The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread!

[Dirac]

One would be fool to buy ST60 this one compared to f8500, F8500 performed better than ST60 and is in same price range during festive season. Plus Panasonic's customer support is pathetic, I'm waiting for refund on my GT50 since months now.. Don't follow western countries. We don't get same quality panels which are sold in America and We don't even get full range of plasma's by panasonic in India. So its better to buy Flagship model of Samsung at same price as of panasonic's basic model.

Well well well.
Actually indians are more mature than westeners. Thats why they end up buying a tv because 3d glasses are cheap!!!
Westeners wont bother whether there are some panel issues in some specific panels ,like in gt50.
Westeners are straight forward. They get impressed by PQ and go and buy the tv. Ofcourse they would be ready to lap up a new technology that may eventually come by and would upgrade to it very quickly,unlike we Indians who always think to stay with a tv for 10 years.
Thats exactly the reason that we indians get lot of jobs to develop new technology.
BTW why is it that we should lap up sammy when people are talking about judder and brightness pops?
If one does not care about those people then the specific issues of the specific gt50 panels also need not be worried about right?

 

[shanmune]

One would be fool to buy ST60 this one compared to f8500, F8500 performed better than ST60 and is in same price range during festive season. Plus Panasonic's customer support is pathetic, I'm waiting for refund on my GT50 since months now.. Don't follow western countries. We don't get same quality panels which are sold in America and We don't even get full range of plasma's by panasonic in India. So its better to buy Flagship model of Samsung at same price as of panasonic's basic model.

With lots of respect to you, I would like to put a different thought here. I don't think anyone of us can decide or judge other's preference for a particular model. Giving suggestions is okay, but we cannot say one to be a fool if he/she opts for a particular model over the other. Buyers are intelligent enough to choose what the best is for them and they may have other things in their mind in deciding what to choose. I welcome your above post and the opinion you have put, but I am also registering my opinion here and nothing more than that

 

[just4kix]

I don't understand why would Indian buyer even consider comparing or thinking about Kuro, elite and ZT60 when clearly they are not available in India. Last year VT50 wasn't launched in India and it will be probably same this year with 2013 Panasonic models. I think Indian buyer should be really practical and compare models available in India rather that what's available in America unless they plan on importing it Even for sake of knowledge panels sold in India are different than American Panels, so quality won't be same here anyways..

My thoughts exactly. Discussing which TV is the best is fine to an extent but after that it is plain immaturish. All this discussion whether Kuro is better or is there a Kuro killer today and whether Samsung F8500 is better than ZT60, etc. is kind of getting boring, repeatative, and allergic. Everybody has made their point. Please move on.

It will go lower than that near Diwali I think it will be a good buy at 160k-170k for 64" and 90k or under for 51" that is if it will be launched here.. with loads free goodies in festive offer I'm planning on buying it during that time too

That is a big myth (prices go down during Diwali). Prices of non-moving items go down in Diwali. Trust me. I had been hunting for more than two years before July last year. During Diwali, people get bonuses. It is also an auspicious time to buy new items. So people are in a mood to spend. Dealers announce big discounts on non-moving items to attract footfalls. But check the prices of top selling TVs (and other gadgets). They are the same. At most there will be some bundled offers (which are mostly 'bundle').

Well well well.
Actually indians are more mature than westeners. Thats why they end up buying a tv because 3d glasses are cheap!!!
Westeners wont bother whether there are some panel issues in some specific panels ,like in gt50.
Westeners are straight forward. They get impressed by PQ and go and buy the tv. Ofcourse they would be ready to lap up a new technology that may eventually come by and would upgrade to it very quickly,unlike we Indians who always think to stay with a tv for 10 years.
Thats exactly the reason that we indians get lot of jobs to develop new technology.
BTW why is it that we should lap up sammy when people are talking about judder and brightness pops?
If one does not care about those people then the specific issues of the specific gt50 panels also need not be worried about right?

That is a very presumptious statement to make. What makes you think that Indian buyers are more mature? Don't go by the forum members.

