The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread!

[emmarbee]

Do not see the overall rating. Hover your mouse over the rating, the ratings will breakdown to Design, Features, Performance and Value.
In that Performance rating are as follows
ST60 - 9
F8500 - 9
VT60 - 10
ZT60 - 10
W900 - 8
w800 - 6

Strangely ,cnet gives a 5 star to st60 and 4 stars to vt60 and zt60.
It says that st60 is more affordable and at the same time almost same in PQ as that of its brothers.
And it seems it is brighter than vt60/zt60.
I just want to see how it fares with sammy f8500

The only caveat is 3d which is not as good as st50.

 

[sunilkm]

Just checked out the 50" S60 at the Panny store in Koramangala. Liked the picture quality, but the panel was too reflective for my taste. Price seems to be good though at 85k. A side-by-side comparison with the LED LCD panels there just shows how much better a plasma is in the PQ department. There's just no comparison. But saw the Sony W950 after this and gotta say that it comes pretty darn close to a plasma.

The ST60 is expected in a month's time according to the salesman. Can't wait to see it.

Is 85K MRP or selling price of the 50S60?

 

[doniv]

Selling price (sans negotiation)

 

[just4kix]

Strangely ,cnet gives a 5 star to st60 and 4 stars to vt60 and zt60.
It says that st60 is more affordable and at the same time almost same in PQ as that of its brothers.
And it seems it is brighter than vt60/zt60.
I just want to see how it fares with sammy f8500

The only caveat is 3d which is not as good as st50.

CNet's overall rating takes price of the TV into account and gives it a fair weightage. On pure PQ terms, the VT60 and ZT60 are better and even said so by Cnet. In fact, they call the ZT60, the new reference model.

The good: The Panasonic VT60 produces the second-best picture quality of any TV we've ever reviewed, equal to or better than our in-house Pioneer Kuro reference and surpassed only by the ZT60; exceedingly deep black levels and excellent shadow detail; well-saturated colors and excellent skin tones; industry-leading sound quality; extensive features including touch-pad remote, voice control, and onboard camera.

The bad: Extremely expensive; worse bright-room picture than that of the Samsung F8500; somewhat humdrum design; camera is limited, and facial recognition is a gimmick.

The bottom line: The Panasonic VT60 has one of the best pictures of any TV we've ever reviewed, and matches the best-ever in dark rooms.


Source: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt60/4505-6482_7-35567332.html

But considering the heavy price required to be paid for these models vis-a-vis the overall PQ and other improvements, the ST60 becomes "more value for the money". Hence the 5-stars to ST60 and 4-Stars to VT60/ZT60.

I used similar logic to weigh between ST50 and HX850.

 

[shanmune]

^ Yes. The reason for ST50 popularity was that it was almost close to VT50 or any reference model last year. In fact, even the brightness level was higher on ST50 when compared to VT50. The only thing that ST50 missed over VT50 is the calibration flexibility.

 

[longshanks]

Cnet's reviews have never been that in depth so they are not among the best reviewing sites, also best cannot be just dark room performance(remember, kuro is not just a dark room performer and it is brighter than both VT and ZT from Panasonic), then they should name it as the best dark room television ever, most folks in AVS who seen all the plasma's clearly say except in a very dark room everywhere else in side by side comparison F8500 will make any other plasma look not so good.

Also its unlikely that these will show up in India and Panasonic's pricing strategy in India again will be mega fail, they will sell even the VT series for a higher price than F8500 unlike every where else where it sells for much lesser than F8500, they will sell ZT for double the price of F8500(if ever it gets introduced), the same ZT which sells for almost same price as F8500 abroad.


OT : I think Kuro is the best plasma overall but F8500 is the best plasma for moderately lit or bright environment and ZT is the best in dark environment.

 

[Dirac]

Cnet's reviews have never been that in depth so they are not among the best reviewing sites, also best cannot be just dark room performance(remember, kuro is not just a dark room performer and it is brighter than both VT and ZT from Panasonic), then they should name it as the best dark room television ever, most folks in AVS who seen all the plasma's clearly say except in a very dark room everywhere else in side by side comparison F8500 will make any other plasma look not so good.

Also its unlikely that these will show up in India and Panasonic's pricing strategy in India again will be mega fail, they will sell even the VT series for a higher price than F8500 unlike every where else where it sells for much lesser than F8500, they will sell ZT for double the price of F8500(if ever it gets introduced), the same ZT which sells for almost same price as F8500 abroad.


OT : I think Kuro is the best plasma overall but F8500 is the best plasma for moderately lit or bright environment and ZT is the best in dark environment.

