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A query: How much light is reflected on Toshiba U50/U79 55" screen models?
Toshiba U79 and U80 Owners Discussion And Review !!
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Any idea if they are in display in reliance digital? Otherwise it is same as any online portals.
Hisense U7 vs Samsung TU8500
Viewing angles, motion, off angle contrast, specular highlights, everything is poor in the Hisense.
Dont know what they are up to with the european models. It reflects in the reviews too.
One thing that is clear is, these are not same as the H8/H9 models from the US.
Hopefully indian variants are better.
No idea but the customer guy told me it's available at both online and offline at reliance digital stores. With exclusive additional extended warranty 3years
josedandrew
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Toshiba 55U7980 review.
I had this tv for about 2 weeks now.
As promised here is what my experience so far with the tv.
Let me get something out of the way. This tv is same as hisense H8F, at least on the hardware front. So you can head over to rtings.com for detailed review.
Going through numerous reviews on H8F before buying, there were few concerns for me like,
Slow response of Local dimming (digital trends review)
Slow motion response time (rtings)
Sub par viewing angles (rtings)
So this review will mainly focus on my experience with these issues above.
Local dimming
The good news is that, local dimming is very good. I have set the dimming to high in all the modes, and never seen any distracting zone transitions or brightness fluctuations. The letterbox bar in movies remained inky black. Generally black levels are superb and entirely satisfactory.
Motion response
I can see judder mainly in panning shots with low frame rate contents(24fps, 25fps). Tried all the setting in ultra clear motion, but eventually turned everything off. I don't see the response time of panel is an issue here. It's the processing.
Unlike the H8F, here there is no film mode, or BFI which is bit disappointing.
With every motion setting off, I see no issues with movies. Nothing distracting.
The best thing is I don't see any motion artifacts.
But streamed sports content don't look good due to low frame rate.
Recharged my airtel dth and everything cricket , tennis, football looks superb at 60 fps.
So I can say my fear about slow panel response time was totally misplaced.
View angles
I sit exactly at 8 feet from tv. Have a 3 seater sofa facing strait at tv and any position on the sofa gives picture with no degradation. Beyond this you will notice lose of contrast and color and gamma shift. This is fine for me, although more is always welcome.
Now what I like about this tv.
Superb brightness and contrast with the aid of local dimming.
Inky solid blacks.
Excellent natural color. My previous tv was a Samsung plasma and always loved its color reproduction.
This tv matches and exceeds it, my wife too commented about the same.
Very good upscaling. Whether 1080p of 480p, good content is upscaled smoothly. One thing I want to say is all 720p or 1080p are not same. It depends on the quality of source too
Important thing is I see very few motion artifacts.
Very good out of the box color accuracy.
Decent reflection handling. No issues using in a moderately lit living room.
Good BT remote controller and excellent HDMI cec functionality.
What could have been better
Lack of film mode, bfi
Some mild dirty screen effect.
Average sound.
Missing hotstar, sonyliv, etc
Conclusion
Totally happy with my purchase. Hope it lasts 3-4 years without any issues.
I think it's the best vfm FALD tv in the market. 65 inch will be even better value. We have a small living room and 65 inch would have been overkill.
Okay, that's it. I hope this will be helpful to someone looking for a new tv.
Thank for reading.
Few pictures added.
I had this tv for about 2 weeks now.
As promised here is what my experience so far with the tv.
Let me get something out of the way. This tv is same as hisense H8F, at least on the hardware front. So you can head over to rtings.com for detailed review.
Going through numerous reviews on H8F before buying, there were few concerns for me like,
Slow response of Local dimming (digital trends review)
Slow motion response time (rtings)
Sub par viewing angles (rtings)
So this review will mainly focus on my experience with these issues above.
Local dimming
The good news is that, local dimming is very good. I have set the dimming to high in all the modes, and never seen any distracting zone transitions or brightness fluctuations. The letterbox bar in movies remained inky black. Generally black levels are superb and entirely satisfactory.
Motion response
I can see judder mainly in panning shots with low frame rate contents(24fps, 25fps). Tried all the setting in ultra clear motion, but eventually turned everything off. I don't see the response time of panel is an issue here. It's the processing.
Unlike the H8F, here there is no film mode, or BFI which is bit disappointing.
With every motion setting off, I see no issues with movies. Nothing distracting.
The best thing is I don't see any motion artifacts.
But streamed sports content don't look good due to low frame rate.
