Orthodynamic Headphones & all things planar

@guru & sachi,..i would love to hear any can which according to you renders the very essence of planar sound,and guru havin already started the loaner of his yam,am awaiting it with glee.sachi,as u dont use ur 'tp' anymore,dont u think that might serve this purpose of a loaner better?would hate to hv to take away ur daily listener ;).man,am so looking forward to some 'propah' education :p.cheers
 
okay..the TPs it is..I am not entirely happy with its sound now that i know how my wharfies and the LCD-2 sound. Going to try and play with the damping a little to up the low freq before i ship it out.

Cheers,
Sachi
 
As much as I would like hear the wharfie Zebs, I won't like to separate anyone from their daily listening gear.
May be once Sachi gets the LCD-2.... ;)
 
Introduction

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Before starting off, a BIG thank you to Gurubhai for initiating the first orthodynamic headphone loaner program in India. :cheers::signthankspin:

That said I will try to do justice with the three way comparison with his erstwhile Yamaha HP-2s and his current YH-2s.

The HP-2 and YH-2 look like twins separated at birth and only upon looking at the top of the headphones where the model no is printed does one realize that they are different models. That and the different after market cables used. The blue Mogami Quad cable on the HP-2 is very striking to the staid black cables found on both the YH-100s and the YH-2.

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Both the HP-2 and YH-2 (along with many other Yamaha orthos) were designed by renowned Italian designer Mario Bellini. However the YH-100 and YH-1000 which were the flagship models at different years were not designed by him.

Both the HP-2 and YH-2s are very lightweight compared to the bulkier and heavier YH-100s. You can have them on your head for hours without any issue. It is not so with the YH-100s as they can feel heavy on your head and neck after an hour or so.

The HP-2/YH-2 have the same 46mm driver in them and both share a similar semi closed housing so theoretically they should sound identical. The YH-100 use a larger 55mm driver and consequently has a larger housing.

Equipment


The hardware chain is like this : Foobar -> Audio-GD Compass DAC/AMP -> headphone.

Music


I have no specific tracks but I listen to a lot of different music from different genres. However most of them were all 320 kbps with a few FLACs and even fewer 192 kbps tracks.

Testing methodology


For the YH-2 I have left the equalizer alone, but for both the YH-100 and HP-2, I have made a compensation of a few -db in the 10 khz and 7 khz band respt to tone down the sibilance that crops up due to the Compass being a bit bright. The compensation is less for the YH-100 compared to the HP-2.

Sound

Ok down to business. Some of would probably skip right to this part. :)


Yamaha YH-2


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When I first got them, I put them on my head and waited to hear the sibilance that I get with the other two headphones. It was then that I realized that this is a very different headphone as its has a rather dark signature.

It has a very smooth sound that reminds me in many ways of my HD650. The bass has enough depth and impact to sound fine with most music but it rolls off pretty quick and has no sub bass. 40 hz is about as low as it can go. The bass has a slight mid bass hump but its fast and the bass never steps out of line with even really fast paced music nor does it intrude into the mid range.

The midrange is where the orthos show their magic. Pianos, trumpets, flutes all sound rich and lush. The vocals are are also very transparent and neutral. Though the vocals are slightly recessed. That said the vocals have good weight/body.

The cans have a rolled off treble that give them their dark signature. Because of the rolled off treble, certain genres of music sound off like Rock and Classical music. However they make poor / sibilant recordings very listenable. Due to the smooth grain free treble you can listen for hours and hours without any fatigue.

These are closed cans (actually semi-closed as they have numerous small vents) and hence cannot match the soundstage of an open can. However the imaging is fantastic on the YH-2. Placing the position of different instruments in your head is very easy and you can easily pick out individual instruments from the mix.

Another plus point of ortho technology is they have a very fast decay and no dynamic I know can keep up. The HD650 is the total opposite with a rather long decay which makes for lovely vocals, but sounds disjointed and defocused with hard rock or metal music.

To sum up, the overall sound is dark (rolled off treble) , warm (slight mid bass hump). fast (quick decay), intimate (small soundstage width but precise imaging), smooth (fatigue free sound) and lush.

Yamaha HP-2

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These cans were my first introduction into the ortho world and Gurubhai had filled my poor head with how awesome orthos were and how amazing they sounded. When I finally got them I practically ripped open the box, plugged the headphones into my Compass , cranked up the volume, and..... my face fell. It was VERY sibilant and I could barely listen for a few minutes before keeping them away. After a little research I found out that my Audio-GD compass was the culprit as it was on the Bright level 2 setting. A change to Neutral setting helped a LOT.

