Toshiba U79 and U80 Owners Discussion And Review !!

[Rane-2020]

Moderator has already warned everyone regarding forum etiquette so guys keep that in mind.

Well these guys dont care.they are just trying show off and spoiling a thread with unrelated discussion.I hope mods will step in.

 

[josedandrew]

Did u happen to demo the toshiba in any of the reliance digitals? Locally they have stock but no demo.

No, local RD had neither Toshiba nor hisense. I bought the tv at online launch. Not been to any store since.

 

[Marakk]

As promised, here are some shots. Remember, a phone camera (especially my OnePlus) has much lower dynamic range than human eye, so the difference is vastly exaggerated in these photos. I've included my monitor (LG 27UK650) which has almost perfect viewing angles as a control as well. Again, the TV looks much more even in real life than the photos due to how the camera processes.

As you can see, the TV doesn't look any worse than the monitor. Now, the monitor is a bit closer but they both look almost perfect with the naked eye and much better than the photos. First 2 are the TV, last 2 are the IPS monitor. Please excuse the warping in the photos as I wasn't perfectly in the middle of the TV height and was standing, but that should only deteriorate the quality from there.

Photos are taken from 8 feet from the TV, 4 feet from the monitor. Had to crop them to reduce size, but they are taken from both edges of the screen for both screens.

Errr...I don't get the point of these. You're shooting from the center. Take two images. Move to the right so that camera is on the right edge of the TV, and then do the same thing with the left side. Then we can see gradation from one side to the other and be able to differentiate that and DSE.

As promised, here are some shots. Remember, a phone camera (especially my OnePlus) has much lower dynamic range than human eye, so the difference is vastly exaggerated in these photos. I've included my monitor (LG 27UK650) which has almost perfect viewing angles as a control as well. Again, the TV looks much more even in real life than the photos due to how the camera processes.

As you can see, the TV doesn't look any worse than the monitor. Now, the monitor is a bit closer but they both look almost perfect with the naked eye and much better than the photos. First 2 are the TV, last 2 are the IPS monitor. Please excuse the warping in the photos as I wasn't perfectly in the middle of the TV height and was standing, but that should only deteriorate the quality from there.

Photos are taken from 8 feet from the TV, 4 feet from the monitor. Had to crop them to reduce size, but they are taken from both edges of the screen for both screens.

Saw them again after removing the night filter on the phone. Lol. I can see the gradation and color shift as expected.

 

[lightgamer]

Errr...I don't get the point of these. You're shooting from the center. Take two images. Move to the right so that camera is on the right edge of the TV, and then do the same thing with the left side. Then we can see gradation from one side to the other and be able to differentiate that and DSE.

I'm not shooting from the centre. These are from left and right edge of both devices. Clearly mentioned on the comment above as well as it's clear from the photos too.

See the white balance shifting opposite in each photo.

 

[Marakk]

As promised, here are some shots. Remember, a phone camera (especially my OnePlus) has much lower dynamic range than human eye, so the difference is vastly exaggerated in these photos. I've included my monitor (LG 27UK650) which has almost perfect viewing angles as a control as well. Again, the TV looks much more even in real life than the photos due to how the camera processes.

As you can see, the TV doesn't look any worse than the monitor. Now, the monitor is a bit closer but they both look almost perfect with the naked eye and much better than the photos. First 2 are the TV, last 2 are the IPS monitor. Please excuse the warping in the photos as I wasn't perfectly in the middle of the TV height and was standing, but that should only deteriorate the quality from there.

Photos are taken from 8 feet from the TV, 4 feet from the monitor. Had to crop them to reduce size, but they are taken from both edges of the screen for both screens.

Any shot of the white slide from 30° for comparison?

I'm not shooting from the centre. These are from left and right edge of both devices. Clearly mentioned on the comment above as well as it's clear from the photos too.

See the white balance shifting opposite in each photo.

Yeah...I replied in the next comment. Phone had night filter on.

 

[lightgamer]

Saw them again after removing the night filter on the phone. Lol. I can see the gradation and color shift as expected.

They don't look like this in real life though. Looks very normal. Camera is grossly exaggerating the difference. Also you can see the IPS monitor.

Any shot of the white slide from 30° for comparison?

No, didn't get that. Shouldn't matter though. The TV looks about the same as my IPS monitor to me upto 40-45 degrees. After that the monitor retains but TV goes to shit.
Edit:
I'm done with this discussion now. This thread is going out of topic.

 

[Rajeev-23]

Oh it’s really boring here!!!

 

[Marakk]

I'm done with this discussion now. This thread is going out of topic.

Not going to comment on your IPS comparison. The gradation is quite visible on TV as I said it will be. Even more in 65 inch. Let those sitting on the sidelines wondering use it as a guide to see if they'll be bothered. Goodbye!