 

[longshanks]

My thoughts exactly. Discussing which TV is the best is fine to an extent but after that it is plain immaturish. All this discussion whether Kuro is better or is there a Kuro killer today and whether Samsung F8500 is better than ZT60, etc. is kind of getting boring, repeatative, and allergic. Everybody has made their point. Please move on.

So what you expect people to discuss in a thread named "The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread!" ? i am just curious.

I don't think sensible discussion related to the thread title is boring, what is boring is when a thread is dead and only has links of reviews where no discusses or post their findings but rather simply go with the flow of what ever is most popular,if there is no discussion then there no point in this threads existence.

What can be irritating is when some one starts to post Samsung plasma are the best on the planet in a thread titled as "Panasonic Plasma 2013" or vice versa.

calling the discussion on "whether Samsung F8500 is better than ZT60, etc. is kind of getting boring, repeatative, and allergic" ? i guess way too much negative words to describe something which had been discussed hardly in 20 posts.

 

[alljunkie]

Well well well.
Actually indians are more mature than westeners. Thats why they end up buying a tv because 3d glasses are cheap!!!
Westeners wont bother whether there are some panel issues in some specific panels ,like in gt50.
Westeners are straight forward. They get impressed by PQ and go and buy the tv. Ofcourse they would be ready to lap up a new technology that may eventually come by and would upgrade to it very quickly,unlike we Indians who always think to stay with a tv for 10 years.
Thats exactly the reason that we indians get lot of jobs to develop new technology.
BTW why is it that we should lap up sammy when people are talking about judder and brightness pops?
If one does not care about those people then the specific issues of the specific gt50 panels also need not be worried about right?

People who don't care about PQ goes for other Gimmicks and features, I care for PQ most hence I opted for GT50 as it was top most model available from Panasonic in India last year and reason I bought it is the reason I regret buying it today, Panel came with IR (seems like returned item), has all sort of screen uniformity issues and has DSE, WIFI won't work if pen drive is plugin when tv starts and many more problems, list is too long.. Also Panel is not same as Americans hence there are not much calibration settings available so PQ westerners enjoy we can't. So comparing what Americans do with their TVs and what we Indians do is Invalid here as product is not even same..

Telling me that westerners Don't bother with such issues and just goes with PQ, you are wrong there, I've complains regarding PQ only not other gimmicks if you go through GT50 thread on AVS you'll see how many of them returned it due to issues they faced. Yes they don't make big issue out of it as they have privilege minimum 30 day return policy which we Indians don't have so we can't take a 125k worth panel home to find out it is nothing but troublesome and guess what Panasonic's customer support is LEAST helpful. I'm waiting since more than 6 months for refund and yes their engineer agreed tv is faulty.

Regardless Indian or Westerners, besides rich people if you'll notice everyone says each year that their new plasma should last them till OLEDs get cheap. It clearly shows not everyone can afford to buy TV every next year or so.

Regarding Samsung's judder issue and brightness pop, I'm worried too and I've already mentioned it earlier in post earlier but Judder is only related to Blurays and can be solved by switching to cinema smooth mode, Brightness pop has been fixed with their latest 1013 FW update. Again its not sure if we indians will face same problems as panels are not same here and there.. I suggested Samsung after personal experience with Panasonic and after going through each and every aspect of ST60 and F8500 and comparing them. F8500 wins hands down given in mind they both will be sold in same price range in India..

I'm not favoring Samsung, I just suggest one should test their panel thoroughly before buying and not just that also should check how is after sales service of particular company.. Regardless how is PQ and reviews of tv is in westerner country.

PS: If you care about PQ and at same time GT50 IR issues, DSE and screen uniformity doesn't bother you, you're just contradicting your own statement..

With lots of respect to you, I would like to put a different thought here. I don't think anyone of us can decide or judge other's preference for a particular model. Giving suggestions is okay, but we cannot say one to be a fool if he/she opts for a particular model over the other. Buyers are intelligent enough to choose what the best is for them and they may have other things in their mind in deciding what to choose. I welcome your above post and the opinion you have put, but I am also registering my opinion here and nothing more than that

I agree with you that everyone is entitled to their opinion, we are here at forums to help each other in making right decision and to stop others from making wrong decision.. That's reason i said what I said up there, Its just to help other knows what they are opting for if they go with panasonic and how big mistake it can turn out to be. I'm current Panasonic owner and I'm talking from my own experience.. Of course I could look fool to someone who favors Panasonic but I won't be fooled by their PQ hype and 3 year warranty hype when tv which was delivered to me faulty and its taking months to resolve it..

