ST50 Owners' Thread - First impressions, Reviews, Tweaks, etc.

Ok. I went thru the thread on TeamBHP. A talk is going on about a group buy for 50ST50 for 85k. But there have been no confirmations of any kind, no delivery promise of any kind from any dealer, etc. Some members have expressed interest but a confirmed group or estimated number is not final.

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Got the 42ST50 yesterday (second piece after being given a pre-opened one which was replaced) and have started with watching some 1080p content along with the prep slides.
 
Got the 42ST50 yesterday (second piece after being given a pre-opened one which was replaced) and have started with watching some 1080p content along with the prep slides.

Congrats and welcome to the club. Prep/break-in slides are not very much required. I must have ran them for a max of 20 mins of total a accumulated time. Just be stingy with contrast and brightness settings and "Bob's your uncle".

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Is anyone using the ST50 through a Yamaha AVR? (AVR-HDMI-ST50) Even I'd like to buy one and apart from upgrading to full HD, the main purpose is to use it with my HTPC vide the above route. My current TV is 2008 Sony V series in which the picture spills over the borders of the TV when connected in the above manner. I'm hoping the new TV's will have the feature to correct the above.
 
ST50 has ARC on HDMI-2. So you can use it with any AVR with HDMI. Connect as follows:

DVDP/BDP/HTPC HDMI-Out ======> AVR (HDMI-In) <======> ST50 (HDMI-2)

For the picture spill, have you tried the proper settings on AVR and TV. Set the TV type to 16:9 and image aspect to "letterbox" (not "Pan & Scan").

HTH.
 
ST50 has ARC on HDMI-2. So you can use it with any AVR with HDMI. Connect as follows:

DVDP/BDP/HTPC HDMI-Out ======> AVR (HDMI-In) <======> ST50 (HDMI-2)

For the picture spill, have you tried the proper settings on AVR and TV. Set the TV type to 16:9 and image aspect to "letterbox" (not "Pan & Scan").

HTH.

Hi..I have seen a quote from you earlier that you use DLNA - can you explain in simple English how you do that, its importance/usage and whether I can do the same considering I only have a BB curve?
 
Hi..I have seen a quote from you earlier that you use DLNA - can you explain in simple English how you do that, its importance/usage and whether I can do the same considering I only have a BB curve?

First of all, DLNA is a handy as well as useless feature.

DLNA works using the home wifi network and can allow sharing of files over DLNA enabled devices. For example, I can stream video from my Samsung Galaxy S2 to ST50. I can do that with photos, music, files, etc., with other such dlna devices.

It is also useless because one could do this with usb drives also. Just that dlna is quick and handy. Of course network is required. But while streaming hd video, huge speed is required else video will stutter.

How to do this? Nothing difficult. First Tv must be connected to network. ST50 has built-in wireless but for XT50 a wireless dongle will be required. But all is not lost. You can connect by ethernet rj-45 cable also. For that the router must be nearby if you don't want people to trip on the cable. Configure the network settings on the tv. The manual will explain how.

Next do a network test to confirm that tv is indeed connected to network.

Now from your laptop that is also connected to the network, start windows media player. Enable media streaming in WMP. Google it to show how to. Now go to the media library and right click on a file. Select option 'Play to'. WMP will detect your tv automatically. Click on the tv. Tv will show a message briefly before starting to play video.

Now DLNA is useful to me for streaming those huge 3D rips from laptop because it takes ages for the tv to read the 1TB HDD. HTH.

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That was really useful. Thanks. So I guess my blackberry does not play any role in this. Please confirm the following:

(1) I already connected by BSNL router to my TV to test the Smart apps thru lan cable - so I am already connected I just need to configure the IP address on TV..right?

(2) Secondly my laptop uses wifi from the bsnl router - so If I follow the windows media player instructions and I can transfer videos from my laptop to the TV directly without any other cables in between?

(3) Also since this means I am bypassing my AVR - this means I get sound only my TV speakers?

(4) Also as long as I can play a file from my laptop - I can have it streamed to the TV via the router? file formats, file sizes...etc have no relevance as long as my laptop can play it?
 
That was really useful. Thanks. So I guess my blackberry does not play any role in this.
I think not.

(1) I already connected by BSNL router to my TV to test the Smart apps thru lan cable - so I am already connected I just need to configure the IP address on TV..right?
If you are able to browse the internet via smart apps such as favebook, etc., then there is no need of further configuration. Check whether TV is getting an IP address from the router. The router must be configured in PPPoE mode.

(2) Secondly my laptop uses wifi from the bsnl router - so If I follow the windows media player instructions and I can transfer videos from my laptop to the TV directly without any other cables in between?
Yes.