Recharged my airtel dth and everything cricket , tennis, football looks superb at 60 fps.
So I can say my fear about slow panel response time was totally misplaced.
View angles
I sit exactly at 8 feet from tv. Have a 3 seater sofa facing strait at tv and any position on the sofa gives picture with no degradation. Beyond this you will notice lose of contrast and color and gamma shift. This is fine for me, although more is always welcome.
Now what I like about this tv.
Superb brightness and contrast with the aid of local dimming.
Inky solid blacks.
Excellent natural color. My previous tv was a Samsung plasma and always loved its color reproduction.
This tv matches and exceeds it, my wife too commented about the same.
Very good upscaling. Whether 1080p of 480p, good content is upscaled smoothly. One thing I want to say is all 720p or 1080p are not same. It depends on the quality of source too
Important thing is I see very few motion artifacts.
Very good out of the box color accuracy.
Decent reflection handling. No issues using in a moderately lit living room.
Good BT remote controller and excellent HDMI cec functionality.
What could have been better
Lack of film mode, bfi
Some mild dirty screen effect.
Average sound.
Missing hotstar, sonyliv, etc
Conclusion
Totally happy with my purchase. Hope it lasts 3-4 years without any issues.
I think it's the best vfm FALD tv in the market. 65 inch will be even better value. We have a small living room and 65 inch would have been overkill.
Okay, that's it. I hope this will be helpful to someone looking for a new tv.
Thank for reading.
Few pictures added.
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Thanks josedandrew for your review.
I am using 720p plasma TV. Do you think it would be an 'upgrade' as far as blacks and overall PQ is concerned if the same content (720p) is played on both?
Did you buy it online? Got an additional warranty?
I am using 720p plasma TV. Do you think it would be an 'upgrade' as far as blacks and overall PQ is concerned if the same content (720p) is played on both?
Did you buy it online? Got an additional warranty?
neoonwheels
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I have upgraded from the Panasonic plasma. I would say the blacks are almost plasma like and what is icing on the cake is the brightness. I had to use thick curtains as the plasmas are known for reflection due to glass but this one is good even in dimly lit rooms. Of course the plasma was better in handling motion but then they dont make such TVs now so you have to get something that fits budget and yet deliver value.
I would be writing a small review on my 65U7980 soon but in short, I am not at all disappointed after upgrading from a plasma.
lightgamer
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- Most of his video he's comparing off-axis which is not how you'll be viewing the TV. Else you'll buy an IPS.
- His camera is likely exposing for the Samsung, which is why Hisense looks washed out since it's brighter and getting overexposed.
- Comparing based on a camera which likely can't even capture the TV's dynamic range is the worst you can do while comparing TVs. Either trust hard metrics or trust what a 'trusted' reviewer says.
- Unless the guy is using a RED or some high-end camera and grading in HDR, you won't be able to accurately determine which TVs look better.
Please don't post videos of folks who don't know what they're doing. It gives clicks to them for mediocre work and misleads forum members.
josedandrew
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Me too upgraded form 720p plasma. Yes the PQ is an upgrade. 720p will be a little softer compared to 43 inch plasma due to bigger screen size. Otherwise it's better.
Bought from flipkart with 1 year full plus 3 years additional panel warranty.
I have demoed the Samsung TU8570 and not impressed at all.
The issue was lack of brightness. May be due to shop conditions, but sony x7500h next to it looked much better and brighter.
Samsung will likely struggle with HDR content.
I second @josedandrew. When i checked samsung 8570 it looked worse than lg ips um7300. Sony x7500 looked much better. Checked in standard mode for both.
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My new TV will be placed at exactly the same location as the current LG Plasma 42" TV (see attached pic).
If I decide to buy Toshiba U79, do you think I may notice a loss of contrast and color while sitting on my left/right side chairs that are approx 7 feet away from the TV?
If I decide to buy Toshiba U79, do you think I may notice a loss of contrast and color while sitting on my left/right side chairs that are approx 7 feet away from the TV?
Not sure if you'll notice or not, but it's going to happen. I would definitely notice. Like I mentioned, even when sitting almost in front of TV with VA panel, head directly in front of one edge of TV, the other side of the TV is noticeably dimmer. Especially in sports it's more noticeable. Whether you willl, only you can answer.
lightgamer
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No, this angle would be fine. Upto 45 degrees should be not much different.
