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new subwoofer help
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hardcore_gamer99
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denon x4800hWhich avr you have?
hardcore_gamer99
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Hi can you tell while adjusting phase where do i put my mobile to run sound meter appThese settings will always apply. Will not only apply in pure direct mode i guess.
THere if we dont set crossover of front to full range the bass wont be played.
If you are worried full range might hurt the speaker, then use the distribution setting to -20db. This distribution will reduce the amount of LFE going to front speakers. In the distribution setting on the bottom of the screen its mentioned what it does.
If we dont set front to full range those frequency will not reach subwoofer (LFE+main).
And you will be keep posting without a solution. Beating around the bush
This speaker most definitely will not play full range.i have dali opticon 2 mk2 with range 59hz-25000hz
The point I am trying to make is that, for a beginner like you, it is always better to fully understand what each and every setting that you are using does, read up as much as you can on the net and initially try the settings advocated by Audyssey in their site, which is https://ask.audyssey.com/hc/en-us. Make sure that you read each and every line of Audyssey 101.
Once you have set this up, listen to it for a while, even for a month or so. Only after this, if you feel you need more bass or such, then you should be changing the settings to your preference and not before that. Of course, needless to say, this is my opinion.
Bass as imagined by a beginner is totally different from what seasoned listeners expect from Bass. If you set your system right, a car door closing will sound like a car door closing. If you want the car door closing to sound like a bomb going off, then it is your preference and you can make it sound so by tweaking the settings later on.
The Blu-ray of Spectre that you have is a good one to test bass. I have the Blue-ray too. The opening scene where the building collapses is a scary scene. At reference volumes, it might give a person with a weak heart, a heart attack !!!!
In this scene, when the building falls, I go "Oh my !!! the building is falling ...!!!" If you go "Oh my !!! My sub is playing ... !!!" then you still might have some work to do.
If I am not mistaken, he is talking of setting LPF to 80 as a compromise between 5.1 movies and 5.1 music where he says that 5.1 music sounds better with LPF to 80.
I would still set it to 120 Hz as I don't listen to 5.1 music. Good to know though, thanks.
What audyssey labs say:
https://ask.audyssey.com/hc/en-us/articles/212347523-Bass-Management-and-LFE-NOT-the-same-thing
Audyssey LabsNovember 03, 2009 04:20
If you have a subwoofer in your system, you should always use bass management in the AVR. Unfortunately this is not always the default setting and several manufacturers still insist on setting speakers to “Large” or “Full Range”. Doing so will prevent bass from being redirected to your subwoofer from the satellite channels. Audyssey recommends to manually change all speakers to “Small” (i.e. set a crossover frequency for each speaker in the manual settings menu) thus enabling proper bass management. This has the additional benefit of much better low frequency correction because MultEQ uses filters with 8x more resolution in the subwoofer channel. More information about this can be found on our blog post here.
The LFE signal and the bass management crossover are two different things.
The crossover is responsible for taking the bass from the speakers and sending it to the subwoofer. That should be set at around the frequency where your speakers are no longer able to reproduce bass. This is called the crossover frequency.
In 5.1 content, there is an additional bass-only track called the LFE track. This is not played from the main speakers, but only from the subwoofer. This track is authored to have content up to 120 Hz and so the filter in the AVR called LFE Lowpass should be set to 120 Hz. Always. It is a mistake for AVR makers to even make this an option as it has nothing to do with bass management.
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hardcore_gamer99
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in this building falling scene my subwoofer has distortion its not deep smooth bass. now what to do?This speaker most definitely will not play full range.
The point I am trying to make is that, for a beginner like you, it is always better to fully understand what each and every setting that you are using does, read up as much as you can on the net and initially try the settings advocated by Audyssey in their site, which is https://ask.audyssey.com/hc/en-us. Make sure that you read each and every line of Audyssey 101.
Once you have set this up, listen to it for a while, even for a month or so. Only after this, if you feel you need more bass or such, then you should be changing the settings to your preference and not before that. Of course, needless to say, this is my opinion.
Bass as imagined by a beginner is totally different from what seasoned listeners expect from Bass. If you set your system right, a car door closing will sound like a car door closing. If you want the car door closing to sound like a bomb going off, then it is your preference and you can make it sound so by tweaking the settings later on.
The Blu-ray of Spectre that you have is a good one to test bass. I have the Blue-ray too. The opening scene where the building collapses is a scary scene. At reference volumes, it might give a person with a weak heart, a heart attack !!!!
In this scene, when the building falls, I go "Oh my !!! the building is falling ...!!!" If you go "Oh my !!! My sub is playing ... !!!" then you still might have some work to do.
hardcore_gamer99
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no lpf is default at 120hz i was talking only about lfe crossIf I am not mistaken, he is talking of setting LPF to 80 as a compromise between 5.1 movies and 5.1 music where he says that 5.1 music sounds better with LPF to 80.
