Sound signature
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The sound coming out of the speakers.
Then I would have to ask you to show me one objective test which says its not the same.
Cheers,
Saurabh
In other words, prove it!
check this post I made few days ago.
http://www.hifivision.com/av-lounge/23897-10-biggest-lies-audio-4.html#post336318
I was of your opinion just few days back. To say the truth, I had stronger opinion that cables don't make different sound.
I just moved my ass 2 weeks ago and did some cable audition. Mostly all pitfalls gone from my setup mow. Most noticiably the slight boom.
Analog cables and interconnects make a world of difference. Digital cable, none.
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koushik
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@Dazoy- Can you give an objective test to prove that Md. Rafi is better singer than me? Thats in ear - thats in understanding. Leave that, do you have any quantitative measure to say B&W sounds better than Wharfedale? Thats in ear - thats in understanding of sound of music.
Be happy if cable doesn't matter to you. Good for you. Will save lot of money. I hope you come across an excellent sounding setup in future where you will know the difference your cable can make. A 40K, 80K or even a 1L will not tell you the difference of a Rs. 380/m cable and a Rs.4000/m cable.
I had an opportunity to hear a matrix 802 with Quad 606 (highly modded though) with a High Pass alignment filter and I know how things should sound. How cables matter? How cable lifters matter? Till then keep guessing and arguing
Be happy if cable doesn't matter to you. Good for you. Will save lot of money. I hope you come across an excellent sounding setup in future where you will know the difference your cable can make. A 40K, 80K or even a 1L will not tell you the difference of a Rs. 380/m cable and a Rs.4000/m cable.
I had an opportunity to hear a matrix 802 with Quad 606 (highly modded though) with a High Pass alignment filter and I know how things should sound. How cables matter? How cable lifters matter? Till then keep guessing and arguing
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Sure I can, show me the measurement graphs and number of two widely differing speakers and I will tell that to you. By looking at a frequency response of the two, you will know that the wharfdale is a boomy,muddy piece of crap as compared to a B&W. It will also show that the B&W drivers have lower distortion plots and will sound cleaner. the FR will also tell you if the speaker is going to sound bright or boomy or warm or sibilant etc etc etc. Its all there in the numbers.
About rafi and you, yes. put 100 people in the room, play his songs and your songs, if more than 50% say that you are a better singer than rafi, I will take their word. Now lets see if you will agree to a similar test, if more than 50% say that they cant hear a difference in cables, will you take their word.:lol:
^^ Can you give an objective test to prove that Md. Rafi is better singer than me? Thats in ear - thats in understanding. Leave that, do you have any quantitative measure to say B&W sounds better than Wharfedale? Thats in ear - thats in understanding of sound of music.
Be happy if cable doesn't matter to you. Good for you. Will save lot of money. I hope you come across an excellent sounding setup in future where you will know the difference your cable can make. A 40K, 80K or even a 1L will not tell you the difference of a Rs. 380/m cable and a Rs.4000/m cable.
I had an opportunity to hear a matrix 802 with Quad 606 (highly modded though) with a High Pass alignment filter and I know how things should sound. How cables matter? How cable lifters matter? Till then keep guessing and arguing
Ability of a musician can be judged on the number of octaves he/she can sing. Secondly, how accurately he/she can sing a note and hold a note. If you think you can beat Mhd Rafi on those, I am sure you are a better singer.
For speaker, the ability to reproduce the accurately can be judged by comparing the recording from the speakers to the original media.
How do you know how things should sound? How did it sound differently on other systems? Are you now saying cable lifters matter too??
Cheers,
Saurabh
koushik
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Do yourself a favour, connect a high quality speaker with different cables and get the measuring graph and compare. For me its all in the ear.
koushik
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I do agree. If the quality difference of cables are huge I am ready for a blind test as well.
I dont need to. Plenty of people have done that and could not see any difference. So maybe its all in the mind..
koushik
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Well, when there was no measurements even then there were great singers. "how accurately he/she can sing a note and hold a note" ha ha ha ... where is the measurement buddy? Who will judge what is accurate? Your ear ofcourse ... Its all about hearing the difference. Everything can't be measured sitting in your drawing room but can be understood. You need a discerning ear for that.