That said they still exhibit some sibilance and I had to do an EQ of the 7 khz and 10 khz band and then the sibilance is gone.

Now I earlier mentioned that the HP-2 and YH-2 share the same drivers and pretty much the same housing. So they should sound similar right ?

Err not really. If the YH-2 is Ying then the HP-2 is definitely Yang. The HP-2 is definitely a bright can but if you EQ down the 7 khz and 10 khz band, it is downright awesome. :clapping:

This is especially true with Rock music or any other faced paced genre. I sometimes catch myself smiling whenever I use these headphones on my favourite rock music tracks.

The treble is what you first notice. Its extended, crisp and very detailed. Detailing is maybe a notch over the YH-2 but I believe its more because the treble is accentuated on the HP-2 while it is softer and more polite on the YH-2.

The mid range is almost as good as the YH-2, but for the sibilance that crops its head from time to time. With the EQ on, the midrange is a lot smoother but still not a match for the YH-2.

Bass is very similar to the YH-2. The HP-2 also has a slight mid bass hump but its not very pronounced and sounds quite pleasing. Its still very quick with keeps up with the rest of the audio spectrum.

The soundstage is again more or less the same as that of the YH-2 - Small but with decent depth and good imaging. Classical music especially sounds amazing with these headphones as the flutes, trumpets, violins, etc sound lush (An ortho characteristic no doubt). And since the HP-2s have both precise imaging and crisp treble, listening to classical music is a real treat ! I actually started collecting more classical music purely after I got this headphone.

So to sum up, the sound is bright (accentuated treble), warm (slight mid bass weight), fast (quick decay), intimate (small soundstage width but precise imaging) and lush.

Yamaha YH-100


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My second ortho after I got smitten by the HP-2s. These are modded by a dbel84 from head-fi.

If I had to use only three words to describe the sound, it would be ruler flat neutral. :D

I have no idea how long dbel84 took to tune these headphones but I simply cannot imagine a flatter response. Everything seems to be just in the right place with nothing forward or recessed. Bass extends down to 20 hz easily without any noticeable rolloff.

However my Compass causes sibilance in the YH-100s as well and I again have to compensate for that via the EQ in Foobar.

That small negative aside, these are easily the best headphones I have heard till date even on my mediocre Compass. The bass is soo tight, deep, controlled, textured (add all the nice audiophile terms here to describe it) etc. It just doesn't seem to get boomy no mater what you throw at it.

The treble is also noticeably better than the HP-2. It doesn't seem accentuated like with the HP-2 but its still very crisp, extended, grain-free, detailed, smooth and for sure there are no annoying peaks in the treble coz I am sensitive to treble and I don't experience fatigue when listening to these cans for a prolonged duration.

Mids are again spot on. Its neither forward nor recessed, it just feels just where you would expect it to be. The mids are VERY transparent, detailed and smooth. (After using the EQ to tone down the sibilance)

Detail retrieval is amazing and even with my less than stellar Compass its a notch or two above the HP-2 and YH-2. Its definitely a notch above my Sennheiser HD-650s which is saying a lot considering these cans are at least 30 years old !

The soundstage is the only place where it cannot improve on its other siblings the HP-2 and YH-2 as it is still a semi closed design (Closed but with several small vents). So it has all the strengths and weaknesses of the HP-2/YH-2 like small soundstage but good imaging. However instrument separation is definitely better than the HP-2/YH-2. No headphone/IEM/Earphone I have heard can match the YH-100 for instrument separation. Notes are well separated and dont blend into each other. The same is true (to a slightly lesser degree) with the HP-2 and YH-2 cans.

The true test of neutrality for these phones is that it sounds great no matter which genre or track you throw at it.

If I lived in England and wore a nice top hat like they did in the old days I would tip my hat to dbel84 for taking so much time and trouble to mod these cans to sound so good. :cheers:

However the downside now is that my rig is definitely holding back the YH-100. I need a new DAC and amp now. :sad:

So to sum up, the sound can be described as Neutral (Bass, mids, treble all in place), fast (quick decay), intimate (small soundstage width but precise imaging), detailed (top notch detail retrieval) and lush.

The YH-2 will now be packed in the same box I got it with and will be on its way to iaudio next. Enjoy. :)
 
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An excellent review, Brendon. :clapping:
Thanks for taking so much trouble, it was a great read.

