2011 Samsung Plasma 3D PS51D550

guys m looking to buy a new TV.

a little background.

I watch my movies on the projector setup and this new TV will be used in my bedroom. I will be using it only to watch F1, Tennis, Football, other sports and HD channels.

So i had a few doubts...

1. Should i be looking at a Plasma or a Led/Lcd ?

2. Since i'm not going to be watching any movies on the new TV are Black Levels going to be important for me ?

Because if Black Levels are going to be important for my situation then i'll try to secure a Panasonic 50V20 or else i'll look at this Samsung PS51D550 which seems to be quite popular here.

Thanks,

Rana
 
For sports Plasma, definitely. Plasma's are generally very quick to react to motion. LCD tend to smugde the image.

As for which plasma, It depends on how much are you willing to compromise (from wallet vs from visual PQ).

Samsung has good black levels, and good PQ overall. But V20 is a much superior panel, but at a cost. Also in terms of Features samsung is a better panel.

V20's are quite renowned for their cinema like panels, with options to turn off all visual processing to get close to cinema. But for your requirements, you will need quite the opposite. Sports generally enjoy from all the motion smoothing and color improvement systems, which of Samsung is superior.

So for your needs, Samsung panel should be better.
By the way, you may not want to place your plasma opposite to windows. Plasma's are glass panels. They tend to reflect a lot of light ( V20 has a black filter to reduce the reflection, Samsung doesn't have any). But you need to consider this issue ONLY if you have direct sunlight in your bedroom and you are not willing to pull dark curtains while watching on the plasma.

guys m looking to buy a new TV.

a little background.

I watch my movies on the projector setup and this new TV will be used in my bedroom. I will be using it only to watch F1, Tennis, Football, other sports and HD channels.

So i had a few doubts...

1. Should i be looking at a Plasma or a Led/Lcd ?

2. Since i'm not going to be watching any movies on the new TV are Black Levels going to be important for me ?

Because if Black Levels are going to be important for my situation then i'll try to secure a Panasonic 50V20 or else i'll look at this Samsung PS51D550 which seems to be quite popular here.

Thanks,

Rana
 
reup

You can say quite the same thing about Apple.
unlike the common notion, ipod is not the best portable music device. iphone4 is NOT the fastest or even smoothest smart phone. But they sell quite well, inspite of pricing it higher.

It is not entirely true though. Panasonic do sell some of their normal panels at good rates in India (X U). However their "NeoPDP" panels do cost a premium, because they are some of the best panels on the planet, what many videophiles consider to be the next best thing to Kuro. And ST, GT and VT more or less share the same panel, save for a better filter on VT (GT and ST share the exact same panel, but no THX on ST ofcourse).
But as I have said before, This TV is 10k over priced. I believe they should sell it at around 60k. This TV, however will never be a 50k Tv (unless ofcourse this becomes the outgoing model, like the V series, which many had for bargain prices!).


And besides, do we have a choice in 42 inches from Samsung or LG? last i checked there was not even 1 Full HD panel from them. They sell 5 and 6 series at these sizes in the rest of the world. But not in India, why? I would have loved to pick up a 6 series 42" panel from samsung. Samsung thinks that all video lovers will pick up 64". Even though they have only 8-feet viewing distance :rolleyes:

Ultimately, we form a minority group in this country that has salesman saying that we need to recharge the Gas in plasma ever 2 years, and that Plasma is "Outdated" technology and what not. Some of them claim that viewing angles of plasma is very less in comparison with LCD. So all my relatives and friends still look at me and think "This guy is crazy" for picking up plasmas (This is my second plasma).


Enough of Rands, All I can say is, I can understand your pain. And amongst all this chaos, I believe PS51D550 is the most sensibly priced.
But since I had to go for a 42inch (Room size constraints), its either I go for yet another 720p panel, or go LCD (EEEKS!!!) or go to panasonic.
Everyone is fleecing us. Panasonic a bit more. But hey, its an amazing panel :)


Anyways, we have moved far far away from the core topic. Lets not hijack this thread ;).

