Sony launches a new Blu-ray player at Rs. 9,999/-
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It will be of use only if one has a 3d capable tv.
Well, first of all, the disc is released by Eagle but manufactured by MoserBaer Ltd.
Secondly, the original aspect ratio of The Reader is 1.85:1, not 2.35:1, so it is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.
Thirdly, I've not seen the full movie yet, but what little I've seen, so far, appears to be without blemish to the picture.
Fourthly, yes, the disc appears to be censored. I'm willing to bet that the censoring the the same as you'd get at the cinema. Eagle would get into serious trouble if they released an uncensored Blu-ray in the market.
Fifthly, I would still advise people to stay away from it. My BD's casing will be taken over by GWTW, the moment I pick up the US version from 20North.
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kapvin
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Really i do not know how you can say that, unless watched some random 30 sec clip of the movie, which was okay -- the eagle version seems to have been telecined off some highly used (and abused) film stock of the indian version of the film, there are very visible scratches, censor marks & other arbit noise transferred digitally in all it's glory. the encoding is highly inefficient which lots of fast motion noise (wherever there is fast motion - pans etc)
and then the continuous hiss on the soundtrack..
read the rest in this link
http://www.hifivision.com/movies/8527-eagle-home-entertainment-reader-blu-ray.html#post113352
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sanjay0864
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No offense, but you need to learn more about the whole mastering, authoring and manufacturing process. The manufacturer has absolutely no role in the mastering and authoring quality of the Blu-ray disc. The manufacturer is given a master copy, which they have to simply replicate by stamping, which is an entirely mechanical process and which has little to do with the final audio/video quality. Thus, the quality of this disc, whether, good or bad, is not to the credit/discredit of the manufacturer MoserBaer. In any case, responsibilty always lies with the rights holder and the one that stands to profit from the release of the BD title.
It had been a while between the time that I saw the Universal 'The Reader' BD and when I saw the Eagle 'The Reader' BD, thus it had slipped my mind whether the movie was originally in 2.35:1 or 1.85:1. Thus, I stand corrected on the issue. Nevertheless, the problem arising from cropping is still there. Although, not as much as what it would be from a 2.35:1 movie, but cropping is cropping all the same and to me the framing does seem out of place due to the cropping. You may argue, that "it is nowhere as bad", but to those of us who care about quality and originality, an alteration is an alteration and even this small cropping is unacceptable.
I suggest you see the whole film and you will see what I am talking about. I am curious to know the size of display that you are using to make your judgements.
Whether, 'Eagle' is at fault for this, or it's the regressive and undemocratic laws of our country, the fact remains, that due to the butchery, the censored movie, is only a pale shadow of the original work of art.
Now, that is some really good advice.
Hope you get the US 'Universal' version soon and please don't forget to come back here and give us your opinion on what you think of the 'Eagle' version after you have seen the 'real' movie on a decent quality Blu-ray.
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What I have seen of the BD doesn't look at all like what you describe.
I can definitely say that of what little I've seen of The Reader doesn't look like a "camera print" at all. It may not be as good as BDs from the other companies, but it's no camera print, either. I'll thoroughly check it out over the weekend and report back
And the rest of us don't care about quality??
If you're using a 1080P projector or display that gives you a 1:1 pixel match of the image being displayed that I can understand your concern, but if you're using a 768P TV, then the TV's going to give you cropping, if the manufacturer sets it up that way. Since I don't have a choice in the matter, I cannot afford to be fussy about it. I'm definitely not going to give the TV in to the service centre to correct the amount of overscan - it will come out worse than it went in.
Well, let me see it first. BTW I'll be watching it on a Sony 32 inch 768P display.
Yes, but it's the only legal version of the movie Eagle is allowed to sell over here.
PS: I was wrong. I've just watched the first ten odd minutes of the movie, paying more attention to the visuals. It's true it is a copy from a worn out print. I didn't find that much wrong with the stability of the movie so far, though - it doesn't look like a "camera print" to me. There seem to be issues with motion, but the video encoding bitrate is not bad. I've seen it peak at 42 once and in the low 30s ~ mid 20s. It's an AVC encoding, so it seems to be more of a transferring issue to me. I still wouldn't recommend it given the censoring and the DD soundtrack.
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kapvin
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@KDM,
I am more than a little puzzled as to what you construe as a necessity for recommendation.