I cannot comment on the veracity of cnet reviews but it is true that they have menrioned clearly that for vt60 or zt60 excell in their performance in dark rooms unlike f8500.
Also they give the same rating for both st60 and f8500 in PQ.
But one thing I feel is that the reason I changed from led to plasma is PQ despite knowing that it needs a moderately lit room.
I think all plasma lovers are ready to darken their room to enjoy their sets.
My question is why should people who are not plasma lovers go for f8500?
Would it not be prudent to go for leds which are bright and suitable for well lit rooms?
And if they are plasma lovers and they have a moderately lit rooms they would definitely go for a plasma that really excells above the rest.

 

[shanmune]

I cannot comment on the veracity of cnet reviews but it is true that they have menrioned clearly that for vt60 or zt60 excell in their performance in dark rooms unlike f8500.
Also they give the same rating for both st60 and f8500 in PQ.
But one thing I feel is that the reason I changed from led to plasma is PQ despite knowing that it needs a moderately lit room.
I think all plasma lovers are ready to darken their room to enjoy their sets.
My question is why should people who are not plasma lovers go for f8500?
Would it not be prudent to go for leds which are bright and suitable for well lit rooms?
And if they are plasma lovers and they have a moderately lit rooms they would definitely go for a plasma that really excells above the rest.

My thoughts - Have these plasmas reached a level where the PQ parameter is becoming more subjective (based on an individual's taste) rather than an absolute one ? What I have seen is - some like ZT60 PQ, others like F8500 PQ, the rest like VT60 PQ ... There seems to be no absolute parameter to judge ZT60 vs VT60 vs F8500. That's what I infer from most of the reviews.

 

[just4kix]

My thoughts - Have these plasmas reached a level where the PQ parameter is becoming more subjective (based on an individual's taste) rather than an absolute one ? What I have seen is - some like ZT60 PQ, others like F8500 PQ, the rest like VT60 PQ ... There seems to be no absolute parameter to judge ZT60 vs VT60 vs F8500. That's what I infer from most of the reviews.

That is why I often say it is pointless to discuss "best TV" beyond a limit. Simply because you like a certain TV more than others and then calling some reviewer untrustworthy/non-dependable because he/she has given more marks to some other model is ... I don't know what to call this foolishness. What I will state is read all the reviews, and accept what appeals to you.

 

[akasmarty2003]

i can buy 64F8500 in a blink as it is getting rave reviews everywhere and trust me this year sammmy is offering such a good plasma at unbeatable price but somehow i am not convinced about sammy's reliability. thats the only reason which is stopping me.

 

[longshanks]

@just4kix

Just because you quoted Cnet and said ZT is reference according them and some one opposes to that claim it does not necessarily mean that you have to call that foolishness.If you feel offended then that's your problem i guess and you could have quoted me directly rather than beating around the bush.

This is not the first time you posted like this, i guess you have started to take any post against Panasonic and supporting the fact F8500 very personally, i remember a few some days go you said its worthless to discuss plasma which are not being sold in India but here you now discussing ZT and VT. I dont not diss ZT but the same time i dont accept it is the best

So before posting stuff like "I don't know what to call this foolishness" you have to check if you are posting much more foolishness by trying to take things too personal.My posts here have been about certain brands but not about anyone's posting habits(unless they post blind one line claims),i really don't want to get started on picking posts because that augment will become quite immature.

 

[just4kix]

@just4kix

Just because you quoted Cnet and said ZT is reference according them and some one opposes to that claim it does not necessarily mean that you have to call that foolishness.If you feel offended then that's your problem i guess and you could have quoted me directly rather than beating around the bush.

This is not the first time you posted like this, i guess you have started to take any post against Panasonic and supporting the fact F8500 very personally, i remember a few some days go you said its worthless to discuss plasma which are not being sold in India but here you now discussing ZT and VT. I dont not diss ZT but the same time i dont accept it is the best

So before posting stuff like "I don't know what to call this foolishness" you have to check if you are posting much more foolishness by trying to take things too personal.My posts here have been about certain brands but not about anyone's posting habits(unless they post blind one line claims),i really don't want to get started on picking posts because that augment will become quite immature.

For your "kind" info, I do not support Panasonic. I purchased Panasonic after a detailed study of all models available at my budget point and closely comparing my needs vs. features offered. For that matter, neither do I support Samsung or Sony or any other brand. I am neither pro nor anti any brand.

I quote what I read. I never ever said that what I quote is the "absolute truth and nothing but the truth". You have a habit of picking fights with anyone who does not happen to agree with you. Just goes on to prove who is more mature! Amen!!

