Sony launches a new Blu-ray player at Rs. 9,999/-

[gobble]

First of all, by pointing out the sins of another, one cannot absolve themselves of sin. Secondly and more importantly, you are confusing the issue of software piracy, with that of the entire 'intellectual property' rights laws. As a matter of fact, you are even confusing it with, 'patent' and 'trademark' laws. Your arguements, as genuine as they may be, have nothing to do with the 'software piracy' issue being discussed here. If I were to release pirated copies of a book you wrote, it would have nothing to do with our ancestors or that of the Europeans. Also, as stated by me earlier, the provisions governing the laws of piracy may be debatable, but the ethics and morality of piracy is not. Piracy in it's simplest form is nothing but stealing. The general Indian's apathy towards piracy and pirated goods, or for that matter even stolen physical goods, is nothing but a reflection of the corrupt and moral less society that we have become. A society where, Me & Mine is all that is left and You & Yours can take a hike.

Piracy/stealing are ethical & moral issues, which each one has to decide for themselves. Thus, arguing this, is pointless and almost impossible without getting personal and so better judgement suggests that we not continue this here. In any case, as far as I know, promoting of piracy is against the 'rules' of this forum and thus is not a subject open for debate here.

Oh! I did not know I was so immoral and corrupt!! Thanks for pointing that out to me.!

Now were you talking about software specifically? It wasn't clear in your post. When did this specific turn happen?

Now that you have seen through my clever ploy of the pot calling the kettle black and justifying Piracy, I have nowhere to hide!! OMG!! I am exposed!! hyeah:

Tip: Instead of reading too much into other peoples posts it may be more worthwhile to read books. I usually go for those that challenge mainstream thinking

Cheers

 

[srinisundar]

PS: I'm only going to respond once in a few days as this is not a priority for me

You cannot resist for few hours ???

 

[harryanthony]

You cannot resist for few hours ???

i know.... i thought he just said that it was not his priority... gooble....way to go man !

 

[sanjay0864]

I am nowhere saying that piracy is right. But to say that piracy is theft is ridiculous. There are many things that are wrong or 'immoral' or 'unethical' in the world, are they all theft?? tax evasion, sand mining, unauthorised construction are all illegal and unethical, are they also theft? Let not your passion for this issue blind you to the facts!

To take what is not rightfully yours, is 'theft'. To knowingly buy something that is stolen, is also as good as 'stealing'. Thus, if you a buy a pirated DVD, it is exactly the same as 'theft'. These are the values that I grew up with and which I wish to pass on to my children. You, ofcourse are free to believe and support what you wish. As they say, "to each their own conscience".

To understand the issues involved in 'piracy' I'd strongly recommend you first understand the differences between the concepts of corporeal property and 'intellectual property', and the critical jurisprudential differences between these two. These things are not as cartoon-ishly straightforward as the RIAA, the MPAA and you believe.

You continue to confuse and mix the issue of video piracy with that of overall 'intellectual property' laws. The point of discussion here is not the intracacies concerning 'copyright' & 'trademark' laws, but rather the simple ethics or shall I say the lack of ethics, in taking what is not rightfully yours or something that you have not paid for, to the rightful owners.

If you want a demonstration of how every download and pirated DVD does not even come close to being the equivalent of a lost sale, have a look at this The Piracy Calculator @ Things Of Interest

One can argue, that if one were to steal a few thousand rupees from Mukesh Ambani, it would not have any real effect on his wealth or well being. Thus stealing from him, ought to be open game for one and all. The bottom line is, the definition of 'theft' cannot and is not, limited to only when it ecenomically effects the original owner. Thus, whether each sale of a pirated DVD is a lost sale to the original owners or not, is immaterial.

And oh yes, piracy funding terrorism, you've swallowed that chestnut as well? Well done :clapping: (or are you going to claim you didn't get that from the RIAA and MPAA and concluded that on the basis of your original research?). So I am guessing the pirated DVD sellers in Richie Street are all hand-in-glove with the al qaeda .

It's sad that one's ignorance can actually cloud the judgement of even the educated. The fact that almost 70% of all video piracy in India is sourced from the 'D Company' under 'Dawood Ibrahim', who is only the most wanted man in India, is a fact highlighted in reports by the IB (Intelligence Bureu of India), submitted to the Home Minister's and by the CIA to the Indian government. Also, in the report it is clearly stated that the funds from these 'piracy' operations are then used to fund the terorism in Kashmir and the rest of India. For the few of us, who might actually care, let me reiterate, that along with 'drug trafficking', 'video piracy' is one of the two largest sources of funds for terrorism against India and it's citizens.

 

[sanjay0864]

Now were you talking about software specifically? It wasn't clear in your post. When did this specific turn happen?

One would think that this was obvious from the fact, that this discussion is taking place in a forum dedicated to Audio/Video and more precisely, in a thread, in the Blu-ray DVD player sub-forum. If that is not obvious enough, then maybe the fact, that this discussion started from the statements made in the following post:

A friend of mine had trouble playing pirated DVDs on his Sony DVD player. In fact, the disc won't be read at all. Don't remember the model number though. So not sure how wise it is to buy a Sony BDP which can only play legitimate, region C BDs. Given that each disc costs about 1000/-, I am not sure how many one can afford. I am not promoting piracy or anything like that. It's just that sometimes you are forced to buy pirated discs when the legitimate disc either has not been launched or is heavily censored.

Thus, as far as I am concerned, it was always very clear in what context my posts were made and what 'piracy' was being referred to. It is only you, and a couple of other people, who keep wanting to steer the discussion towards trademark, copyright & intelectual property right laws.