As for the differences in HP-2 & YH-2 - they sound exactly the same stock though the HP-2 had a slightly better bass extension.
The rest of the difference is explained by the tuning. The HP-2 was tuned while I was in my "rock" phase and it shows. :)
The YH-2 on the other hand was tuned on bollywood albums most of which are mastered pretty bright. The result is a bit warm sounding headphone.
Don's YH-100 are probably very heavy because the cup have been mass- dampened. This would have helped in getting better details & blacker backgrounds.Excellent work from the 'Don' of ortho tuning.:licklips:
I am myself, yet to find a suitable mass dampening material here locally. :(

P.S. - Excellent pics Brendon. You have managed to hide all the cosmetic flaws of YH-2.;)
 
nice work brendon,indeed :clapping:.looks like u and me have a few things in common,a few flac and more 320kbps/192kbps files :lol:!!!hell,i even have some old hindi 64kbps files!!should be interesting indeed to get a listen to them on the headamp of my CA 640A v2.good read,cheers
 
Wow, great! I am looking forward to it! I have no head amp, will have to make to do with hp out of cd6003.
I doubt if it would be able to power them. What about your amp - does it have a headphone out ?

Hmm, maybe I should become a fashion photographer.

I could hide those zits, pimples and double chins on the models. :ohyeah:
If you are shooting models then I will join you. ;)

nice work brendon,indeed :clapping:.looks like u and me have a few things in common,a few flac and more 320kbps/192kbps files :lol:!!!hell,i even have some old hindi 64kbps files!!should be interesting indeed to get a listen to them on the headamp of my CA 640A v2.good read,cheers
64 kbps :eek:
 
^^ should be ok I guess. The headphone outs of speaker amps are hit-n-miss, some are good others not so much.Should have enough power though.

BTW Brendon - The bass roll-off you have described for YH-2 is nowhere as dramatic in my setup. They do the 30hz decently & can be heard upto 25hz.
The orthos do need some good current to show off there bottom though, my xonar though only a chip amp does have impressive specs for current output.
May be these amp differences explain the difference in observed bass roll-off.
 
^^ I know your pain, buddy. But anything you can find in 64kbps can be usually found in better quality.
2 years back I had a huge collection of these 64-128kbps mp3s. I have since then hunted better quality sources for them & have managed to upgrade most of my library.
Most of my library now consists of flacs(ripped by EAC & Accuraterip confirmed) & V0/320kbps mp3s.
 
Finally brought the Tps out fo alisten..some minor tuning..sounding better..I don't know guru..the NAD still ahs an uphill battle I think but i wouldn't mind being proven wrong either.
Got some of the low end up..need to check for extension.
 
BTW Brendon - The bass roll-off you have described for YH-2 is nowhere as dramatic in my setup. They do the 30hz decently & can be heard upto 25hz.
The orthos do need some good current to show off there bottom though, my xonar though only a chip amp does have impressive specs for current output.
May be these amp differences explain the difference in observed bass roll-off.

Unfortuantely I have been reading more on the Compass and it seems the Compass is very bass shy. :(

I should have connected my pre-amp to the setup to boost the bass levels a bit.
 
Finally brought the Tps out fo alisten..some minor tuning..sounding better..I don't know guru..the NAD still ahs an uphill battle I think but i wouldn't mind being proven wrong either.
Got some of the low end up..need to check for extension.

I have no issues if the TPs give their grandpa a thrashing.
That would just motivate me to build my own TPs or may be a new housing for the NADs.
That just reminds me that my Fostex T50RP are being held hostage by someone, hopefully he would be reading this. :p

@Brendon : Does the preamp help with bass levels of HP-2 ?
May be some opamp rolling will help.
 
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Ok, something weird happened. I just got earthing in my room done and I have found the sibilance to have practically vanished !

The YH-100 showed no signs of sibilance in a majority of tracks and it had sibilance in only a few tracks that have a little sibilance already in the recording. Feeling slightly weird I tried the HP-2 which would make me cringe without the EQ on really sibilant tracks and even though the sibilance is there its very low and I have stoped using EQ when listening with either headphone. Very weird.

Anyways iaudio, I am sorry but your package is not yet shipped as I have been coming home pretty late these days. Will pack it properly tomorrow as I have a holiday and send it on Monday to you. :)
 
^^ Ahh those electrical Gremlins !!

told ya, something is wrong with your setup. :p
Had no clue, though that it was gonna be an earthing issue.
Glad you got it straightened out. :)
 
brendon,ground loop issues are so much of a dampener.without them,good equipment present the blackest noise floors possible,and that extends into the purity of the sonics!!i have had pretty much the same prob,solved for most part with adequate grounding,and still do to a minute extent(esp with my laptop on charge while using my dacs) :mad:.glad to know you have rid urself on one,bad gremlin there :D!!!cheers
 
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