 

[longshanks]

You have a habit of replying with anyone who happens to point out your post and try to reply using personal comments like "I don't know what to call this foolishness".Just goes on to prove who is more mature! and who is more childish Amen!!

Fixed, and my reply was mostly directed towards the fact that you were searching for words upon the foolish act of calling cnet reviews not that credible,read my post properly before replying, here are couple of past examples.

http://www.hifivision.com/television/40463-2013-plasma-discussion-thread-15.html#post495244

http://www.hifivision.com/television/40463-2013-plasma-discussion-thread-16.html#post495315

 

[Dirac]

Re: The 2013 Plasma Discussion Thread! [Updated with Information]

Chill guys.
It wont bode well to the plasma threads if you two plasma giants are on a collision course.
I tender my apology if my post has caused this standoff.
Peace peace peace.
Long live plasmas...

 

[vakharia]

Ok.. So got a chance to see VT60 and ST60 here in Helsinki.

Could not play any video, so only drawing inference from the demo video that was being played continuously.

First impressions:
1. The design of the TV (appearance) won't win any awards for Panasonic. The WT60 sitting between these two plasmas looked really nice with thin bezel.

But the real meat of the matter is what is displayed inside.

The VT appeared a little dark and the ST appeared a little washed out.

However, the picture quality of the demo video was very good. There was no motion judder or any thing of that sort.

At Rs. 83000, the 50ST50Y looks really appealing.

I hope to go there again and have a more closer look.
Unfortunately no Samsung plasmas out there for me to checkout.

 

[Deleted member 71491]

Hi guys i am newbie when comes to plasma TV..I had been in search of led+3d 46"-47''"TV's due to high prices i tired to give plasma TV Samsung plasma a try..and i am impressed by the PQ n Price..Few questions..

does these tv produce ''in burns'' any inbuilt new technology to avoid it in 2013 models?

When 42-47" led full hd TV's cost 99k plasma is worth the price in bigger sizes.

i saw the samsung 51"F5500 model any one using it or let me know how good it it ?priced at 70k

 

[just4kix]

Hi guys i am newbie when comes to plasma TV..I had been in search of led+3d 46"-47''"TV's due to high prices i tired to give plasma TV Samsung plasma a try..and i am impressed by the PQ n Price..Few questions..

does these tv produce ''in burns'' any inbuilt new technology to avoid it in 2013 models?

When 42-47" led full hd TV's cost 99k plasma is worth the price in bigger sizes.

i saw the samsung 51"F5500 model any one using it or let me know how good it it ?priced at 70k

Burn-in is not an issue but temporary image retention can bother a bit. Image retention always goes away. Follow my thread on image retention (using smartphone via talpatalk and hence can't post link that easily). But plasma will give more for the buck definitely. The F5500 is a successor to the last year's E550 and is a vet strong mid-range performer.

 

[vakharia]

So, I am back from the mall where I saw the ST and VT60 yesterday. Today the TV's were switched off, and I really got busy with something else in the mall. There was one box of 50ST60 for around Rs. 62000 in the discounted section. I am not sure why the price was low (perhaps the box was not sealed). It is a mouth watering price for that TV, but unfortunately I cannot do anything about it since the airlines cost and the customs and the overall hassle would be too much for me.

 

[aakashr]

Burn-in is not an issue but temporary image retention can bother a bit. Image retention always goes away. Follow my thread on image retention (using smartphone via talpatalk and hence can't post link that easily). But plasma will give more for the buck definitely. The F5500 is a successor to the last year's E550 and is a vet strong mid-range performer.

+1
plasma will give more for the buck definitely..................definitely!!! it will cost you a lot more to get the same pic quality in LED TVs. Hard to beat plasma when it comes to price vs performance.

 

[sunilkm]

Hi guys i am newbie when comes to plasma TV..I had been in search of led+3d 46"-47''"TV's due to high prices i tired to give plasma TV Samsung plasma a try..and i am impressed by the PQ n Price..Few questions..

does these tv produce ''in burns'' any inbuilt new technology to avoid it in 2013 models?

When 42-47" led full hd TV's cost 99k plasma is worth the price in bigger sizes.

i saw the samsung 51"F5500 model any one using it or let me know how good it it ?priced at 70k

Hi,

As the experts here in the forum suggested it is a good decision. I am also in the upgradation mode and planning to buy plasma.

When I have checked few weeks back I could see only 51F4900 in one of the samsung outlet. Did you get a chance to compare 51F5500 and 51F4900 side by side.?

Some claririffication needed from experts:

Will there be significant PQ difference for most of the SD viewing ( Tatasky )
F5500 is FHD v/s F4900 is HD.


I was looking for a 51F5500 reviews online but I could not find.
Please share if any if you come across.