 

[lightgamer]

Not going to comment on your IPS comparison.

Obviously, because it doesn't suit your narrative. The brightness difference will always be there no matter the panel type because of light intensity degradation by distance(it's quadratic). The other corner is further away and hence will be dimmer on OLED, IPS and VA.

It doesn't look any worse than my IPS monitor and way better than the shots you shared. Oh, and you can check my monitor's review at rtings if you doubt that it has bad viewing angles.

Let those sitting on the sidelines wondering use it as a guide to see if they'll be bothered.

That would be bad because it doesn't look like this with the eye. The camera vastly exaggerates the issue. It looks almost perfect with naked eye because your eye can only look at about 7 degrees at once and adjusts white point.

That's why you never decide on picture quality by a youtube video or anything captured with a camera. And that's why I included IPS monitor as control.

Goodbye!

I have said all I wanted to do. If you're still stuck on your thinking, I can't do much. Let's just agree to disagree. Goodbye!

 

[Marakk]

Obviously, because it doesn't suit your narrative. The brightness difference will always be there no matter the panel type because of light intensity degradation by distance(it's quadratic). The other corner is further away and hence will be dimmer on OLED, IPS and VA.

It doesn't look any worse than my IPS monitor and way better than the shots you shared. Oh, and you can check my monitor's review at rtings if you doubt that it has bad viewing angles.

That would be bad because it doesn't look like this with the eye. The camera vastly exaggerates the issue. It looks almost perfect with naked eye because your eye can only look at about 7 degrees at once and adjusts white point.

That's why you never decide on picture quality by a youtube video or anything captured with a camera. And that's why I included IPS monitor as control.

I have said all I wanted to do. If you're still stuck on your thinking, I can't do much. Let's just agree to disagree. Goodbye!

I'm not commenting on your IPS comparison because we'll have to verify that photos or being taken from precise angles to match the difference in sizes of the displays, as otherwise the test won't be apples to apples.

You're constantly shifting your goalposts. Earlier you said what I'm saying is happening is because I have a garbage VA panel. Now you can see it on yours too, and it's pretty drastic, as expected. Q.E.D. All VA panels will exhibit this, except the ones with wide angle filters.

Whatever you're saying after that is simply to distract from the fact that it's happening, and no, the drastic drop in light from one edge to the other can't be explained by the effectively small distance difference. Whether your eyes see the difference or not, that is subjective, as I have been saying from the start.

I can show you image of my OLED with the same test, and that will clearly show that the minor change in distance isn't what's causing the pretty noticeable drop, but I'm sure you'll shift the goalposts again.

Obviously, because it doesn't suit your narrative. The brightness difference will always be there no matter the panel type because of light intensity degradation by distance(it's quadratic). The other corner is further away and hence will be dimmer on OLED, IPS and VA.

It doesn't look any worse than my IPS monitor and way better than the shots you shared. Oh, and you can check my monitor's review at rtings if you doubt that it has bad viewing angles.

That would be bad because it doesn't look like this with the eye. The camera vastly exaggerates the issue. It looks almost perfect with naked eye because your eye can only look at about 7 degrees at once and adjusts white point.

That's why you never decide on picture quality by a youtube video or anything captured with a camera. And that's why I included IPS monitor as control.


I have said all I wanted to do. If you're still stuck on your thinking, I can't do much. Let's just agree to disagree. Goodbye!

Oh well, let's just settle it once and for all. No, it doesn't happen on TVs with good viewing angles. On OLEDs, barely anything. No noticeable gradation in brightness.

Note: the color shift on the right is present in both images and it's because of the reflection from the colored pillar on that side of the TV throwing its hue on that side of the TV.

White should actually do better than this due to no contrast in the image while this shows contrast loss on the left. But surely, will do tomorrow and tag you. Currently the TV is on IPL duty.

White should actually do better than the blue cold drink shot you posted. Let's see it then. Now that you know it won't do better, you're backing out only.

The basic tenet of any discussion is to say A and then either prove or disprove. You have constantly countered my A. Called what I'm seeing the case of garbage VA panel. Claimed that a white screen from 45° on the TV will do even better than the blue cold drink shot.

Show it then. Let's see it.

Then we'll have conclusive proof as to how good are the viewing angles and who's spreading misinformation.

 

[lightgamer]

Oh well, let's just settle it once and for all. No, it doesn't happen on TVs with good viewing angles. On OLEDs, barely anything. No noticeable gradation in brightness.

Note: the color shift on the right is present in both images and it's because of the reflection from the colored pillar on that side of the TV throwing its hue on that side of the TV.

