Need suggestions on Amp upgrade from Exposure 3010S2 Pre/Power combination
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A simple requirement that's very tough to achieve!
ranjeetrain
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Can I go back on this one a little bit, please, if you allow me to make this point.
Every speaker has a SPL range where it is most comfortable playing. The detailing, imaging, coherence all falls in place within that range. Below that range and above it the speakers are "not home".
On the other hand, majority of amplifiers sound their best when driven hard.
I am not suggesting to change the speakers, but changing the amp here could be an attempt to solve the "wrong problem".
Changing the speakers is the "correct solution" but it is "not applicable" here because (1) It is not easy to find speakers that satisfy you in every way possible, (2) the current speakers are working well, except for a minor dissatisfaction, and (3) the replacement speaker may solve the "problem at hand" but may give rise to a different set of problems, effectively making the upgrade a sideway move.
A solution could be a slightly mid-range, upper mid-range forward amplifier which enhances the presence at lower volume while not affecting high volume perception by much.
Every speaker has a SPL range where it is most comfortable playing. The detailing, imaging, coherence all falls in place within that range. Below that range and above it the speakers are "not home".
On the other hand, majority of amplifiers sound their best when driven hard.
I am not suggesting to change the speakers, but changing the amp here could be an attempt to solve the "wrong problem".
Changing the speakers is the "correct solution" but it is "not applicable" here because (1) It is not easy to find speakers that satisfy you in every way possible, (2) the current speakers are working well, except for a minor dissatisfaction, and (3) the replacement speaker may solve the "problem at hand" but may give rise to a different set of problems, effectively making the upgrade a sideway move.
A solution could be a slightly mid-range, upper mid-range forward amplifier which enhances the presence at lower volume while not affecting high volume perception by much.
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I agree with ranjeettrain here. One thing you can try to get an idea of what may be the issue (amplification or speaker or mismatch between them) is to try out a preamp with high resolution.
I would recommend a dcb1 buffer. I had the same issue you mention but with the addition of this buffer there was substantial improvement. Class A amplification especially single ended have tremendous resolution.
I would recommend a dcb1 buffer. I had the same issue you mention but with the addition of this buffer there was substantial improvement. Class A amplification especially single ended have tremendous resolution.
Since your budget is 4 lacs I was definitely suggesting you the CS600 for a pair of Harbeths. Trust me they sound superb together. The CS600 is Rs 4.5 lacs though. But for that money and the kind of music you play they are probably the best amp your money can buy. As I said if you want to keep your ATC with exposures play around with the pre and or since you have already ordered, wait for Yggdrasil to arrive and check if that upgrade does what you want.
I've heard the Harbeth SLH5 (I think) with a Leben CS 300 in a smallish room. Excellent timbre and tone. But no headroom! Couldn't drive the speaker beyond a certain point...
Two! I'm suggesting the CS600 , that will drive the SLH5 to good levels!
With the ATC SCM 19 being a 85 DB sensitivity speaker it is very doubtful that a Leben CS 600 amp @ 32 RMS be able to drive it beyond a point... while at low volumes there will be better tone, and timber... but it would not serve the FMs purpose...
I run a Line Magnetic LM 216IA am @ about 18 watts into a 100 db sensitive pair of Altec 604-8G's... and while I am happy, I know what a world of a difference more powerful amplification makes... but, thank god I have a small listening room. So at the moment it doesn't matter much!
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I run a Line Magnetic LM 216IA am @ about 18 watts into a 100 db sensitive pair of Altec 604-8G's... and while I am happy, I know what a world of a difference more powerful amplification makes... but, thank god I have a small listening room. So at the moment it doesn't matter much!
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I never suggested the Leben for ATC,that's the problem if you do not read the whole thread and jump in from the middle and conclude with an opinion.
Dear Sir,
If you care to read the thread carefully, the FM has time and again mentioned that he does not want to change his speakers... he needs an amp upgrade suggestion.
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Again! We are discussing possibilities here Sir. It's not a concluded upon close ended discussion. It's a discussion of possibilities. Read the thread again and the suggestions and intonation of the suggestions.
I have ignored the intonations of other FM's on purpose as the threadstarter has made it clear that he is happy with the ATC SCM 19.
And even if we look at possibilties, I am not quite sure how a 32 watt amp can drive a 86db sensitivity speaker beyond a point. Might work in a small room... which he has for now, but if we keep it in mind that he will be moving to a bigger space later, this combination will be up on the selling blocks again!
Hence, he should be looking at valve amps of the push-pull types that do over 50RMS at least. or better still amps like Trigon, Accuphase, Symphonic line. Those will do most things right - at lower volumes as well as higher SPLs.
Alas. !!!!!!! Who is suggesting him a 32 watt Leben amp with the ATC? Could you quote?
The SLH5 is 86db sensitivity.
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Have you heard the SHL5 with a Leben CS600 ? It's not about wattage it's about the current which the Leben has in plenty. Look around in Google you'll plenty where people use Harbeths with a Leben CS600. Or if you are in Kolkata I can offer you a listen. Or else go through this.
6moons audio reviews: Music Lovers Series "An Auditorium 23, Harbeth. Leben, Shindo and Sony System"
Enjoy.
Have you heard the SHL5 with a Leben CS600 ? It's not about wattage it's about the current which the Leben has in plenty. Look around in Google you'll plenty where people use Harbeths with a Leben CS600. Or if you are in Kolkata I can offer you a listen. Or else go through this.
6moons audio reviews: Music Lovers Series "An Auditorium 23, Harbeth. Leben, Shindo and Sony System"
Enjoy.
Thanks for the all the input guys!!
I have been playing around with the speaker positions for the past few days and have been observing varying results. Finally settled down to a new position where i got a significant improvement in imaging and focus.
As some of the fellow members suggested, i will wait for the Yggy to arrive and then decide on changing the amplification. Moreover, am not getting enough time to do auditions as well...
If you have any inputs, please contribute to the thread or PM me...
Once again.. THANKING ALL OF YOU.. You guys are awesome!!! So many thoughts and so much to learn!!
I have been playing around with the speaker positions for the past few days and have been observing varying results. Finally settled down to a new position where i got a significant improvement in imaging and focus.
As some of the fellow members suggested, i will wait for the Yggy to arrive and then decide on changing the amplification. Moreover, am not getting enough time to do auditions as well...
If you have any inputs, please contribute to the thread or PM me...
Once again.. THANKING ALL OF YOU.. You guys are awesome!!! So many thoughts and so much to learn!!
ranjeetrain
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First thought is you need to give them more space around them. Second thought is - there really isn't much more space available. You should consider treating the first reflection points and pull them out in the room a bit.
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