I wouldn't like to diverge much from the topic at the thread & i of course do appreciate ur points but to an extent. Yes,u r right that sammy or lg doesn't offer a 42"Fhd pdp in india & that's a big loophole in mkting. of their pdp range for the average indian joe who mightNOT always like to go BIG (50"+) for their HDtv.Take my instance,i upgraded from a 40" fhd lcd & was seeking something better in around the same size (& as like u,lcd's eekeed me out,u will find it in another thread),so i had to look for plasmas only, & let me tell u,i began the hunt with the Panasonic 42"v20d(st30 Not yet launched then).After almost zeroing on the 42" ,i got the news that Panasonic locally had ran out of stock with 42"v20d & after much pursuit & asking their higher ups about availability,the best they were Non committal about anynew stock They told the v20d has ben discontinued & if i wanted i can buy the 50v20d for nearly 1lk,which was immediately available(in stock) but i simply couldn't afford, being the average joe! Still i waited for sometime in constant pursuance of getting a 42v20 from somewhere but all in vain & ending up in frustration!...........Meanwhile Samsung launched their new pdps & i got to see the 51D550 in action.For me,this appeared just the saviour,just the kind of tv i was looking for & my decision was probably immediately made in favour of the d550..The pictures & colours,in whole the complete package of getting such a BIG tv at such down to earth prices,particularly comparing to panasonic ,left me with no better choice than picking up a 51 d550! It was a 9 inch bigger panel than the 42"v20d with almost the same prices only at slightly inferior black levels.But with much better picture processing,feature packed,particularly having a full inbuilt media player & inbuilt 3d & extremely sleek looks seemed to me a much better value & hence a instant choice.I also can honestly say u this,that viewing a large FHD tv of over 50"screen estate has so much more visual impact than a smaller 42"fhd tv, the positive difference makes up more than the subtle differences one can find in p.q with the v20d. So, having purchased the tv,& being truly happy with its superlative picture & the features it has, i an assuredly say u , i am least bit regretful of Not having bought a Panasonic "neopdp"& am extremely happy with my purchase!If any Panny ST/GT can be compared to VT, I think Sammy D550 can equally be compared to the D8000,the Best Plasma for 2011 so far.I would also like to add in that Samsung globally has outsold more pdp's than panasonic-the plasma mkt. so far in 2011, so there is a definite trend of change & perception in different spheres i presume.

The other question is why No 42"Fhd from samsung yet, i feel that if they indeed launch one, their core business of 40 "Fhd lcd/led tv would be directly hit(pricewise)!.... still sammy launching a 42"fhd pdp would have been the right step,since it would given a direct head on competition to panasonic 42"pdp's,created a level playing field & a choice for those opting for the smaller sized fhd pdp's ,therby helped in brining the panny pdp tv prices to Realistic levels! Indian junta are also becoming intelligent purchasers & no one likes to be milked for buying any product that comes with a tag of uberness but of 0 practical value!.I am Not discrediting Panasonic for anything,their flagship neopdps are still perhaps the best,...but when their lesser models of st/gt series of smaller sizes cost more than the bigger sized pdp's of the competition in the same segment, i'm honestly ridiculed!


Also,majority of Tv salesman just simply speaking bakwas about Plasma tv & painting a catastrophe about buying a pdp ,i fairly squarely pin that to utter callousness & ineptitude of the plasma manufacturers & No strategy of creating new customers or retaining olones.I honestly dont know what their pr teams does Or what strategies they have to reach out to peoples, who are thinking about getting their next best hd tv.Panasonic being the plasma leader should bore the brunt of doing such reckless non-motivated business of their brilliant pdps & it irks me the most,when they hardly put any promotion & Adv. of their pdp's but does so regularly for their Lcd range with full page advs.Unless there were the interweb & forums like this, many of the average joes would have hardly known, that Plasma tv are still being made, perhaps pansonic makes them a lot better..& the Grand fact that Plasma Tv's are the Best of the Tv's there are.