 

[psychotropic]

piracy = theft is wrong, simply because intellectual property and corporeal property are not the same, they don't have the same characteristics and infringement of copyright (which is what piracy is, whether you like it or not) has very different contours from physical theft. (more below) This has nothing to do with conscience or subjectivity, it's factual!

piracy funds terrorism. This is pure propaganda by the RIAA and the MPAA. How on earth do you know the workings of the D company so well? You must not blindly believe everything the government tells you.

And lastly piracy cannot be separated from intellectual property laws! intellectual property laws are the laws under which piracy exists! without intellectual property laws there is no concept of piracy. unlike corporeal property where there is a concept of possession, there is no possession in intellectual property (one of the many reasons why your theft argument fails), and therefore the proprietary nature of IP is a creation of the law. The physical discs are not the property you're concerned with is it? Therefore for there to be any offence, the law has had to sort of manufacture the idea that the creation recorded on the physical media amounts to property. Therefore without IP law, there is no piracy.

So to say that I want to talk about piracy but I don't want to talk about intellectual property laws is ludicrous!

 

[sachin_k5]

Can somebody talk about this player's 2 channel audio capabilities ?

 

[kapvin]

Can somebody talk about this player's 2 channel audio capabilities ?

will do an a/b with a philips CDP 931 and revert over the next few days..

i guess that'll have to do till someone with a better source can do a review

 

[gobble]

Also, in the report it is clearly stated that the funds from these 'piracy' operations are then used to fund the terorism in Kashmir and the rest of India. For the few of us, who might actually care, let me reiterate, that along with 'drug trafficking', 'video piracy' is one of the two largest sources of funds for terrorism against India and it's citizens.

Maybe, but why would D finance Bollywood movies then pirate his own movies? what about Torrents? Does D earn bucks for every illegal Torrent downloaded ?

With Hawala yes I agree. About a decade back I once encountered an acquaintance who would rant about terrorism in India all the time. He was carrying a bag. when I inquired what it was he discreetly told me he was on an assignment converting "dollars" into rupees for his boss who otherwise ran a regular business. I reminded him that the next bomb blast at the railway station -that he could be caught in, may be sponsored by the profits of this transaction. He looked around and decided to slink away rather than debate it.

Anyways lets go back to Sony BDP and its merits now

Cheers

 

[gobble]

piracy = theft is wrong, simply because intellectual property and corporeal property are not the same, they don't have the same characteristics and infringement of copyright (which is what piracy is, whether you like it or not) has very different contours from physical theft. (more below) This has nothing to do with conscience or subjectivity, it's factual!

piracy funds terrorism. This is pure propaganda by the RIAA and the MPAA. How on earth do you know the workings of the D company so well? You must not blindly believe everything the government tells you.

And lastly piracy cannot be separated from intellectual property laws! intellectual property laws are the laws under which piracy exists! without intellectual property laws there is no concept of piracy. unlike corporeal property where there is a concept of possession, there is no possession in intellectual property (one of the many reasons why your theft argument fails), and therefore the proprietary nature of IP is a creation of the law. The physical discs are not the property you're concerned with is it? Therefore for there to be any offence, the law has had to sort of manufacture the idea that the creation recorded on the physical media amounts to property. Therefore without IP law, there is no piracy.

So to say that I want to talk about piracy but I don't want to talk about intellectual property laws is ludicrous!

Precisely what i meant when i said its more about politics than ethics!!

Now back to the BDP please? We have an OP anxious about his purchase

Cheers

 

[sachin_k5]

will do an a/b with a philips CDP 931 and revert over the next few days..

i guess that'll have to do till someone with a better source can do a review

If it can match this cdp then it will be a good source for less than 10K

 

[nandac]

i bought the sony 370 bluray player from a shop yesterday and the guy claimed that it was region free/multi region. is this true? anywhere i can find/buy a bluray disc from usa or europe in bangalore?

 

[sud98]

ask the shop owner for a money back, because chances are very high its not region free. Try a US region dvd or blu ray and find out.

 

[KonfuSed]

i bought the sony 370 bluray player from a shop yesterday and the guy claimed that it was region free/multi region. is this true? anywhere i can find/buy a bluray disc from usa or europe in bangalore?

Nope, it's region locked for C and it can also play All region or region free Blu-rays.

BTW, this might be region free for DVD playback and that's what probably the salesman trying to say or he is mis-interpreting it to be Blu-ray region free.

 

[svenkateshsmart]

i bought the sony 370 bluray player from a shop yesterday and the guy claimed that it was region free/multi region. is this true? anywhere i can find/buy a bluray disc from usa or europe in bangalore?

Hi,

I am not surprised if you are from Hyderabad. The same happened to my friend who had been to a sony showroom in HBD last week who called me from the showroom with all the excitement of getting a region-free BD player. I spoke to the showroom sales guy who confirmed that "it is sir" on a polite manner. I made my friend look behind the player, which confirmed that it had a symbol of globe containing the alphabet "C" and Region 5 (not sure).

So, the conclusion is that it is not a region-free player, but surprisingly mods are available for this player.

Cheers,

 

[spirovious]

If shopkeeper says that ,then open the box there & ask for Demo,then pay.

 

[Tracer29]

@Venkatesh:The blu ray players are not only region locked for Blu ray discs but also for DVD which is region 5 for india as per the new classification.So all blu ray players would be playing a specific region blu ray discs and DVD's.

 

[deba]

I wonder how many demo guys and a/v shop owners even know what Region Coding means......for them its all the same........

 

[nandac]

i am in bangalore - i returned the bd player (box was unopened) and now struggling to get my money back so that i can try ordering the panasonic bd60 off ebay easybuy etc.

 

[prash2k01]

pana bd60 you can get here only see sale by owner thread by forum member