Vinyl I am listening to...

ERS is a good subject for investigation. Logically with tapes, all the recordings and mixing must have done in proper stereo. There's no need for ERS release. Is it that they were keeping the prevalent mono players in mind! We get mono film records even in early eighties when stereo was the norm. Even low budget regional basic albums were pressed stereo. While movies like Manzil Manzil etc were pressed mono. Again in 1970 we get "Jal bin machhli..." in proper stereo pressing which means technology was available in those days.

This is really a curious case...

Regards
Bhaskar
 
prem said:
No. I don't think it would have been like that. If you notice it is usually the big films like Bobby, Daag, Yaadon Ki Baarat, etc which were released in ERS. For these producers, the Lps would have been the official music release.
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So these were big banners/producers and budget was not a problem to record in stereo and making stereo LPs. So lack of equipments and means would not be the reason. Other reasoning I could think of is since recording mono was tradition for decades they carried on recording mono and when 'new technology' of electronic reprocessing came they tried it as marketing or trying new things without realising the effects on sound quality as there was no reference.
 
I think so Hiten. Guys like Raj Kapoor, Nasir Hussain, Dev Anand were the big producers then. So money would not have been an issue. Maybe they saw it as a marketing gimmick. I think Mera Naam Joker was the first Hindi soundtrack to use ERS
 
But how to explain the fact that till 1975's Sholay so many ERS release and not a single Stereo release apart from "Jal bin...". Meanwhile Indian Classical records and basic albums were released in stereo. Persons like Raj Kapoor, Nasir Hussain had excellent understanding of music. Did it have anything to do with film transfer of music? Prem should be able to enlighten.

Regards
Bhaskar
 
Hum Kisi Se Kam Nahin was released in 1977 and had one side in STEREO and other in MONO.

I guess the simple reason many big producers didn't go for STEREO recordings was there were no movie theaters which could playback STEREO.

Advent of Sholay in 1975 started the trend of Stereophonic sound reproduction in movie theaters. Still more or less it did not catch up.

If you look at the releases closely in let 70s and early 80s, STEREO sound was present in action movies only. Be it Sholay, Shalimar, Shaan or Karz.

Producers of that genres were experimenting with STEREO. But makers of RomComs or social kind of movies were not seeing any benefit in STEREO, specially when there were not many theaters with STEREO playback facility.

We must also keep in mind that in the era of 70s, most of the households didn't have very updated systems for such playback too. Many families had old valve radioes or simple ceramic turntables.

With the start of 80s, market was flooded with many Japanese mini hi-fi's and
mini - components systems which were significantly cheaper to own. That may have shaped the market a lot.

Classical albums were recorded to sell music whereas the OST sales was part of the film making, it was definitely given less budget and preference.
 
Bhaskarcan, I tend to agree with Frend2001. First the film master was made. Theatres only played mono.
 
Does anyone know for certain if masters of old Indian music, Bollywood or otherwise, do exist or not? And in what condition, if they do.
Forgive the OT, but I thought it would be appropriate here
 
In the beginning of CD era in India, most hit movies were made in ACDs by EMI in AAD format and that too we get to see the Made in UK and Made in USA ACDs.

So we can assume either LPs were used or R2R masters were there in Abbey Road or so for mastering and transferring. And there is a possibility of stereo tracks available in R2R masters. :licklips:

As a support, if you see the lossless version (@ Rs. 50) available in saregama.com website are of pretty good quality. Sony DADC has done a magic in bringing oldies in very good quality. They may have done it from Masters also. Even Dil Padosi Hain Sony DADC version quality is much better than it's elder siblings (Made in UK or Made in India versions).

Regards,
Sourav
 
I stand corrected. I had mentioned the other day that Jal Bin Machhli was in EPS. I just checked my copy. It is indeed pure stereo. Thanks to all these discussions. Here are the snaps of the front and back.

Jal Bin Machhli_front_1.jpg

Jal Bin Machhli_back_2.jpg
 
bhaskarcan said:
But how to explain the fact that till 1975's Sholay so many ERS release and not a single Stereo release apart from "Jal bin...". Meanwhile Indian Classical records and basic albums were released in stereo. Persons like Raj Kapoor, Nasir Hussain had excellent understanding of music. Did it have anything to do with film transfer of music? Prem should be able to enlighten.

Regards
Bhaskar
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recording, mixing and cutting vinyl in stereo for popular music with orchestration may not be easy. Classical music having less instruments would have been easy I guess. ERS on other hand can be done with filters circuits. Here are some links with pictures of artists recording for song
Mohd. Rafi
Geeta Dutt
Talat Mehmood
This may give some idea.
 
V. Shantaram was a rare breed of movie maker, He gladly adapted new technology. If you see his movies Innovation in his direction is noticeable. So stereo would have been very much to his liking.
 
prem said:
Lovely pictures, Hiten
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I like the vintage stuff. :)
Talat Mehmood, Geeta Dutt, Asha Bhosale, Suman Kalyanpur, Kishore Kumar few of my favourite. I guess you already must be having Talat saab's "In blue Mood" and "Love songs of Talal Mehmood". Great voice even if all songs may not be liked. One can just listen to these from start to finish.
 
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Please see 10th picture of Talat saab's link. There is some kind of console. Probably mixing on the spot with four inputs. So recording in stereo would not have been a problem only proper studio arrangements, mixing and cutting on lathe would require some effort.
 
Listening to

Hum Tum Dono Jab Mil Jayenge | Ek Duuje Ke Liye :)

Sample recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH1LVw3XV_M

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