I'm just left wondering how the indian pdp mkt goes on with such complacency & so many customers r bereift of the better technology at the whims & profit plans of this big corporations...& as a yet another average indian joe,i think,...are we always to be taken for granted?



I am Not a Big thinker,i spoke out of my mind & mayb some ignorance, but everything candid!
 
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Buddy, I feel your pain, This is my second plasma. So I have been exposed to the general ignorance twice.
Anyways to each to its own :) I love my new panel, So do you. If you really like your panel, who can say otherwise ? ;)



I wouldn't like to diverge much from the topic at the thread & i of course do appreciate ur points but to an extent. Yes,u r right that sammy or lg doesn't offer a 42"Fhd pdp in india & that's a big loophole in mkting. of their pdp range for the average indian joe who mightNOT always like to go BIG (50"+) for their HDtv.Take my instance,i upgraded from a 40" fhd lcd & was seeking something better in around the same size (& as like u,lcd's eekeed me out,u will find it in another thread),so i had to look for plasmas only, & let me tell u,i began the hunt with the Panasonic 42"v20d(st30 Not yet launched then).After almost zeroing on the 42" ,i got the news that Panasonic locally had ran out of stock with 42"v20d & after much pursuit & asking their higher ups about availability,the best they were Non committal about anynew stock They told the v20d has ben discontinued & if i wanted i can buy the 50v20d for nearly 1lk,which was immediately available(in stock) but i simply couldn't afford, being the average joe! Still i waited for sometime in constant pursuance of getting a 42v20 from somewhere but all in vain & ending up in frustration!...........Meanwhile Samsung launched their new pdps & i got to see the 51D550 in action.For me,this appeared just the saviour,just the kind of tv i was looking for & my decision was probably immediately made in favour of the d550..The pictures & colours,in whole the complete package of getting such a BIG tv at such down to earth prices,particularly comparing to panasonic ,left me with no better choice than picking up a 51 d550! It was a 9 inch bigger panel than the 42"v20d with almost the same prices only at slightly inferior black levels.But with much better picture processing,feature packed,particularly having a full inbuilt media player & inbuilt 3d & extremely sleek looks seemed to me a much better value & hence a instant choice.I also can honestly say u this,that viewing a large FHD tv of over 50"screen estate has so much more visual impact than a smaller 42"fhd tv, the positive difference makes up more than the subtle differences one can find in p.q with the v20d. So, having purchased the tv,& being truly happy with its superlative picture & the features it has, i an assuredly say u , i am least bit regretful of Not having bought a Panasonic "neopdp"& am extremely happy with my purchase!If any Panny ST/GT can be compared to VT, I think Sammy D550 can equally be compared to the D8000,the Best Plasma for 2011 so far.I would also like to add in that Samsung globally has outsold more pdp's than panasonic-the plasma mkt. so far in 2011, so there is a definite trend of change & perception in different spheres i presume.

The other question is why No 42"Fhd from samsung yet, i feel that if they indeed launch one, their core business of 40 "Fhd lcd/led tv would be directly hit(pricewise)!.... still sammy launching a 42"fhd pdp would have been the right step,since it would given a direct head on competition to panasonic 42"pdp's,created a level playing field & a choice for those opting for the smaller sized fhd pdp's ,therby helped in brining the panny pdp tv prices to Realistic levels! Indian junta are also becoming intelligent purchasers & no one likes to be milked for buying any product that comes with a tag of uberness but of 0 practical value!.I am Not discrediting Panasonic for anything,their flagship neopdps are still perhaps the best,...but when their lesser models of st/gt series of smaller sizes cost more than the bigger sized pdp's of the competition in the same segment, i'm honestly ridiculed!