(3) Also since this means I am bypassing my AVR - this means I get sound only my TV speakers?
Yes.

(4) Also as long as I can play a file from my laptop - I can have it streamed to the TV via the router? file formats, file sizes...etc have no relevance as long as my laptop can play it?
Not exactly. TV must be able to play the same files (via USB). But since Panasonic TV supports most file formats, that should not be a problem.
 
Thanks..now I have done everything and when I right click on a file and choose the TV as PLAY TO - it opens a small window and is stuck at 00112 contacting media server - seems it is having some problem contacting..what wrong am I doing here?
 
Two points to make here

1) after almost 5 minutes of connecting, i was able to play a 40 second 1080p camcorder footage - does it do any spooling in this entire process? that can explain this 5 minute delay between me playing on laptop and it appearing on my tv screen? I hope internet is not involved in this entire process and the network is between the tv, router and laptop - reason I ask is say my 40 second footage was 100mb big....did it use internet for some reason and hence took 5 mins for 100mb? does not make sense - but just guessing the reasons for the 5 minute delay

2) other thing I found was on Viera tools - there is a media server option - there it recognizes my laptop and I was able to control my laptop using the TV remote - only issue here is that I do not see the file hierarchy like I see on windows explorer - the TV menu only has options like video, music ..etc and hence it does not show individual folders..but all videos of my laptop in one go..so controlling and scrolling is an issue if one has hundreds of videos
 
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Sorry abt the multiple posts..

1) I just confirmed that even for a 2 hour movie it still takes 5 minutes to connect - so its not instant - dont like it

2) Although I am happy that I learnt a new way of using my router - I think connecting my laptop to my AVR via HDMI is way better as I can use my speakers - even if I bump up the TV volume to 100% - it is not even near to my HT speakers.

3) guess next thing to do is how to control my laptop from my sofa when its connected to my avr via hdmi - I did download vectir software for my BB and installed it on my laptop also - but it was not controlling like it described in the manual - maybe the android phones are better at this thing...

4) Also another thing I posted in another post..my 2 TB hard drive has all the files since my laptop only has 350 gigs - is there anyway I can split the USB output of the HDD into two - one going into my WII - which it does today and another - just lying unused so that whenever I want to connect it to my laptop I can use....currently I have to unplug the USB cable from my WII and plug it to my laptop - just afraid that the USB cable can be damaged. If its USB 2 to USB 2 - I dont care coz I got plenty to spare...this one is USB 3 to USB 2 and may cost a bomb to buy again
 
Two points to make here

1) after almost 5 minutes of connecting, i was able to play a 40 second 1080p camcorder footage - does it do any spooling in this entire process? that can explain this 5 minute delay between me playing on laptop and it appearing on my tv screen? I hope internet is not involved in this entire process and the network is between the tv, router and laptop - reason I ask is say my 40 second footage was 100mb big....did it use internet for some reason and hence took 5 mins for 100mb? does not make sense - but just guessing the reasons for the 5 minute delay
I do not know. I cannot say. Internet is definitely not involved. Perhaps there is some encoding going on during the process. No duch delay for me. As I stated in my earlier post regarding streaming, WMP would not stream MKV to TV. I renamed them to AVI and then it worked. When I start streaming there is about a 1~2 seconds delay and then there is continuous streaming. There is some stutter which I attribute to bandwidth issues. When I play DViX AVIs, no issues with stutter, etc.

2) other thing I found was on Viera tools - there is a media server option - there it recognizes my laptop and I was able to control my laptop using the TV remote - only issue here is that I do not see the file hierarchy like I see on windows explorer - the TV menu only has options like video, music ..etc and hence it does not show individual folders..but all videos of my laptop in one go..so controlling and scrolling is an issue if one has hundreds of videos
Yes. That is the default behaviour. The TV is not a sophisticated in that way. Maybe future models will have more "smarter" features. Better to stream from PC to TV rather that use TV's media server.

Sorry abt the multiple posts..

1) I just confirmed that even for a 2 hour movie it still takes 5 minutes to connect - so its not instant - dont like it
I expect that it is basically encoding/decoding inside the TV. Try converting your video to DVix and then retry. I am not having that issue about AVI streamed directly.

2) Although I am happy that I learnt a new way of using my router - I think connecting my laptop to my AVR via HDMI is way better as I can use my speakers - even if I bump up the TV volume to 100% - it is not even near to my HT speakers.
Cannot compare TV speakers to HT. TV speakers are 1 cm or so deep and downfiring.

3) guess next thing to do is how to control my laptop from my sofa when its connected to my avr via hdmi - I did download vectir software for my BB and installed it on my laptop also - but it was not controlling like it described in the manual - maybe the android phones are better at this thing...
Correct.