If that looks like uniform panel to you, I have no further arguments. The panel is clearly dimmer in the middle with clear brightness on top and bottom. And both of your angles are not equal. Plus even from edges to middle I see clear brightness loss.

And sorry, I won't entertain your requests and flood this thread with more of this discussion. I never said that VA looks perfect. I have given proof that 45 degree looks fine for regular content. And I have given conclusive proof that you do have a much worse VA panel than mine.

Please, for the love of God don't post more off topic post on this thread. I concede and you won. Please take this victory and your awesome OLED and be happy.

 

[Marakk]

If that looks like uniform panel to you, I have no further arguments. The panel is clearly dimmer in the middle with clear brightness on top and bottom. And both of your angles are not equal. Plus even from edges to middle I see clear brightness loss.

And sorry, I won't entertain your requests and flood this thread with more of this discussion. I never said that VA looks perfect. I have given proof that 45 degree looks fine for regular content. And I have given conclusive proof that you do have a much worse VA panel than mine.

Please, for the love of God don't post more off topic post on this thread. I concede and you won. Please take this victory and your awesome OLED and be happy.

Remember when you wrote this to justify what you said is happening because of garbage VA panel but then happened on yours too:

"As promised, here are some shots. Remember, a phone camera (especially my OnePlus) has much lower dynamic range than human eye, so the difference is vastly exaggerated in these photos. I've included my monitor (LG 27UK650) which has almost perfect viewing angles as a control as well. Again, the TV looks much more even in real life than the photos due to how the camera processes"

Now I didn't nitpick because it's futile, but you don't need a dynamic range of anything more than 2-3 shots to capture 20% brightness loss. Even one stop would suffice actually. Anyway, wouldn't that apply to my camera too?

Images do reveal uniformity issues more, but for a better comparison here's the image of your VA panel next to the OLED. Your sharp eyes see brightness drop in OLED, but VA panel is fine. It's the camera at fault.

Again, prospective buyers should take subjective opinions for what they are.. subjective. Trust Rtings over any subjective opinion.

If there's any misinformation in this thread, it's that a VA panel is fine for viewing at 45°. It's not. Some might not notice it. That's another topic. Panel itself suffers greatly in every measure there, color, brightness and gamma.

 

[Marakk]

My new TV will be placed at exactly the same location as the current LG Plasma 42" TV (see attached pic).

If I decide to buy Toshiba U79, do you think I may notice a loss of contrast and color while sitting on my left/right side chairs that are approx 7 feet away from the TV?

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Coming back to answer this with proof, here's the difference you can expect compared to OLED or even your plasma, which usually had good viewing angles, just like OLED. See the brightness drop comparatively on the VA panel on the top compared to OLED below? This is not even from the side per se, just with the head at the edge of the TV.

Now if you're actually watching from 30-40° off axis, it's going to be even worse. Will you notice? Can't say. Will it be bad? Absolutely.

Don't let anyone misguide you with their subjective opinions. Trust Rtings. Go and check their review of H8G on YouTube. Switch between 0° and 30°. You'll see the difference. 45°? Even worse. Practically unwatchable if you care about PQ and can spot issues.

 

[etios]

Guys just report the off-topic posts, moderators do not take action unless your report posts.

 

[Tech enthu]

So much discussion is fruitless, if any other better option is available under 1lakh, pls mention. Everything is good or bad on it's price point only. One can't compare performance of BMW with Swift.

 

[Marakk]

So much discussion is fruitless, if any other better option is available under 1lakh, pls mention. Everything is good or bad on it's price point only. One can't compare performance of BMW with Swift.

Exaggerated claims should nonetheless still be countered so that other members can informed decisions. Now anyone in doubt has a better idea, instead of a subjective opinion.

 

[shainz]

Any updates on U8080

 

[avtar2008]

This thread need a lot of cleanup. Mods should checkin here.

 

[sound and music]

Since I posted my query regarding viewing angle loss, let me say that I gained a lot of information about it from posts by lightgamer and Marakk. Both of them provided valuable insights (and pics) to back their stance that I was not aware of.

All in all, I benefited from the discussion here as it helped me to understand the technical intricacies of different types of TV panels as well as their advantages/limitations, notwithstanding certain comments that were avoidable.

As we say in Punjabi: Thodi thand pao paaji (cool down a bit)

 

[Marakk]

Since I posted my query regarding viewing angle loss, let me say that I gained a lot of information about it from posts by lightgamer and Marakk. Both of them provided valuable insights (and pics) to back their stance that I was not aware of.

All in all, I benefited from the discussion here as it helped me to understand the technical intricacies of different types of TV panels as well as their advantages/limitations, notwithstanding certain comments that were avoidable.

As we say in Punjabi: Thodi thand pao paaji (cool down a bit)

Paaji, tussi taan dil jit lita. (You've won hearts)