Lyrita Horn Speakers
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rajagopal_j
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Wow, I didn't realize they were this huge. Measurements and discussions all put aside, the pictured in front of you cabinets I can see in perspective they are big!
Thad E Ginathom
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They look lovely Rajiv! I am visiting Madras next weekend. Look forward to a listen
apk
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Congratulations Rajiv! they look very nice.
Are these the same as the Lyrita Horn Petite? or are you using Altecs in them? I have heard the lyritas with the eminance drivers at Viren's place, and they had sounded very good.
If you don't mind mentioning, what are the dimensions of the room that you are keeping the speakers in? Was wondering how the 'large horns' fare in smaller rooms (which are generally the norm in our country).
Best,
APK
Are these the same as the Lyrita Horn Petite? or are you using Altecs in them? I have heard the lyritas with the eminance drivers at Viren's place, and they had sounded very good.
If you don't mind mentioning, what are the dimensions of the room that you are keeping the speakers in? Was wondering how the 'large horns' fare in smaller rooms (which are generally the norm in our country).
Best,
APK
Hi,
Thanks APK.
They are similar to the Lyrita Horn Petite design wise.(i.e. bass reflex cabinet with horn HF). I use Altec drivers, 515B woofer and 288G HF driver. I also use a Pioneer HW 7 super tweeter .
My room is small, 12'x10'. I would love to have a fully horn loaded system but given my room size this is the best I can do.
Regards
Rajiv
Thanks APK.
They are similar to the Lyrita Horn Petite design wise.(i.e. bass reflex cabinet with horn HF). I use Altec drivers, 515B woofer and 288G HF driver. I also use a Pioneer HW 7 super tweeter .
My room is small, 12'x10'. I would love to have a fully horn loaded system but given my room size this is the best I can do.
Regards
Rajiv
soundofmusic
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Looks Very Good Rajiv, Should sound Fantastic too.
How do you compare the New horn from your Previous one.
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How do you compare the New horn from your Previous one.
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Hi,
I will post impressions once final adjustments are done to the crossover . Nothing major just slight adjustments to the Pioneer HW7 tweeter attenuation level to compensate for the sound of the bigger horn.
Regards
Rajiv
I will post impressions once final adjustments are done to the crossover . Nothing major just slight adjustments to the Pioneer HW7 tweeter attenuation level to compensate for the sound of the bigger horn.
Regards
Rajiv
ranjeetrain
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Lately there has been a lot of vintage talk here, specifically Altec. Since I hadn't heard an Altec system properly earlier I decided to look around for getting a taste of Altec sound. The Altec speaker located nearest to me is in Sarita Vihar, Viren's Lyrita Horn Grande/Petite. I called Viren and setup a time for an audition. I went there with my own portable (actually not so portable) source. It had been a long time since I and Viren had lastly met. It was nice to catch up with Viren after so long. We chatted while Viren moved speakers in place and made sure everything was hooked up well and ready to go. We started as soon as things got ready.
We did the audition in 3 stages. Firstly, we hooked the Lyrita Horn Grande to Lyrita 2A3 power amp source being a Marantz CDP used as a Transport and a Philips NOS DAC (put together by Viren). When the Horn Grande played the first note, it was a very nice first impression. Specifically the notes being played by the HF driver (an Altec 288 compression driver) was very nice sounding. However, the sound was muddy (speaker cones were strugling to move as needed, apparently due to lack of current). We switched the amp to GM 70 monoblocks and things improved considerably. GM 70 helped clean up the overall sound as well added to the frequency extension.
Majority of audition was with my trusted digital source which has been with me on numerous auditions over years. It consisted of an HP Mini 210 VT playing lossless 16/44 files through a Nuforce Icon HDP. With this source there was an overall drop in lowest octave, which rolled off very steeply much above the range speaker was capable of producing. This was the first time I heard this happen (and I have taken this source with myself on umpteenth auditions).
Towards the end we played some of excellent pressings from Viren's collection through his Garrad 301. This was the best part of the audition. Finally the system found itself home and was belting out melodies convincingly.