4) Also another thing I posted in another post..my 2 TB hard drive has all the files since my laptop only has 350 gigs - is there anyway I can split the USB output of the HDD into two - one going into my WII - which it does today and another - just lying unused so that whenever I want to connect it to my laptop I can use....currently I have to unplug the USB cable from my WII and plug it to my laptop - just afraid that the USB cable can be damaged. If its USB 2 to USB 2 - I dont care coz I got plenty to spare...this one is USB 3 to USB 2 and may cost a bomb to buy again
You could do with a NAS drive that is connected to the network.
 
The 2012 Panasonic 3D glasses

As we all know, Panasonic plasma TV continues to be in the "Active 3D" camp. Enough has been written and said about Active 3D technology and glasses, pros and cons of active 3D, etc., so that nothing needs to be repeated here. I am writing my own impressions about the Panasonic 3D glasses.

The good: As many know, Panasonic introduced the universal RF based 3D glasses in 2012 TV models. These work on bluetooth instead of infra red. This improves the connectivity issues virtually eliminating the need for being within 30 to 45 from center. Then they are very light at about 23g or so. This does not present much issue while wearing them, even over prescription glasses. And because they are universal, they are compatible with any TV that supports universal active 3D.

The Bad: They are not compatible with the 2011 TV models and earlier but who cares? It is unlikely that someone owns a 2011 or earlier 3D TV as well as this one. But if you do, then that's fate. Next, these are very expensive. There is no official mention of the price but dealers quote Rs. 3500 or so for a pair. Amazon quotes $50 or so. These are outrageous prices considering that Samsung 3D glasses are just Rs. 1300 or $18~20. But I expect sanity to prevail and if not, one can always buy 3rd party glasses.

Now about the glasses themselves.

I received 2 pairs of TY-ER3D4MA glasses free. I suppose that the last character 'A' stands for 'Asia'. It is 'E' in Europe and 'U' in USA. These glasses do not have a rechargeable battery; instead they have a button cell inside. This is good and bad. Good because the rechargeable model will require electronics and Li-Ion battery that would have made the glasses heavier. Also Li-Ion battery would have started to deteriorate after 1000 charges or so and afterwards would have rendered the glasses useless. But 1000 charges is a pretty long time; about 3-4 years of life in my opinion. The bad about the non-rechargeable batteries is that every now and then it will mean an expense of Rs. 25 or so. The battery does not last long either. I used glasses to watch one movie for half the time and the battery indicator showed 75%. And also, the battery may just die during the middle of the movie. So a bit of advice - keep some spare ones handy.

They are quite flimsy. I suppose this was done to keep the weight low. But that does not inspire confidence. While hunting for the TV, I was looking at various TVs and the LG salesman showed the passive 3D glasses. He dropped them on purpose to show durability. Nothing happened. I will not dare to try this with the Panasonic glasses. And for heaven's sake, don't keep the glasses lying around on the sofa or bed, lest you sit on them accidentally.

While wearing them, they are not very clumsy or cumbersome. They fit on my prescription glasses well and I felt more comfortable wearing them than the one that they give at the local cinema. Because they were worn over my own glasses, they is some slight interference because of narrower viewable area but should not worry people not wearing glasses.

When it comes to performance, I suppose that they do their job OK enough. I used 3D rips to view 3D. I do not own original 3D stuff or a 3D BDP (as yet). So unless I try original stuff, it may not be fair to compare using "copied 3D rips". I did get tired of the 3D with the slight headache or more of a dizzy kind of a feeling. I did observe crosstalk but I will reserve my opinion till I can test with some original content. My latest order containing Hugo-3D is on the way and I am thinking of selling my free HT and buy a 3D BDP after paying difference if required.

On the whole, I am not impressed with the Panasonic 3D glasses and would rate then '2 out of 5' or maybe a '3'.
 
Anybody interested in a group buy 50ST50 ?. As indicated about team-bhp folks seems to have locked in at 85k, though not sure
 
Not sure if you travel south..if visiting Blore - please drop in and have a look at my TV and my Samsung glasses. As I have mentioned earlier, I downloaded a 11GB Hugo rip with DTS audio - and although I have seen the first 10 minutes some 10 times now -I am mightily impressed with 3D and DTS. Hopefully will watch the whole movie over the next two days
 
Yeah..now they all are universal standard. Yesterday finally managed to watch Hugo. Movie itself was so-so - slow moving with not a great story - guess scorsese trying to tell his life story types...but there were some really great 3D moments in the film. Although in some scenes I noticed lots of ghosting - guess thats cross talk. Not sure because I was watching a ripped version or whether its inherent in all 3d movies since I have seen lot many complaining in other forums. Good news is that I didnt get any headache and my head is now used to wearing 3D glasses
 
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