CD
2. Fidelity - I have observed our perception about old hindi OSTs are pretty wrong, we think newly recorded stuffs are better because of better technology. One thing we always miss is its not only the technology but how its used to create a lasting effect and there comes the composition which can reach the audience. I can give many many examples of stereo record whose fidelity and quality of composition is something to preserve, listen to these (I will quote only late 70's to 80's for easy reference )
TRISHUL,RAZIA SULTAN, AHISTA AHISTA, NOORIE (Khaiyyam)
MASOOM, IJAAZAT, NAMKEEN, KITAAB (EP), KINARA, HARJAEE, SWAMI DADA, SITAMGAR etc. (R.D.Burman)
NISHAAN,MAN PASAND,DESH PARDESH,KHATTA MEETHA (Rajesh Roshan)
DISCO DANCER, CHALTE CHALTE, SHARABI, ANGAN KI KALI, AHSAAS (Bappi Lahiri)
the list goes long.......
As I visit record shops I know all of these records (in excellent condition) are still available at a price slightly higher than their CD counterpart. I assure you not a single CD of these even come close to the original uncompressed analog pressing.
3. Worth - do I need to touch upon this?. My observation during last one decade says price of a MASOOM or IJAAZAT or RAZIA SULTAN LP have monotonically increased from 50/- to 100/- back in late 90's to 500/-, 1500/- and 400/- and they will continue to increase. These OSTs will never become obsolete because of soulful composition and pure listening bliss. So in a way investing on these is actually a profit.
4. Support - I have stressed many a times that records are available everywhere in the net but whats available with the old record shops cant be replaced. These guys are in this profession for a long long time. They will never tell you their opinion but they know the difference between a SANAM TERI KASAM LP and a JODHA AKBAR LP. For the first one they will bring you something which will delight you (orchestration) as they have mastered the art of understanding the quality of pressing by the
weight of the LP
density of grooves
health of the grooves
a prediction of how often a record has been played by seeing the spindle marks, clarity of the label, seeing the record surface under bright sunlight
production banner - its an important matter, check out the LPs coming out of NAVKETAN or B.R.Chopra or PRAKASH MEHRA or SIPPY's or YASHRAJ - they have always been upright in musical release. Do you know HRISHIKESH MUJHERJEE himself designed the beautiful cover of the ANAND LP ? Believe me it matters
I personally love 70's, 80's but pretty open to imaginative scores. There are many starting from GUPT (electronic), JO JEETA WOHI SIKANDAR (flamboyance) to DIL CHAHTA HAI which I listen quite often, only I don't think there is any need to go for digital remastering into records. Instead analog re-pressing (from the original spools) of NAYA DAUR or BAIJU BAWRA or KHAMOSHI or MILI etc. can demonstrate the strength of our soft music.
My personal opinion only....
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Shivam
Well-Known Member
Some of the hindi OST have been remastered from master tapes especially for vinyls.
Jodha Akbar LP does sound better than its CD counterpart.
Somewhere else in this forum I had read the same opinion about Veer-Zaara and Laagan vinyls too.
True, most of the other vinyls released now are almost the same quality as compact discs.
The reasons behind this low quality maybe many.
Poor recordings in the first place.
Poor quality of master tapes or not well maintained master tapes.
Absence of Indian Sound engineers while the vinyl 'stamp' is being prepared.
A lot of other reasons too.
The only way to know if the vinyls does justice to the sound quality is by actually hearing it. So we are forced to waste money on this below standard LPs. I will still buy Indian LPs but only the new recordings / new movie OST and also listen to what other members have to say here in the forum.
Next on my list of Indian vinyls is Veer-Zaara.
Jodha Akbar LP does sound better than its CD counterpart.
Somewhere else in this forum I had read the same opinion about Veer-Zaara and Laagan vinyls too.
True, most of the other vinyls released now are almost the same quality as compact discs.
The reasons behind this low quality maybe many.
Poor recordings in the first place.
Poor quality of master tapes or not well maintained master tapes.
Absence of Indian Sound engineers while the vinyl 'stamp' is being prepared.
A lot of other reasons too.
The only way to know if the vinyls does justice to the sound quality is by actually hearing it. So we are forced to waste money on this below standard LPs. I will still buy Indian LPs but only the new recordings / new movie OST and also listen to what other members have to say here in the forum.
Next on my list of Indian vinyls is Veer-Zaara.
Hi,
I think if a person is not finding any difference between the new vinyls and the corresponding cds then there is a problem in the setup of that particular person's vinyl rig.Setting up a tunrtbale properly is a tricky affair indeed.
Thanks.