A TrueHD soundtrack? well the problem with soundtrack is not the codec, it's that fact the the noise floor is 40dB or so down. that's less than most cheapo sidewalk cassettes. have you heard on a well executed DD/DTS soundtrack on a halfway decent system? -- LOTR-EE, the Dark knight? a good non hD soundtrack is nothing to sneeze about. Unless you have a sound system the level of Sanjay0864's, most of the difference you hear between a SD and HD audio track can be put down to mastering difference
Uncensored movie? -- well the fact of life, as you pointed out is that censoring is inevitable in india. however, censoring can be handled gracefully so that the cuts do not cause abrupt breaks in the story line.
how about the things you glossed over? - picture quality? how about a dull picture, motion noise, judder? how about that a poor print was used and then no attempt to do post production correction to the telecined material? - esp since the "big promise" of BD was theatre quality visuals?
i am also a little puzzled by some of your contentions - my second HT is not full HD-(768p as you call it) and there is no cropping of any BD on it. I think you are confusing resizing with cropping. Cropping will happen, if you specifically choose on your TV (and I'm not sure you can crop on the HDMI input- at least not on my LG37") and then, you would lose some of the picture.
Please do not also confuse high bitrate with coding efficiency. A high bitrate for a complex scene fidelity is necessary but not a sufficient condition.
for curiosity sake, would you care to list out all the elements of HT, and how you have connected them. My apologies if I sound condescending, but it is entirely possible that you have not fully unlocked the potential of your system, thereby creating non optimal reference points.
cheers
EDIT:: also on an aside, camera prints, have progressed too - earlier camera prints were on VHS cassetes; now they are on FullHD camcorders.. ;-)
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sud98
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I think you guys are going way off track and has nothing to do with the Sony having launched a blu-ray player. Please keep the sanctity of the thread.
alcy
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Bleh ! I thought this player's a hit and that's why so many pages for this thread. Turns out to be a redundant discussion already. 
I bought this Blu-ray Player but keeping in mind the discussion going on, I felt if I post it here, it will look off topic.
Congrats did you get any free blu ray movies
kapvin
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Yes, I got 2 BDs free with it.
could you give a brief review of your impressions? i visited this thread with an objective of getting some feel about the product , but (like many others) got sidetracked by the discussions.
would like some feedback on PQ, simplicity of use and overall feel.
I have a 12k croma gift voucher lying around and I'm thinking giving my parents a simple introduction to HD with this player.
cheers
kapil
Hi.
I got it yesterday and played "Legion" and it played really well. Menus are simple to navigate, remote is good to hold. :clapping:
However, I may not be the best person to judge this BDP as this is my first BDP and these 2 BDs are the first one which I took in my hands. Though I have some 15-18 Blu-ray rips (complete M2TS) in my hard drive which I have seen through my media player.
It is a great buy, I am unable to understand why people spend so much money on the region free BDPs whereas they can buy 2 BDPs (region A and Region C) at less than the price of region free BDPs and enjoy almost all the BDs.
I got it yesterday and played "Legion" and it played really well. Menus are simple to navigate, remote is good to hold. :clapping:
However, I may not be the best person to judge this BDP as this is my first BDP and these 2 BDs are the first one which I took in my hands. Though I have some 15-18 Blu-ray rips (complete M2TS) in my hard drive which I have seen through my media player.
It is a great buy, I am unable to understand why people spend so much money on the region free BDPs whereas they can buy 2 BDPs (region A and Region C) at less than the price of region free BDPs and enjoy almost all the BDs.
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kapvin
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you have a point... that's food for thought ;-)
thanks for some very straightforward feedback!
cheers
alcy
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mgdelhi and others who have bought this...can you folks tell about the sound quality compared with mass market DVD players ?
@mgdelhi
1) Congratulations on your purchase.
2) Regarding the sound quality, this set plays CDs and SACD's - I'm wondering if the playback of CDs is better than the sub Rs. 5000/- DVD players.
3) Regarding the 2 free BDs - are you allowed to choose them or is everyone given the same two discs?
1) Congratulations on your purchase.
2) Regarding the sound quality, this set plays CDs and SACD's - I'm wondering if the playback of CDs is better than the sub Rs. 5000/- DVD players.
3) Regarding the 2 free BDs - are you allowed to choose them or is everyone given the same two discs?
alcy
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...also, can it play DVD-A discs ? It isn't mentioned though.
I don't think so. It's not mentioned in the specs, besides, it's a Sony product, I just can't see them supporting DVD-Audio.
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