I would still set it to 120 Hz as I don't listen to 5.1 music. Good to know though, thanks.
What audyssey labs say:
https://ask.audyssey.com/hc/en-us/articles/212347523-Bass-Management-and-LFE-NOT-the-same-thing
Audyssey LabsNovember 03, 2009 04:20
If you have a subwoofer in your system, you should always use bass management in the AVR. Unfortunately this is not always the default setting and several manufacturers still insist on setting speakers to “Large” or “Full Range”. Doing so will prevent bass from being redirected to your subwoofer from the satellite channels. Audyssey recommends to manually change all speakers to “Small” (i.e. set a crossover frequency for each speaker in the manual settings menu) thus enabling proper bass management. This has the additional benefit of much better low frequency correction because MultEQ uses filters with 8x more resolution in the subwoofer channel. More information about this can be found on our blog post here.
The LFE signal and the bass management crossover are two different things.
The crossover is responsible for taking the bass from the speakers and sending it to the subwoofer. That should be set at around the frequency where your speakers are no longer able to reproduce bass. This is called the crossover frequency.
In 5.1 content, there is an additional bass-only track called the LFE track. This is not played from the main speakers, but only from the subwoofer. This track is authored to have content up to 120 Hz and so the filter in the AVR called LFE Lowpass should be set to 120 Hz. Always. It is a mistake for AVR makers to even make this an option as it has nothing to do with bass management.
Main listening position.Hi can you tell while adjusting phase where do i put my mobile to run sound meter app
hardcore_gamer99
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bwfore buying acoustic foam can you tell where do i put pillows to try it?Main listening position.
Before buying accoustic foam, basics need to be sorted. Accoustic foam will suckout some power.bwfore buying acoustic foam can you tell where do i put pillows to try it?
when there is a lot of power - like more than the room can handle- like booming sound- well the situation now is lack of bass- so then we need to do 'first thing first'
After basics sorted then we might get idea where and what is getting reflected to add accoustic foam
It could mean so many things. Sub too loud, Sub in a null place, phase problems etc. What I would suggest is that you read up on the material that I have provided till Saturday. On Saturday, pick a good place for the sub. I would prefer sub closer to the speakers and sub not placed under tables or into any enclosures. Run Audyssey as suggested, set speakers to small, crossover to 80 LFE to LFE, turn dynamic EQ on and then listen for a week. After a week, get back to us and let us know how your setup is working. If you are going to change anything, change only one thing at a time and then give it a long listen. Play many movies and music to test the system. If you set your sub right, the bass should feel like it is coming from the speakers and not the sub. For music, the sub should not be heard but missed if turned off.in this building falling scene my subwoofer has distortion its not deep smooth bass. now what to do?
Also, later when you get back to us, do let us know what other speakers you have in your setup. configuration for two channel playback and movie playback can differ a little and hence two separate options in your receiver.
But remember, there is only so much any member can do if you don't do your homework and read up on the settings.
An example of music that has deep room filling bass. Also, I forgot to mention earlier, Under Audio Settings, Surround Parameter, if Loudness Management is on, turn it off. If Eco is On, turn it off, If 4 Ohm switch or setting is enabled, turn it off or set it to 8 ohm irrespective of your speaker impedence. Turn dynamic eq on. If you have only two speakers and a sub, in music set your option to Stereo.
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hardcore_gamer99
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when i did sub crawl i did put the sub on floor and not the chair. So i was getting deeep bass when i crawled but when i put sub there it was NOT that same deepness may be will put the sub on chair itself this will be 4th time and now the last time this subwoofer crawl. Once i feel i have given 100% sub crawl then i will fix that position forever rhen move on to other things. And yes in my setup i have dali otpticon 2 as fronts 1 subwoofer denon x4800h panasonic ub820 and sonly oled thats all.It could mean so many things. Sub too loud, Sub in a null place, phase problems etc. What I would suggest is that you read up on the material that I have provided till Saturday. On Saturday, pick a good place for the sub. I would prefer sub closer to the speakers and sub not placed under tables or into any enclosures. Run Audyssey as suggested, set speakers to small, crossover to 80 LFE to LFE, turn dynamic EQ on and then listen for a week. After a week, get back to us and let us know how your setup is working. If you are going to change anything, change only one thing at a time and then give it a long listen. Play many movies and music to test the system. If you set your sub right, the bass should feel like it is coming from the speakers and not the sub. For music, the sub should not be heard but missed if turned off.