I think if a person is not finding any difference between the new vinyls and the corresponding cds then there is a problem in the setup of that particular person's vinyl rig.Setting up a tunrtbale properly is a tricky affair indeed.
Thanks.
Shivam
Well-Known Member
jimmy_tulip
Member
And CD might be good for ears...but Vinyl is good on Eyes too 
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Looks Cool. My friends visit my place just to see how it works
..Looks Cool. My friends visit my place just to see how it works
A lot of these newer recordings, even contemporary rock/pop, were done purely digitally. Recording in Pro-Tools and digitally processed specifically for the cd format. A lot of stuff from the 90's to today was created as the CD as the end format in mind. Therefore, the vinyl of that is not going to sound mindblowing. For these old Hindi OST's, as mentioned in this thread, the 70s and 80s stuff will always be the best coz of the great analog equipment it was recorded on. Big recording studios used to record on to tape, and had the master recordings kept with them safely. That warmth cannot be replaced, and is why most of us listen to vinyl in the first place.
It has become too easy to just buy a soundcard, install Pro Tools and record. You can take counteless sessions, and just "fix" stuff up in the post production. Back in the day, you had to nail it on as little takes as possible, coz tape was expensive!
Instead of just lobbying these production houses to release stuff on vinyl, we should be telling them to go back to Analog recording! But alas, music has just become a commodity in todays age of Bollywood glam and glitz!
Sorry for the rant!
Tek
It has become too easy to just buy a soundcard, install Pro Tools and record. You can take counteless sessions, and just "fix" stuff up in the post production. Back in the day, you had to nail it on as little takes as possible, coz tape was expensive!
Instead of just lobbying these production houses to release stuff on vinyl, we should be telling them to go back to Analog recording! But alas, music has just become a commodity in todays age of Bollywood glam and glitz!
Sorry for the rant!
Tek
Alas, analog recording equipment has become too expensive to maintain for studios and these have become very niche and are, at best, specialty items. One record label that persists with analog equipment, right down to using BASF tapes, and religiously avoiding compression of any sort is Water Lily Acoustics. They use custom-made tube mics, tube based mic pre-amps, etc designed by none other than Baron Tim de Paravicini of Esoteric Audio Research.
Hi G401fan
They really go for big bucks. I wish they rereleased their stuff on vinyl once again.
Hi jls001
I am not sure the Waterlily SACDs are an improvement over their cds. The Meeting by River SACD is an improvement but its on Analogue Productions.
They really go for big bucks. I wish they rereleased their stuff on vinyl once again.
Hi jls001
I am not sure the Waterlily SACDs are an improvement over their cds. The Meeting by River SACD is an improvement but its on Analogue Productions.
Hi Prem,
With the current resurgence of vinyl, there may be hope for a re-issue of those titles, if not by Water Lily themselves, then by people like Classic records, or by one of the German labels.
I recall reading an interview with Kavi Alexander in the mid-90s, where he had defended his (then) decision to stop vinyl production because of lack of demand, and unsold stock.
regards,
+1.
Their's would be pressings from genuine analog masters. The Meeting By The River I have is CD, not SACD. But Tabula Rasa is SACD.
Anyone has Jazz at the Pawnshop (XRCD)? That's one title I would love to have. I know two people who have them but I also know they wont ever part with them
Joshua
Hello folks,
Just saw at Rhythm House website. Vinyls of Maachis, Rudaali & Jagjit Singh Bhajans released.
Has anybody bought them?
Would appreciate a feedback on the recording quality and quality of vinyl before buying them.
Regards
Vasu
Just saw at Rhythm House website. Vinyls of Maachis, Rudaali & Jagjit Singh Bhajans released.
Has anybody bought them?
Would appreciate a feedback on the recording quality and quality of vinyl before buying them.
Regards
Vasu
RPG does not have vinyl pressing facility any more. They have dismantled it long back. If I am not wrong MAINE PYAR KIYA was the last regular LP pressed by HMV which was a part of EMI. During that period HMV came out of the EMI affiliation, and obviously because of marketing strategic difficulties (read as anomalies) they stashed all the unsold stock which goes as high as more than a million copies into their Kolkata warehouse which is still lying there in total apathy, destitution and haplessly. Hundreds of brand new copies of records (MRP 21/- to 47/-) are waiting for their unnatural death while "insane" people like me (rather us) is (or are) buying these records in used condition at around 5K!! That is what the price we are paying for loving or caring for records!!!!
RPG or SONY have no control over pressing for they are getting records pressed in AUSTRIA,GERMANY,UK. They very well know there are hardly any reason to release OSTs in records other than what is written in the cover "celebrating a decade ....". I wonder in todays world in India
1.Do people care about uncompressed recording?