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Well, then I say to my ears, kaushik sounds better than mohammad rafi, can you dispute that. How will you prove it. to my ears, he does sound better... If the ears are the judge, we have a hung jury, that will never agree.
If this is the case, this entire forum is pointless, what right do we have to give advice to someone when he will hear things differently than us.
Your ears say cables make a difference, mine say they dont. now what???? Oh, and let me preempt the next line of thought, I have pretty decent ears, years of listening experience, a pretty decent neutral system...
koushik
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God grace. The point is no one will ever say I am a singer :lol: :lol: (leave the comparison with Rafi Sahab)
It all the more make sense as if it was all in numbers, anybody could pick up the number and say which is better. Everyone in this world would be buying the same damn system as the numbers say so. Every ear is different, their taste is different. So, the point is cables make the difference, but whether that cable is sounding good to you or not is for you to listen and decide.
square_wave
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Threads like these are the reasons why this forum is going nowhere when it comes to quality contributions.
The OP seeks something but the discussion goes into disparate directions and ends up in mud-slinging matches.
Quality moderation is sadly missing.
The OP seeks something but the discussion goes into disparate directions and ends up in mud-slinging matches.
Quality moderation is sadly missing.
In a way you are right. its the same discussion we all had very recently but got no where.... I guess there are unresolved issues that are transcending threads.. Heck, I cant even remember what we started discussing in the first place... me outta here.
koushik
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^^ OP wanted know what effect sound signature and we are putting our view on whether cables contribute to it or not. Anything wrong that we are doing?
square_wave
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The OP wanted a general opinion about what component contributes to sound signature ?To me, this is not a very open ended statement which can be interpreted into myriad topics. If the moderation lets it, then it will end up in meaningless discussions like what we are witnessing.
Most of the experienced folks on this forum have ceased to participate in meaningful discussions on the boards . They just pop in to offer tiny morsels of wisdom once in a while and then disappear. Discussions with many of them reveal that it is very difficult to conduct healthy discussions on the boards. They learn by their experience outside these boards but end up not sharing any of it here fearing verbal attacks or lack of respect by people who takes this hobby in a very casual manner.
Audio is Art and Science.
I have seen newbies who are probably one year into this hobby armed with a beginner system sarcastically challenging opinions by folks who are more than two decades into this wonderful hobby!
Solid state guys on a war path with tube guys!
Most importantly people pontificating opinions about gear or methods about which they have zero experience with!
Cable naysayers slinging mud on folks who are die hard cables believers since it makes a difference to them.
If people do not believe in something, then why do they participate in a thread which discusses such? What is the point?
If one has a different opinion about something, why cant it result in a healthy discussion rather than a mudslinging match which ends up nowhere?
Most of the experienced folks on this forum have ceased to participate in meaningful discussions on the boards . They just pop in to offer tiny morsels of wisdom once in a while and then disappear. Discussions with many of them reveal that it is very difficult to conduct healthy discussions on the boards. They learn by their experience outside these boards but end up not sharing any of it here fearing verbal attacks or lack of respect by people who takes this hobby in a very casual manner.
Audio is Art and Science.
I have seen newbies who are probably one year into this hobby armed with a beginner system sarcastically challenging opinions by folks who are more than two decades into this wonderful hobby!
Solid state guys on a war path with tube guys!
Most importantly people pontificating opinions about gear or methods about which they have zero experience with!
Cable naysayers slinging mud on folks who are die hard cables believers since it makes a difference to them.
If people do not believe in something, then why do they participate in a thread which discusses such? What is the point?
If one has a different opinion about something, why cant it result in a healthy discussion rather than a mudslinging match which ends up nowhere?
Well said. Let me take a sabbatical.
The difference between stupidity and genius is that the latter has limits. (Albert Einstein)
Enjoy the music.
murali
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