Also, later when you get back to us, do let us know what other speakers you have in your setup. configuration for two channel playback and movie playback can differ a little and hence two separate options in your receiver.
But remember, there is only so much any member can do if you don't do your homework and read up on the settings.
"the bass should feel like it is coming from the speakers and not the sub"- this is the issue bass feels only coming from subwoofer. dynamic eq multiqx32 all are on. there is no option to set speakers as small after latest firmware. Its only FULL/40/60/70/80/90 etc hz. I think i should get lfe+mains a try once. while cross at 80
hardcore_gamer99
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ONE MORE THING IS THERE IS BIG PC TABLE LYING JUST TO LEFT WALL. i am getting rid of it soon so will have more space to test sub crawl also i need your help in wall mount
Let's start slow. Set fronts to 80 and LFE to LFE. Next step will be to change the crossover to 90 and 70 and check. Even if this is not satisfactory, then we can do Full range and LFE + main and try. Don't do it now though. Do all the other settings that I have mentioned above first.when i did sub crawl i did put the sub on floor and not the chair. So i was getting deeep bass when i crawled but when i put sub there it was NOT that same deepness may be will put the sub on chair itself this will be 4th time and now the last time this subwoofer crawl. Once i feel i have given 100% sub crawl then i will fix that position forever rhen move on to other things. And yes in my setup i have dali otpticon 2 as fronts 1 subwoofer denon x4800h panasonic ub820 and sonly oled thats all.
"the bass should feel like it is coming from the speakers and not the sub"- this is the issue bass feels only coming from subwoofer. dynamic eq multiqx32 all are on. there is no option to set speakers as small after latest firmware. Its only FULL/40/60/70/80/90 etc hz. I think i should get lfe+mains a try once. while cross at 80
(The effect of LFE + mains is only if you set the mains to full range but let's not do that now)
Try listening to your speakers in pure direct mode. This will play full range into the speakers without the sub when the LFE setting is LFE. If set to LFE + main, the sub will play in pure direct. In this mode, your AVR will be use just like a stereo amp with no Audyssey, no crossover, no speaker settings. See how you like this mode.
If you feel that you need more bass from front speakers in pure direct without the sub, try moving the speakers closer to the back wall and check if that position is better.
You should wall mount the TV in such a way that the center of the TV will be at your eye level when you are seated. Make sure that you have place to keep the center channel below it.
It would be helpful if you post a picture or diagram of your room and your seating position and your speaker and sub position.
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hardcore_gamer99
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the thing is that total height of my dali opticon 2 is 42 inches from ground and i will have to mount tv higher than this i mean bottom of tv will start 42 inches from ground thats the issue else speaker will cut the screenLet's start slow. Set fronts to 80 and LFE to LFE. Next step will be to change the crossover to 90 and 70 and check. Even if this is not satisfactory, then we can do Full range and LFE + main and try. Don't do it now though. Do all the other settings that I have mentioned above first.
(The effect of LFE + mains is only if you set the mains to full range but let's not do that now)
Try listening to your speakers in pure direct mode. This will play full range into the speakers without the sub when the LFE setting is LFE. If set to LFE + main, the sub will play in pure direct. In this mode, your AVR will be use just like a stereo amp with no Audyssey, no crossover, no speaker settings. See how you like this mode.
If you feel that you need more bass from front speakers in pure direct without the sub, try moving the speakers closer to the back wall and check if that position is better.
You should wall mount the TV in such a way that the center of the TV will be at your eye level when you are seated. Make sure that you have place to keep the center channel below it.
It would be helpful if you post a picture or diagram of your room and your seating position and your speaker and sub position.
What is the seating distance from the TV? Can you post pictures? Maybe others will also contribute.the thing is that total height of my dali opticon 2 is 42 inches from ground and i will have to mount tv higher than this i mean bottom of tv will start 42 inches from ground thats the issue else speaker will cut the screen
If you have no other option then guess you will have to mount it just above the speakers.
hardcore_gamer99
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plz wait will post videoWhat is the seating distance from the TV? Can you post pictures? Maybe others will also contribute.
If you have no other option then guess you will have to mount it just above the speakers.
hardcore_gamer99
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under subwoofer mode LFE there is LPF for LFE what does it do? if i set at 120 vs 100 what will be differenceWhat is the seating distance from the TV? Can you post pictures? Maybe others will also contribute.
If you have no other option then guess you will have to mount it just above the speakers.
See post No. 365 above.under subwoofer mode LFE there is LPF for LFE what does it do? if i set at 120 vs 100 what will be difference
You have not read the Audyssey link I have posted in #364. Please read Audyssey 101 linked below completely.
https://ask.audyssey.com/hc/en-us/sections/202387323-Audyssey-101
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