 

[alljunkie]

That is a big myth (prices go down during Diwali). Prices of non-moving items go down in Diwali. Trust me. I had been hunting for more than two years before July last year. During Diwali, people get bonuses. It is also an auspicious time to buy new items. So people are in a mood to spend. Dealers announce big discounts on non-moving items to attract footfalls. But check the prices of top selling TVs (and other gadgets). They are the same. At most there will be some bundled offers (which are mostly 'bundle').

Last year near Diwali, Samsung E8000 was sold for Rs90k along with bundles and Plasma's are not fast moving items as Dealer themselves suggest buyers to go for LEDs than Plasmas there there will be discounts on Plasma always. If you notice 64" F8500 was launched at 209K and is already being sold for 185K pretty sure will go down further..

 

[alljunkie]

So what you expect people to discuss in a thread named "The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread!" ? i am just curious.

I don't think sensible discussion related to the thread title is boring, what is boring is when a thread is dead and only has links of reviews where no discusses or post their findings but rather simply go with the flow of what ever is most popular,if there is no discussion then there no point in this threads existence.

What can be irritating is when some one starts to post Samsung plasma are the best on the planet in a thread titled as "Panasonic Plasma 2013" or vice versa.

calling the discussion on "whether Samsung F8500 is better than ZT60, etc. is kind of getting boring, repeatative, and allergic" ? i guess way too much negative words to describe something which had been discussed hardly in 20 posts.

We should discuss about 2013 Plasmas available in India or will be available and about their performance and comparison between them, comparing models which are not available in India and will never be available in India sounds bit dumb to me.. just my 2 cents..

 

[longshanks]

F8500 is available in India,i personally know many people who own Kuro here in India(although it is not a 2013 tv it is always used as a reference when comparing any top end plasma).

We don't know yet if VT and ZT will be available in India and the discussion about them happened only when reviews of these televisions were posted.

But if you are going to discuss only about 2013 Plasma's available in India or even change the thread title to 2013 Plasma TV Available India Discussion Thread! no one is going to stop you.

 

[akasmarty2003]

F8500 is available in India,i personally know many people who own Kuro here in India(although it is not a 2013 tv it is always used as a reference when comparing any top end plasma).

We don't know yet if VT and ZT will be available in India and the discussion about them happened only when reviews of these televisions were posted.

But if you are going to discuss only about 2013 Plasma's available in India or even change the thread title to 2013 Plasma TV Available India Discussion Thread! no one is going to stop you.

(2013 Plasma TV Available India Discussion Thread!) :lol:

 

[just4kix]

So what you expect people to discuss in a thread named "The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread!" ? i am just curious.

I don't think sensible discussion related to the thread title is boring, what is boring is when a thread is dead and only has links of reviews where no discusses or post their findings but rather simply go with the flow of what ever is most popular,if there is no discussion then there no point in this threads existence.

What can be irritating is when some one starts to post Samsung plasma are the best on the planet in a thread titled as "Panasonic Plasma 2013" or vice versa.

calling the discussion on "whether Samsung F8500 is better than ZT60, etc. is kind of getting boring, repeatative, and allergic" ? i guess way too much negative words to describe something which had been discussed hardly in 20 posts.

I am not saying that people should not discuss new TVs - whether available or not available in India. Sure do mention good things but mention bad things as well. Basically, it is the rhetorical view "my opinion is more correct than yours" that is boring, repeatative, and allergic. BTW, this is not just 20 odd posts, it is over 140 posts ... and this same topic is being discussed in 2-3 threads if I am not mistaken.

Last year near Diwali, Samsung E8000 was sold for Rs90k along with bundles and Plasma's are not fast moving items as Dealer themselves suggest buyers to go for LEDs than Plasmas there there will be discounts on Plasma always. If you notice 64" F8500 was launched at 209K and is already being sold for 185K pretty sure will go down further..