Sidenote: Viren's TT is something special. I have heard other several other TT but this one sounded very very pleasant, apparently due to choice of tone-arm, and Viren's very own phono-stage. It was dead quite and sounded absolutely fab when playing clean records. Back to speaker.
Speakers made a lot of promise. They theratened to sound great constantly, even when playing the digital source, something they are not designed for. However, the overall sound left me a bit dissatisfied. I have tried to keep this writing free of hifi jargon as much as possible, but there is no way this can be explained without it.
The HF unit put in a LeCleach horn sounded spot on. It didn't put a foot wrong anywhere. They were rolled off at the top, which was evident, except that there wasn't much to fault with them. They didn't do hifi things but got the basics very right. They were fairly detailed as well. The sound was not exciting, but conveyed all the nuances of the recording very well.
The LF unit (a JBL D130) tried hard to keep the Altec a company but it was slow in comparison and that took a bit of sheen off. Like most large speakers, however, they produced huge dynamics and sounded totally effortless, a quality natural to large drivers. With large drivers comes a natural sense of ease and flow to music, which was present in abundance.
Some minor niggles if I can call them so. One was a bit of boxiness that kept bothering me. We discussed what could be causing it, but I'll leave that part to for Viren to talk about. Due to the room size we had them placed firing straight into the listening position. I guess that could explain the lack of sound-stage. I guess when firing straight or with a minor toe-in, they can reproduce much better sound-stage. I also felt there was a bit of lack of power. Sensitivity is a very good thing, but that doesn't take away the need for instantaneous current. Sound was quite open, but I felt it could get better with higher current. Call it my wild imagination, but I do hope someone tries these speakers with a good SS amp and post impressions.
We did the audition in 3 stages. Firstly, we hooked the Lyrita Horn Grande to Lyrita 2A3 power amp source being a Marantz CDP used as a Transport and a Philips NOS DAC (put together by Viren). When the Horn Grande played the first note, it was a very nice first impression. Specifically the notes being played by the HF driver (an Altec 288 compression driver) was very nice sounding. However, the sound was muddy (speaker cones were strugling to move as needed, apparently due to lack of current). We switched the amp to GM 70 monoblocks and things improved considerably. GM 70 helped clean up the overall sound as well added to the frequency extension.
Majority of audition was with my trusted digital source which has been with me on numerous auditions over years. It consisted of an HP Mini 210 VT playing lossless 16/44 files through a Nuforce Icon HDP. With this source there was an overall drop in lowest octave, which rolled off very steeply much above the range speaker was capable of producing. This was the first time I heard this happen (and I have taken this source with myself on umpteenth auditions).
Towards the end we played some of excellent pressings from Viren's collection through his Garrad 301. This was the best part of the audition. Finally the system found itself home and was belting out melodies convincingly.
Sidenote: Viren's TT is something special. I have heard other several other TT but this one sounded very very pleasant, apparently due to choice of tone-arm, and Viren's very own phono-stage. It was dead quite and sounded absolutely fab when playing clean records. Back to speaker.
Speakers made a lot of promise. They theratened to sound great constantly, even when playing the digital source, something they are not designed for. However, the overall sound left me a bit dissatisfied. I have tried to keep this writing free of hifi jargon as much as possible, but there is no way this can be explained without it.
The HF unit put in a LeCleach horn sounded spot on. It didn't put a foot wrong anywhere. They were rolled off at the top, which was evident, except that there wasn't much to fault with them. They didn't do hifi things but got the basics very right. They were fairly detailed as well. The sound was not exciting, but conveyed all the nuances of the recording very well.
The LF unit (a JBL D130) tried hard to keep the Altec a company but it was slow in comparison and that took a bit of sheen off. Like most large speakers, however, they produced huge dynamics and sounded totally effortless, a quality natural to large drivers. With large drivers comes a natural sense of ease and flow to music, which was present in abundance.