Also,majority of Tv salesman just simply speaking bakwas about Plasma tv & painting a catastrophe about buying a pdp ,i fairly squarely pin that to utter callousness & ineptitude of the plasma manufacturers & No strategy of creating new customers or retaining olones.I honestly dont know what their pr teams does Or what strategies they have to reach out to peoples, who are thinking about getting their next best hd tv.Panasonic being the plasma leader should bore the brunt of doing such reckless non-motivated business of their brilliant pdps & it irks me the most,when they hardly put any promotion & Adv. of their pdp's but does so regularly for their Lcd range with full page advs.Unless there were the interweb & forums like this, many of the average joes would have hardly known, that Plasma tv are still being made, perhaps pansonic makes them a lot better..& the Grand fact that Plasma Tv's are the Best of the Tv's there are.

I'm just left wondering how the indian pdp mkt goes on with such complacency & so many customers r bereift of the better technology at the whims & profit plans of this big corporations...& as a yet another average indian joe,i think,...are we always to be taken for granted?



I am Not a Big thinker,i spoke out of my mind & mayb some ignorance, but everything candid!




*Extremely sorry to prankey for taking up so much space in yours best buy thread.I needed to vent out some air & tell my side of story or as i see it!
...sorrypal, hope u understand :)
 
This weekend, I promise :)

Give me some time to get used to it.

In a nutshell,
Great contrast and color def.
Beautiful pictures.
Motion smoothing features sort of sucks, not my thing though (Not the first time Im exposed to this sort of technology, I never did like it). Those who love these features may not want this panel, doesnt do it well.
 
Guys, can any one shed some more light on the reflectiveness of the panel?
Have heard many negative feedbacks on that on avsforum (some ppl even replaced it due to that)
I m looking to buy this and wanted to be sure (My windows are to the right of the TV, not facing the TV nor behind it)
 
Most budget plasma panels are reflective. LG is even worse. If you are really concerned about reflection , you have two options.

Buy this TV and spend some money on darkening your room..

Or

Buy a plasma with comes with pro black panel. (Panny VT30 )

:)
 
Not yet, if you are willing to control the lighting in your room go for samsung . It is best buy in that price. You can use the dynamic mode in bright conditions. :)
 
In my case I have window panes bang opposite the tv placement,but I have used a dark brown paper to cover the window panes and it's taken care of the reflective issues.
I still feel that at this value of approx Rs 65000 getting a 2011 plasma model of 51 inches is indeed VfM.cheers
 
even if the VT30 available,the real question will be can we really afford it?.... afait,those looking at d550 are NOT customers of VT30,vice-versa.One thing which should be quite clear for everyone looking on buying a plasma,whether it be the topend or the lowest budget plasma tv, allof them has got a glass cover,& as it is glass being reflective, all plasma tv will be reflective, the amount of reflection being variable.in inverse proportion to cost of
the tv!

As for reflectiveness of d550, the panel does NOT come with any AR coat & will be somewhat reflective in "BRIGHT"environments/tv showrooms ,mayb comparing to v20d, but in Normal Home lightning conditions, i honestly don't feel any such BIG issues of reflection & is very much passable with Excellent picture rendetion & distortion free viewing!But it is in Night times/darker environments that the tv really excels!

u can read my 51d550 insta review here >http://www.hifivision.com/television/17478-2011-samsung-plasma-3d-ps51d550-34.html#post254022

Hope,ths might Help! :)
 
Yeah...now when I revisit the thought, it does not seem like a major issue; even if it IS, we can always control the brightness of the room :)

Thanks guys, I had already decided to go for D550 but just wanted a little more feedback on the glare part.
 
