New hindi lp mastering quality
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That's interesting. I will ask few of my friends if they have any information about these people. In fact one can write a book about it with them in centre with interesting stories+Engineers/musicians personal thoughts+How songs were made ..... And atleast that would be some kind of documentation. Sorry for being offtopic.
Any idea digital masters specification ? Are they pressed from high resolution high bit rate masters ?
Hi Prem,
thanks for the info. I find Silsila was made in 1981 and Kabhi Kabhie was made in 1976 so they are marginal case. I guess it won't be a bad try if I go with Silsila. I hope they should be better than the available cd atleast.I really wish they come up with the vinyl of Dil Chahta Hain it has some very good music.
Thanks.
abhijitwadekar
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hi prem,
the quality of the releases mentioned on LP like, DDLJ, Laggan. 1942.. are good. but try listening the old pressing old Pakeeza and the new one.. the new one sounds bad.. Same for Kabhe Kabhie, the new one sounds like momo recording. The sad part is you pay 800 rs and a 1oo re old one sounds much much better..
the quality of the releases mentioned on LP like, DDLJ, Laggan. 1942.. are good. but try listening the old pressing old Pakeeza and the new one.. the new one sounds bad.. Same for Kabhe Kabhie, the new one sounds like momo recording. The sad part is you pay 800 rs and a 1oo re old one sounds much much better..
Hi all,
Came across this article yesterday :
Business Line : Today's Paper News : Old is gold: LPs are back on the racks
N.Murali
Came across this article yesterday :
Business Line : Today's Paper News : Old is gold: LPs are back on the racks
N.Murali
MAYHEM_METAL
Member
Hi
I think almost all new Lps English or Hindi are pressed from digital masters. I have few records analog recording and same records new, digitally mastered.
Example while playing the analogue recording of Eagles Hotel California, well the first thing I noticed chokes & cymbal and then the guitars sound so real. Then compared the digitally master Hotel California they sound different. The chokes & cymbals sound like CDs highs. The extra fine ( sssikk sssikk )highs you get in CDs but of course better than the CD in sound quality. The same was the case on the other Lps also.
If fact the digitally master Lps sound quite clean & nice. The Hindi Lps are not the best but hey the quality is any day better than CD still. Still sound warm and clear and close to real that Cds. Ok cant compare to Analogue Masters but do we have a choice?.
And forget getting analogue recording in this digital age. At least we have Lps back
Thanks to everyone who made it possible to gets Lps back in India.:clapping::clapping::clapping:
I think almost all new Lps English or Hindi are pressed from digital masters. I have few records analog recording and same records new, digitally mastered.
Example while playing the analogue recording of Eagles Hotel California, well the first thing I noticed chokes & cymbal and then the guitars sound so real. Then compared the digitally master Hotel California they sound different. The chokes & cymbals sound like CDs highs. The extra fine ( sssikk sssikk )highs you get in CDs but of course better than the CD in sound quality. The same was the case on the other Lps also.
If fact the digitally master Lps sound quite clean & nice. The Hindi Lps are not the best but hey the quality is any day better than CD still. Still sound warm and clear and close to real that Cds. Ok cant compare to Analogue Masters but do we have a choice?.
And forget getting analogue recording in this digital age. At least we have Lps back
Thanks to everyone who made it possible to gets Lps back in India.:clapping::clapping::clapping:
I dont think these new Hindi Lps will sound like the old ones. Even when hindi LPs were at their peak in 70s and 80s, even first pressings of most of the titles sound inferior to LPs pressed in 60s. For example take any Hindi LP on Angel pressing from 60s, it will sound far better than any other media. When i first heard these pressings, I couldn't believe my self... there is so much music in those songs. The difference is sound engineer. Angel pressings were mastered by sound engineers from DECCA and it is said they had golden ears.
Not only hindi LPs but Rolling Stones, Tom Jones etc Indian pressed Lps on Decca label sounds far better than their foreign pressed non decca albums. Indian music companies should take sound quality issues seriously otherwise soon they will see a gradual decrease in sale and within 2 or 3 years, hindi / bollywood vinyl again disappear from market. Current situation shows sale is limited to 500 to 1000 copies per title and that justifies the higher price (rs 700 to 900 per LP). Foreign pressing is also responsible for it (higher labour cost etc). At the current price, sale will increase only if Lps give much better sound than Cds. Increase in sale means companies will take this media seriously and restart their abandoned pressing plant here and then we can get lps in range of rs 200 to 300.
From the reviews, it is obvious that most companies have been treating vinyl as collector item and not an audiophile item. Gatefold covers, attractive artwork is not sufficient in increasing sale when sound quality is just OK. I dont think Indian companies will go for good/ experienced sound engineers there (they will charge more and with only 1000 copies in mind, Lp will cost in the range of rs 2000/3000) and to keep the cost minimum i think they are hiring /outsourcing average skilled people.
Even when lps were in their dying stage in early 90s, HMV (sa re ga ma) released first pressing in poor quality ( like Lamhe etc). Just khana purti.
To show the full potential of vinyl companies must outsource to a reputed plant and arrange a demo at major music stores in India (using good turntable, amp and speakers). Then more and more people will take interest in purchasing vinyl.
thanks
Not only hindi LPs but Rolling Stones, Tom Jones etc Indian pressed Lps on Decca label sounds far better than their foreign pressed non decca albums. Indian music companies should take sound quality issues seriously otherwise soon they will see a gradual decrease in sale and within 2 or 3 years, hindi / bollywood vinyl again disappear from market. Current situation shows sale is limited to 500 to 1000 copies per title and that justifies the higher price (rs 700 to 900 per LP). Foreign pressing is also responsible for it (higher labour cost etc). At the current price, sale will increase only if Lps give much better sound than Cds. Increase in sale means companies will take this media seriously and restart their abandoned pressing plant here and then we can get lps in range of rs 200 to 300.