Not sure what kind of garbage VA you've tried, but that's definitely not the case with most of them. Even with a test pattern, upto 45 degrees is completely fine on my unit as long as I'm 5 feet away from the TV.
And I'd prefer 45 degrees on a VA than head on on any IPS panel. Even in a moderately bright room, IPS panels look absolutely garbage with black bars on top and bottom. Tried the best of the best. And it's not just black bars, but even in regular content there's no punch due to the lack of contrast.
You can make the case for and against any kind of tech. OLEDs have burn-in and cost, VAs have viewing angle and IPS have bad contrast. It depends on what you're okay with. VA is used on most brands because it's the best compromise, and I personally love the contrast and brightness of a good FALD VA.
Also, this is U79 and U80 owners discussion thread. If you don't own it or don't have any question, please refrain from posting or at least spreading misinformation.
Misinformation? We have literally hundreds of TVs with VA panels tested by Rtings. At 30°, brightness drops by 20%. Just because you don't notice it, doesn't mean it doesn't. Facts are for all to see in Rtings' measurements.
Moreover, what GX800D thread? You're mistaken. I was the one who was the first to point out that it's an IPS panel, and people shouldn't buy it based on European reviews. You have me confused with someone else.
If sitting on the side like the query above, who is a forum member I have talked to personally on phone too, which is why I responded, brightness will drop 20-30%, with gradation happening from one edge to the other. Fact.
If there's anyone spreading misinformation here, it's you by saying it's fine till 45°. No, it's not. It's fine for you. Big difference. At 45° off-axis, H8G's test results show a brightness drop of more than 30%. Are you saying that's not noticeable? Maybe for you.
I have simply presented facts that are easily verifiable by anyone. All VA panels do indeed have similar angles. So let's ignore my garbage VA panel and take H8G's data..
Sit right in front of a 55-inch TV, 8 feet away, head on one side of the TV. That side is at 0°. 100% white is 100% white. The other edge will be at approximately 27°. At that angle, even in H8G, brightness drops to about 80%. So a full white slide, or a white sports banner or news banner, will transition from 100% to 80% white.
Is that not noticeable? For you maybe. I'm presenting data and facts.
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lightgamer
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That's not that noticeable in real world though.
Again, how much does that look to you mattets
No, it won't be 12°. It'll be approximately 26°. You're wrong.
8 feet isn't 240 inches. It's 96 inches or so. Recalculate please.
lightgamer
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Yeah, edited my comment before you posted. Unfortunate miscalculation by me, couldn't delete the post. Oh well!
Still, what you're calling dead on is 13 degree off axis and the worst case scenario for brightness loss visible across the panel. At higher angles, it won't be as big as the TV will project a smaller angle to your eye, plus the loss per degree reduces.
Dude, stop deleting content of your comments. Double check calculations before posting.
So now after your edit, I guess your stance has changed from it won't happen coz I flunked maths, to it won't matter.
If you read my comments, I have consistently written that I don't know whether the other person will notice or not. Clearly you aren't. I am.
That's why I have given calculations to show that even if your head is one side and you're sitting 8 feet away, the other side loses 20% or so of its brightness on a 55 inch TV. Whether someone will notice or not, let them decide. I'm presenting verifiable facts here, along with experience with VA panels.
In a 65-inch scenario, the loss gets even worse and way more noticeable.
If you read my yesterday's comment in some other thread, I mentioned that I'm 12-13° or so off axis.
However, why the gradation is so noticable is that even if Rtings calculates off axis data from the center of the TV, pixels don't care about that. In my scenario, which is really common, the pixel on the side of the TV right in front of me is sending all of its light, while the pixel on the other side is not, as it's at 27° angle or so.
So just saying brightness loss at 13° is not much is actually not presenting the entire picture, literally, because in VA panels, this gradation will happen. Averaging it to say X brightness loss overall while helpful in general, does ignore the gradation phenomena.
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lightgamer
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I changed immediately after I posted when I noticed my error. This was edited before you commented.
Regarding 65", you'll view it from further away, so no.
And your eye sees logarithmically, not linearly. So 20% less brightness won't look 20% less to your eye.
That will also be noted between centre and 13 degree from centre in rtings calculation. When you're away you won't get all the light.
I can make you an 100% to 80% white slide if anyone wants to see how it looks...
And a lot of people watch 65-inch TVs at 8 feet.
Anyway, enough of this. No point arguing. I have made my case. Enjoy your TV. It's great VFM. Adios!
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