By the way , for the benefit of those who want to know about the filters that are present on some of the plasma panels.

neither V20 (The Indian version was shipped without one of the elements of the filter, hence called as inifinite black instead of infinite black pro), nor ST30 (panasonic) Reduce reflections. What they do, however, is to reduce washout of the panel due to bright lights hitting the panel.
In my house, I have some sources of light that cast indirect light onto the panel. It was never too bothersome (with my previous main room plasma, that had no filter). But it did affect the colors a bit and contrast used to take a slight hit. With my ST30, that problem is now solved.

Also, ST30 filters Will not work if you have an opposite window at TV level, or a wall that reflects back light at TV level, since the Filter is designed to allow light at eye level. What it will filter out is any source of light falls on the panel at 30 degrees or above. So overhead lights will not affect the contrast of the panel.
VT30 and GT30 has an anti-reflective coating too (besides the above mentioned filter).

In Samsung, 8 series Plasma has some of the best anti-reflective coatings. But there has been reports of the filters peeling in 2010. Don't know about 2011 models (But going by samsung's track record, they should have fixed it). Not too sure about 7 Series though ( I believe even they have anti-reflective coating, but not available in India).

All in all, If you can really control the lighting on your panel and/or if you like to watch movies in pitch dark, these filters offer little or no benefits.

And, by the way, I'm not getting into price debate. This was purely technical, for the folks who are considering various panels for their features, and get their expectations right.

Enjoy folks :)
 
Hi guys,

A sad thing happened to my TV...From second day onwards, a black vertical line of hair line thickness started appearing on my TV at almost quarter of the screen size from the right.
The samsung service engineer inspected and said it is a panel problem and told me that the TV would be replaced as soon as possible...

Otherwise the TV is awesome.....

Thanks

Hi friends,

I got my new replacement TV on thursday and it looks good...It took around 8days for the replacement which I reckon is pretty fast...

Thanks..
 
Can anyone pls do 3D capabilities review of 51D550
Please can anyone post a thorough review of 3D on 51D550!
----- Important details----
1) 3D bluray playback
2) SBS mkv movie playback (also try stuff with 10Mbps+ bit rate)
3) 3D gaming with PS3
4) 3D gaming with PC using nvidia 3DTV Play software

Please honestly tell how it performs. Also is there any eye strain with continuous 3D usage. Is there crosstalk or flicker, if yes then to what extent??

Review from guys who already have bought the TV will be very helpful on this regard. Thanks
 
Dude we are into second generation of 3D. So expect some issues.
I have Vt30, but 3d performance is quite comparable with d550
Cross-talk is a lot less on these tvs, especially plasmas. Having said that, during my gaming session, I noticed some cross-talk in bright areas (Crysis 2 - ps3). However for content like images (ps3 - playmemories) I did not notice any crosstalk.
There is a definite strain. I dont think I will be able to game/view for over 90mins - 180 mins. Regular watching can be for hours and hours on end.
There is another factor, when you wear these glasses, there is significant reduction in brightness. To compensate TV jacks up the brightness, In the process losing whatever calibration you have done with the tv (No separate settings menu for 3d). So its either 3d with slightly inaccurate colors or 2d with good color definition and black levels.

So my honest advice is to consider 3d as a feature that you use occasionally not frequently.

BTW, owners of D550, Do you have an option set what 3d content are you watching, like side-by-side, top and bottom or interleaved?

Can anyone pls do 3D capabilities review of 51D550
Please can anyone post a thorough review of 3D on 51D550!
----- Important details----
1) 3D bluray playback
2) SBS mkv movie playback (also try stuff with 10Mbps+ bit rate)
3) 3D gaming with PS3
4) 3D gaming with PC using nvidia 3DTV Play software

Please honestly tell how it performs. Also is there any eye strain with continuous 3D usage. Is there crosstalk or flicker, if yes then to what extent??

Review from guys who already have bought the TV will be very helpful on this regard. Thanks
 
guys is any one aware of a shop/showroom in Delhi where i can compare the Samsung D550 vs Panasonic X,U,ST series side by side ?

Thanks.
 
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