2.What comes first in priority - size, number or quality?
3.How long the most popular songs that came during last two decades last in us?
4.Does cover art work, different category of songs in different format, MONO/STEREO/MULTI TRACK recording matter?
Any one who listens to music and keeps an open eye/ear knows the answers. Whats wrong with a MAACHIS CD? or a DIL TO PAGAL HAI CD? I have enjoyed them thoroughly. Whats the novelty of tweaking the original recording digitally and sale them at an inflated price with lot of publicity devoid of any musical quality?
You have every right to question me, check the following LPs
SHALIMAR (MIL), AZAAD (MIL), NASEEB (MIL), BARSAT KI EK RAAT (INRECO), SHOLAY PLATINUM triple LP collection (MIL)..... right from art work to recording fidelity you pay every penny worth for them. What you looking for - instrumentalists, recording engineers, recording studio, introduction of music director, lyricist, singer, producer, director, speciality of the OST - you get all these info in the album. Now thats what I call a proper OST release. If not all probably these are at least some of the reasons I fell for records.
I don't say newly released records are not worth, listeners will or rather time will tell us how worth they are or were. My opinion is they are not needed to be in vinyl at 700/- to 800/- when they are already in CD (which are much better than a reasonable quality) at 100/- or less. The pleasure of music should be accessible to all who is willing to spend what it takes. A music album at 800 bucks is not for all. Why a person who wants to spend 150/- for an album be deprived of this exercise? why this elite practice which leads to no where other than companies earning a few easy bucks? Moreover todays settings, mindsets, listening habits/practices do not endorse the idea of vinyls. Neither the studio recording facilities are akin to vinyl pressing. Instead RPG,UNIVERSAL,T-Series,VENUS,TIPS,SONY can get those albums pressed in records whose analog master spools are waiting to die. Enhance the quality of digitization of the old ever lasting OSTs which are below par when we compare them with what came out of Hollywood recording studios. Even a 60's stereo digital mastered recording (WEST SIDE STORY) will throw an open challenge to a 90's bollywood blockbuster AASHIQUI. Thats not encouraging for us, is it??
Sorry for long write-up
Arnab
RPG or SONY have no control over pressing for they are getting records pressed in AUSTRIA,GERMANY,UK. They very well know there are hardly any reason to release OSTs in records other than what is written in the cover "celebrating a decade ....". I wonder in todays world in India
1.Do people care about uncompressed recording?
2.What comes first in priority - size, number or quality?
3.How long the most popular songs that came during last two decades last in us?
4.Does cover art work, different category of songs in different format, MONO/STEREO/MULTI TRACK recording matter?
Any one who listens to music and keeps an open eye/ear knows the answers. Whats wrong with a MAACHIS CD? or a DIL TO PAGAL HAI CD? I have enjoyed them thoroughly. Whats the novelty of tweaking the original recording digitally and sale them at an inflated price with lot of publicity devoid of any musical quality?
You have every right to question me, check the following LPs
SHALIMAR (MIL), AZAAD (MIL), NASEEB (MIL), BARSAT KI EK RAAT (INRECO), SHOLAY PLATINUM triple LP collection (MIL)..... right from art work to recording fidelity you pay every penny worth for them. What you looking for - instrumentalists, recording engineers, recording studio, introduction of music director, lyricist, singer, producer, director, speciality of the OST - you get all these info in the album. Now thats what I call a proper OST release. If not all probably these are at least some of the reasons I fell for records.
I don't say newly released records are not worth, listeners will or rather time will tell us how worth they are or were. My opinion is they are not needed to be in vinyl at 700/- to 800/- when they are already in CD (which are much better than a reasonable quality) at 100/- or less. The pleasure of music should be accessible to all who is willing to spend what it takes. A music album at 800 bucks is not for all. Why a person who wants to spend 150/- for an album be deprived of this exercise? why this elite practice which leads to no where other than companies earning a few easy bucks? Moreover todays settings, mindsets, listening habits/practices do not endorse the idea of vinyls. Neither the studio recording facilities are akin to vinyl pressing. Instead RPG,UNIVERSAL,T-Series,VENUS,TIPS,SONY can get those albums pressed in records whose analog master spools are waiting to die. Enhance the quality of digitization of the old ever lasting OSTs which are below par when we compare them with what came out of Hollywood recording studios. Even a 60's stereo digital mastered recording (WEST SIDE STORY) will throw an open challenge to a 90's bollywood blockbuster AASHIQUI. Thats not encouraging for us, is it??
Sorry for long write-up
Arnab
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