Some minor niggles if I can call them so. One was a bit of boxiness that kept bothering me. We discussed what could be causing it, but I'll leave that part to for Viren to talk about. Due to the room size we had them placed firing straight into the listening position. I guess that could explain the lack of sound-stage. I guess when firing straight or with a minor toe-in, they can reproduce much better sound-stage. I also felt there was a bit of lack of power. Sensitivity is a very good thing, but that doesn't take away the need for instantaneous current. Sound was quite open, but I felt it could get better with higher current. Call it my wild imagination, but I do hope someone tries these speakers with a good SS amp and post impressions.
Thanks Ranjeetrain. I have somehow always felt a 15 incher needed a lot of current. Also i feel the listening distance needs to be greater than 10 ft when a 15 incher is in use. Else a lot of treatment like in a studio is required. Its only when you tame the bass of a 15 incher does one hear what it is capable of. This is my personal opinion based on listening to 15 inch Tannoys in a studio
ranjeetrain
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Yes Prem, listening distance is quite important. I haven't experimented with large drivers but I have noticed a much better cohesion (Edit: with increasing listening distance) with all speakers I have owned so far. For speakers with a 15 inch driver 20-25 feet room is an ideal size.
Current is definitely needed. If an amp is able to move the cones of a driver it isn't necessarily doing the job correctly. Necessary current and ability to provide appropriate damping is required too. Now I am not saying one must always use a high damping amp, but one should experiment, what damping factor works best for a certain driver.
Current is definitely needed. If an amp is able to move the cones of a driver it isn't necessarily doing the job correctly. Necessary current and ability to provide appropriate damping is required too. Now I am not saying one must always use a high damping amp, but one should experiment, what damping factor works best for a certain driver.
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srinisundar
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Hmm. I never thought that the demo system of Viren should sound as like the below review...
Let Viren can chip in for some more inputs.
Let Viren can chip in for some more inputs.
ranjeetrain
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srinisundar, have you heard the speakers? If yes, how did it sound to you? Post your impressions. If no, stop trolling.
srinisundar
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Hi,
Another senior FM has, and his views are here.
http://www.hifivision.com/press-release/31780-lyrita-horn-speakers-10.html
Wondering if both heard the same speakers?
Regards
Rajiv
Another senior FM has, and his views are here.
http://www.hifivision.com/press-release/31780-lyrita-horn-speakers-10.html
Wondering if both heard the same speakers?
Regards
Rajiv
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srinisundar
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I am sticking to the discussion only... Dont you think i dont have rights to reply exactly to the below question and answer which is posted against me ?.
Why cant you delete all the comments i have posted in the same page. Does it favour somebody comments and leave it as it is and enjoy the flame ?
Once again replying to the below...
Trolling Ranjeet,,, I have not heard Viren System..I never troll but i am free to comment anywhere this is open forum, most of the comments in other threads posted were trolling comments only.
Who is trolling regular forum members will understand..
Why cant you delete all the comments i have posted in the same page. Does it favour somebody comments and leave it as it is and enjoy the flame ?
Once again replying to the below...
Trolling
Ranjeet,,, I have not heard Viren System..I never troll but i am free to comment anywhere this is open forum, most of the comments in other threads posted were trolling comments only.Who is trolling regular forum members will understand..
Hi,
Another senior FM has, and his views are here.
http://www.hifivision.com/press-release/31780-lyrita-horn-speakers-10.html
Wondering if both heard the same speakers?
Regards
Rajiv
Rajiv I think any review needs to be taken in with a few basic parameters in place:
1. The reviewers reference point - what kind of set up he/she uses. What kind of setups have they heard. Etc...
2. What kind if listening abilities they possess.
I trust ranjeetrain's ears as much as I trust mine. We have similar reference points.
Plus he is courageous enough to write what he felt truthfully without covering up or glossing up.
Hi,
Are you suggesting that the other FM is not writing the truth, and by extension everyone who has commented positively on Lyrita systems and other implementations of Altec and other vintage drivers ?
Regards
Rajiv
Are you suggesting that the other FM is not writing the truth, and by extension everyone who has commented positively on Lyrita systems and other implementations of Altec and other vintage drivers ?
Regards
Rajiv
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