Agreed. But this was just a one-off case. Samsung wanted to get rid of the stock of 51E8000 that no one was buying. Samsung retired that model. So this does not comply with the usual discounting schemes. Secondly you mentioned the 64F8500 launched at 209K and selling at 185K. I believe that 209K was (and still is) the MRP while 185K is the street retail price. A mark-off of 15-18% is quite normal, especially on big-ticket items. I am not saying that prices will never reduce in Diwali - they may and I will be very happy if they do. But what I am saying, "don't bet on it". I will give some examples:

- in 2010, I was looking at 50VT20, 46EX720, 50U20, etc. The prices never dipped during the festive season
- in 2011, new models were launched and they were more or less the same price as their predecessors
- again no significant dip in price during festive season
- ditto in 2012
- in 2012, a lot of FMs wanted to buy ST50 at sub 1 lakh during Diwali expecting a price mark down; some even started a "group buy" thread; what happened is that ST50 stocks weathered out
- even last year, I was advising the same thing - don't expect too much out of the festive season, if you have the money and the need, go and buy now

I purchased my own TV in July for 105K. Some people later got it slightly cheaper but I got a DMP-BDT220 BDP free with the package and that alone made my package worthwhile. So, I am not complaining. In fact, it makes me sad that so many lost an opportunity to buy this gem of a TV.

 

[akasmarty2003]

LG is going to launch OLED in india. is anyone interested? LG India announces OLED TVs, Optimus G Pro launch - Times Of India

 

[Dirac]

LG is going to launch OLED in india. is anyone interested? LG India announces OLED TVs, Optimus G Pro launch - Times Of India

I just want to know once for all whether oleds can give the deep blacks of the reference plasmas like zt60 or f8500?

 

[akasmarty2003]

I just want to know once for all whether oleds can give the deep blacks of the reference plasmas like zt60 or f8500?

while we dont have any complete review the makers (LG & sammy) claims that this thing can disappear in dark, now even kuro is visible in complete darkness when the screen is blank.

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

Re: The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread! [Updated with Information]

Panasonic plasma and Sony lcd hardly slash their prices. Though sometimes it rains a fortune like the 50VT20 for 75K.

Why do you want tv to disappear in dark? Even the best plasmas may not.

 

[vakharia]

Re: The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread! [Updated with Information]

Panasonic plasma and Sony lcd hardly slash their prices. Though sometimes it rains a fortune like the 50VT20 for 75K.

Why do you want tv to disappear in dark? Even the best plasmas may not.

I certainly would not like my TV to disappear in the dark since it would be placed on a table next to the balcony exit. Imagine someone new to the house just dashing against it in the dark. So, I hope that this feature is limited to one or two models only - because the list of high-end plasma available in India is very short to begin with.

Those staying in Delhi, please contact your Regional Manager (Panasonic) and ask about the launch that was planned to happen on 12 May (Sunday).
Perhaps you might get an invite to attend the launch party or conference?

 

[akasmarty2003]

shaiju & vakharia no ofence but you guys make me laugh

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

Re: The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread! [Updated with Information]

No offence taken

 

[shaiju_o_thomas]

Re: The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread! [Updated with Information]

Ah. I see why it's funny now that I read my post.

 

[longshanks]

"my opinion is more correct than yours" that is boring, repeatative, and allergic. BTW, this is not just 20 odd posts, it is over 140 posts ... and this same topic is being discussed in 2-3 threads if I am not mistaken.

"my opinion is more correct than yours" i guess we are all victims of that habit aren't we? we been discussing F8800 VS ZT VS kuro on 140 posts? wow! that is a long discussion then

 

[alljunkie]

I purchased my own TV in July for 105K. Some people later got it slightly cheaper but I got a DMP-BDT220 BDP free with the package and that alone made my package worthwhile. So, I am not complaining. In fact, it makes me sad that so many lost an opportunity to buy this gem of a TV.

You bought ST50 for 105k? I bought GT50 for that price.. ST50 was sold for 90-95k from every dealer..