From the reviews, it is obvious that most companies have been treating vinyl as collector item and not an audiophile item. Gatefold covers, attractive artwork is not sufficient in increasing sale when sound quality is just OK. I dont think Indian companies will go for good/ experienced sound engineers there (they will charge more and with only 1000 copies in mind, Lp will cost in the range of rs 2000/3000) and to keep the cost minimum i think they are hiring /outsourcing average skilled people.
Even when lps were in their dying stage in early 90s, HMV (sa re ga ma) released first pressing in poor quality ( like Lamhe etc). Just khana purti.
To show the full potential of vinyl companies must outsource to a reputed plant and arrange a demo at major music stores in India (using good turntable, amp and speakers). Then more and more people will take interest in purchasing vinyl.
thanks
vmscbe1974
Active Member
Dear friends
No point i discussing the state of Lp recording if none from that field or company are in this forum. So make effort to send mails in the customer reviews/suggesstions at the recording companies site.that would induce some sense into them for serious thought process.
Regards
Srinivas
No point i discussing the state of Lp recording if none from that field or company are in this forum. So make effort to send mails in the customer reviews/suggesstions at the recording companies site.that would induce some sense into them for serious thought process.
Regards
Srinivas
pratimbayal
Active Member
Hi Prem
I tried Pakeeza with 2 Lps both from Odeon - probably the first pressing but am not satisfied with the sound. Was there any other print or things are wrong with the Lps I tried.
I tried Pakeeza with 2 Lps both from Odeon - probably the first pressing but am not satisfied with the sound. Was there any other print or things are wrong with the Lps I tried.
Hi Pratimbayal
I do not know what is wrong. Have you listened to other old Hindi film lps on your table?
A friend of mine heard Umrao Jaan on a Project 10 and was very disappointed. When he heard the same lp on my table he could not believe how good it sounded. I found that very surprising.
So i really do not know what is happening here. My only guess would be modern tables damp more and hence old Hindi pressings do not sound that good. Its just a guess, i may be completely off the mark.
I do not know what is wrong. Have you listened to other old Hindi film lps on your table?
A friend of mine heard Umrao Jaan on a Project 10 and was very disappointed. When he heard the same lp on my table he could not believe how good it sounded. I found that very surprising.
So i really do not know what is happening here. My only guess would be modern tables damp more and hence old Hindi pressings do not sound that good. Its just a guess, i may be completely off the mark.
Hi Prem,
thanks for the info. I don't know how to describe the music is compressed not very open. The recording of Umrao Jaan OTOH is excellent very open and free flowing sound. Any idea how is the Recording of Shree 420. I remember the movie has excellent picture and sound quality. Does the LP also match the quality?
Thanks.
thanks for the info. I don't know how to describe the music is compressed not very open. The recording of Umrao Jaan OTOH is excellent very open and free flowing sound. Any idea how is the Recording of Shree 420. I remember the movie has excellent picture and sound quality. Does the LP also match the quality?
Thanks.
Hi Mahiruha
Shree 420 is very good. All SJ lps sound very good.
There are quite a few hindi lps which say electronically processed stereo. These do not sound very good. For these you may have to look at ep.
Abhimaan, Mera Naam Joker, Anamika, Heera Panna, Bobby, Daag, Aap Ki Kasam, Yaadon Ki Baaraat and a few more - these are all electronically processed stereo
.
Your Pakeezah could be from a bad lot of pressed lps. There is no other reason why it should not sound good
Hi Mahiruha
I heard 1942 A Love Story last night. Pyar Hua Chupke by Kavita Krishnamurthy sounds perfect. There is no problem with the mix. Her voice stands out beautifully.
Shree 420 is very good. All SJ lps sound very good.
There are quite a few hindi lps which say electronically processed stereo. These do not sound very good. For these you may have to look at ep.
Abhimaan, Mera Naam Joker, Anamika, Heera Panna, Bobby, Daag, Aap Ki Kasam, Yaadon Ki Baaraat and a few more - these are all electronically processed stereo
.
Your Pakeezah could be from a bad lot of pressed lps. There is no other reason why it should not sound good
Hi Mahiruha
I heard 1942 A Love Story last night. Pyar Hua Chupke by Kavita Krishnamurthy sounds perfect. There is no problem with the mix. Her voice stands out beautifully.
Electronically processed stereo was in vogue especially in the year 1973-74. It died a slow death as soon as we had Sholay, Julie, Chalte Chalte from Polydor in 1975. Polydor never went for electronically processed stereo as far as I know. The HMV we had at that time and what we have now has one thing in common - full of shitty people. They only distorted and damaged what they had. From a catalogue of more than I lakh title, you can count only few soundtracks which are a real pleasure to listen to.
pratimbayal
Active Member
Hi Prem
I had " Guide, Amar prem, Tisri Manzil, Madhumati, Saheb bibi Gulam, Ghar, Kati Patang etc" which are sounding good on my Project RPM 4 . I also got Julie - the recording is good but the condition of the LP is not that good - am waiting for a better copy. But yes for some LP the sound could have been more open -may be a better/old ( like you ) TT would produce that.
But for Pakeeza - some thing is wrong with me
I had " Guide, Amar prem, Tisri Manzil, Madhumati, Saheb bibi Gulam, Ghar, Kati Patang etc" which are sounding good on my Project RPM 4 . I also got Julie - the recording is good but the condition of the LP is not that good - am waiting for a better copy. But yes for some LP the sound could have been more open -may be a better/old ( like you ) TT would produce that.
But for Pakeeza - some thing is wrong with me
oracle1974
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Any comments on the quality of pressing of Jab We Met.
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